General & Others Understand how Echiiro Oda uses BOUNTY

#1
Some fans claim bounty is a legitimate measure of somebody's strength. Other fans say it's just a measure of threat to the World Government, that's it. Both sides of the fandom in this case are right, but they're right in specific scenarios. You see Oda's usage of bounty is heavily relative on the context of which he uses the bounty in. Meaning in one case he can use bounty to compare the strength of characters, in another case it's there for a whole different reason, and then in some cases it simply doesn't matter. Let's take a look at some of these contexts to better explain how Oda tends to use bounty:

Luffy's initial bounties of 100 mil vs Zoro's intial bounty:

Luffy's initial bounties leading up to 100 mil, were used as the measure of his strength. When he got the 100 mil, it cemented him being stronger than one of the warlords of the seas, Crocodile. This was greatly emphasized in the Bellamy situation where bounty is used to measure Bellamy's strength with Luffy's. In this context, Oda was using Luffy's bounty to emphasize on his strength standing against Bellamy.

Compare that to Zoro's first bounty. Where it's not used for any comparison against anybody. It's not used to compare Luffy being above Zoro in strength, but simply as a measure of Zoro's threat to the World Government being high now. Reason being of course is that there was no difference in strength between Luffy & Zoro at that point (as they progressed pretty much in parallel to each other since their equal clash in Ennis Lobby).

So there are two different contexts being applied here by Oda.

Supernova Bounties:

Their bounties ranged from 108 mil to 315 mil. Yet none were used to highlight the person's strength being drastically higher than the others. They were never used to compare strengths. Instead they were used for infamy as a pirate. Or to see who the bigger "pirate" is. As when you see Shakki mentioning Kidd only having a higher bounty because of killing civilians. The strength measurement that is used here is simply surpassing the 100 mil barrier which all of the supernova did. Hence Oda never makes any strength comparison based on bounty between between them.

So in the context of the supernova's individual bounties, bounty isn't used for strength comparisons, but simply for accomplishments as pirates that they've done so far. A person at 108 mil could've been as strong or stronger than somebody at 200+ mil.


Yonko Commander Bounties:

Unlike the Supernova, the bounties for the commanders however are used for strength measurements. Each and everytime their bounty is mentioned it's used to emphasize their strength.

Jack- Introduction of 1 billion bounty was used to highlight his power standing in the one piece world.
Cracker - 800+ mil bounty was used to emphasize his power compared to Luffy's at 500 mil
Katakuri's - 1 billion+ bounty constantly emphasized at the start and during the fight to emphasize his individual prowess in the One Piece world.
Queen - Bounty is used to emphasize his individual strength in the one piece world to then emphasize how big of a feat it is for Big Mom to man handle somebody like him.

Where as let's say somebody like Smoothie, doesn't get her bounty used to emphasize her strength (this is not to say her bounty doesn't indicate her strength ranking within the BM pirates, it more than likely does, as is the case with rest of the crews).

So in the case of these 4 specifically, the context of bounty is strength measurement by Oda to let us know where these commanders stand in the power rankings of the One Piece world. To then use these characters to highlight the strength of the opponents that either beat them or were fighting on par with them.

(I've already done mega posts regarding YC bounties, so won't go into much detail here)


On a side note, I think bounties will probably be the main measurement of powerlevel by Oda when it comes to the Yonko Commanders as there are simply too many of them for Oda to individually hype up or give feats to. It's more than likely going to be very accurate since all of them have been on the seas for decade+ now and should be at their peak, thus giving guys like Sakazuki/Kong an appropriate understanding of where they stand in prowess. (Excluding the BB pirates)




Yonko Bounties:

The context of bounties here is about accomplishments as a pirate. The one who has the highest bounty has the highest accomplishments. Kaido being the most active has the higher accomplishments than Big Mom who due to her longer reign as higher accomplishments than Shanks who has significantly higher accomplishments than Blackbeard. It's akin to the usage of bounty with the supernovas, where the bounties compared to each other are simply about their accomplishments.

The second context is the perception of threat for the Marines. Marines view Kaido as the most dangerous, and Blackbeard as the least dangerous. With Shanks being of lesser danger than Big Mom & Kaido.




Conclusion:

When we talk about bounty, let's make sure we keep the context of the bounty. When Oda uses bounty to highlight Jack's power standing one piece world. Don't use Nico Robin's 79 million to dismiss it. The mangaka's purpose for them is completely different. You also then can't say "Well guess that means Hawkins >>>> Urouge pre-TS", because Oda doesn't make a comparison of strength between the supernovas using their bounties.

Oda isn't just throwing out bounties for the sake of it, each time he uses bounty it is within a certain context. It's up to the fan to make sure they stick within the context in which Oda is using the bounty. And the context is usually fairly easy to understand, because Oda tends to always point out the usage of bounty. Like with Nico Robin her getting it due to the danger of being able to read the ancient language. Or with the YCs mentioning their bounties to emphasize their strength each time. Where as for the other characters he doesn't do that. And when he doesn't do that, you then have an argument that the character's bounty doesn't represent their strength.

So bounties aren't bullshit, they have a crucial role for Oda to express different things regarding different characters, whether it's a measure of strength or whether it's simply showcasing the person's accomplishments as a pirate. More often than not it simply is about accomplishments rather than strength.



My posting skills have degraded but hopefully that was fairly coherent and easy to understand. Share your opinions and such.
 

KiriNigiri

The Road To Harmony
#2
It's also important to note when someone's bounty is reveal, that tells us a lot. For example, the Emperor's bounties were first revealed in a meeting, and was mostly exposition pieces to go along with the Xebec story. This is why Oda will sometimes reiterate a bounty, such as Linlin's during the banquet. The first time was informational, the second time was hyping up her notoriety.

In the case of the Strawhats, a bounty is more like a reward rather than a measure of strength. Luffy was stronger than all of his East Blue opponents at the beginning of the story, but he wasn't issued a bounty until he had beaten them all.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#4
When Crocodile’s bounty was revealed to be 80 million, Oda stated in an interview that Crocodile’s bounty could’ve gone up to 160 million if the World Government had known what he was doing to Alabasta (dance powder and such)

Meaning Crocodile’s bounty would’ve literally doubled simply on the basis of his actions and not his strength.
 
#5
When Crocodile’s bounty was revealed to be 80 million, Oda stated in an interview that Crocodile’s bounty could’ve gone up to 160 million if the World Government had known what he was doing to Alabasta (dance powder and such)

Meaning Crocodile’s bounty would’ve literally doubled simply on the basis of his actions and not his strength.
You are correct. In crocodile's case it would've been his accomplishment of bringing up the Baroque Workers. Which is already something I addressed in the quote below:

whether it's a measure of strength or whether it's simply showcasing the person's accomplishments as a pirate. More often than not it simply is about accomplishments rather than strength.
Where as in the case of the Strawhats for example as Oda explains:
"O: Yes yes, that totally happens. After the Dressrosa incident, all the people involved with the Straw Hat Crew got a flat 50 million increase. The crew members’ bounties often increase with their captain. This is because it is actually fairly difficult to appraise the strength of each individual person and assign a money value to them."

The context here is the Marines are assuming that the Strawhats who didn't take part atleast grew in strength that warranted a 50 mil increase.

But yea great example of why context is so important to bounty.
 
#6
Bounties are just Hype Tool to be used at certain times

For example:

Luffy's first Bounty was 30 Million which for Oda was a good starting Figure

Then he wanted to Introduce a Villain who needs to have much higher Bounty to hype him but not so much because Luffy will get higher Bounty after he beats him, that's why he gave Crocodile 80 Million Bounty

After Alabasta, Luffy's Bounty became 100 Million but guess what Oda did at the same exact time of this Bounty reveal?
He introduced Doflamingo & Kuma with much much higher Bounties (At that time it was Huge Huge Hype), why would he make Two Shichibukai so far from Crocodile who was among them? It's because Doffy & Kuma's Hype needs to stay for very long time because their Role in the Story is later, that's why he gave them Bounties around 300, this way, he have big room to introduce many bounties without dehyping those two (At least until he uses them)

However he also gave us Bounty of Rockstar from Shanks Pirates, why? Because he was talking to Strongest Man WB & Rockstar's Bounty was 96 Million which is basically same as Luffy's & guess what he said? He hyped himself & asked WB Pirates if they heard of him & they said "No, never", all of this was to tell us that 100 Million Bounty is nothing in the face of Top Tier Pirate Crews & NW Standards, this way Oda gets to hype New World & keep us excited for rest of Story & New Pirates & indirectly tell us that Luffy is still far from over

However, after Oda dealt with Kuma, Moriah & Doffy who had around 300 Million Bounty, he can now use Higher Bounties to keep the excitement for next villains & that's why we got 1 Billion Jack & Katakuri & other commanders ... etc

In general, Bounties do have an explanation in OP Lore, because obviously Oda needs to keep his Story Elements logical, but it doesn't change the fact that Bounties are a Tool for Hype & to keep readers excited for more, it totally depends on the timing, that's why sometimes he reveal Bounties & many times he doesn't & sometimes he doesn't care about the Value at all because it's not needed.
(For example, Hancock was an Ally & not an Enemy so he gave her 80 Million Bounty because he doesn't need to Hype her, since they aren't gonna fight her)

This is also why he never revealed Bounty of Mihawk, Shanks, Dragon ... etc even though they are among first introduced Characters, it's because these are Endgame Material & their Bounties were never needed & he didn't want to limit himself.
(For example if he introduced Shanks with 2 Billion Bounty, he will be stuck at introducing rest of characters with Bounties less than 1 Billion & this will limit his options to hype Characters)
 
#7
The good old days when some people said "Katakuri's bounty shows that he is stronger than Kaido's strongest subordinate Jack" then they changed their mind when they found out that Jack is not Kaido's strongest subordinate and King and Queen have higher bounties than Katakuri :wellwell: now bounties mean nothing huh
 
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#8
Some fans claim bounty is a legitimate measure of somebody's strength. Other fans say it's just a measure of threat to the World Government, that's it. Both sides of the fandom in this case are right, but they're right in specific scenarios. You see Oda's usage of bounty is heavily relative on the context of which he uses the bounty in. Meaning in one case he can use bounty to compare the strength of characters, in another case it's there for a whole different reason, and then in some cases it simply doesn't matter. Let's take a look at some of these contexts to better explain how Oda tends to use bounty:

Luffy's initial bounties of 100 mil vs Zoro's intial bounty:

Luffy's initial bounties leading up to 100 mil, were used as the measure of his strength. When he got the 100 mil, it cemented him being stronger than one of the warlords of the seas, Crocodile. This was greatly emphasized in the Bellamy situation where bounty is used to measure Bellamy's strength with Luffy's. In this context, Oda was using Luffy's bounty to emphasize on his strength standing against Bellamy.

Compare that to Zoro's first bounty. Where it's not used for any comparison against anybody. It's not used to compare Luffy being above Zoro in strength, but simply as a measure of Zoro's threat to the World Government being high now. Reason being of course is that there was no difference in strength between Luffy & Zoro at that point (as they progressed pretty much in parallel to each other since their equal clash in Ennis Lobby).

So there are two different contexts being applied here by Oda.

Supernova Bounties:

Their bounties ranged from 108 mil to 315 mil. Yet none were used to highlight the person's strength being drastically higher than the others. They were never used to compare strengths. Instead they were used for infamy as a pirate. Or to see who the bigger "pirate" is. As when you see Shakki mentioning Kidd only having a higher bounty because of killing civilians. The strength measurement that is used here is simply surpassing the 100 mil barrier which all of the supernova did. Hence Oda never makes any strength comparison based on bounty between between them.

So in the context of the supernova's individual bounties, bounty isn't used for strength comparisons, but simply for accomplishments as pirates that they've done so far. A person at 108 mil could've been as strong or stronger than somebody at 200+ mil.


Yonko Commander Bounties:

Unlike the Supernova, the bounties for the commanders however are used for strength measurements. Each and everytime their bounty is mentioned it's used to emphasize their strength.

Jack- Introduction of 1 billion bounty was used to highlight his power standing in the one piece world.
Cracker - 800+ mil bounty was used to emphasize his power compared to Luffy's at 500 mil
Katakuri's - 1 billion+ bounty constantly emphasized at the start and during the fight to emphasize his individual prowess in the One Piece world.
Queen - Bounty is used to emphasize his individual strength in the one piece world to then emphasize how big of a feat it is for Big Mom to man handle somebody like him.

Where as let's say somebody like Smoothie, doesn't get her bounty used to emphasize her strength (this is not to say her bounty doesn't indicate her strength ranking within the BM pirates, it more than likely does, as is the case with rest of the crews).

So in the case of these 4 specifically, the context of bounty is strength measurement by Oda to let us know where these commanders stand in the power rankings of the One Piece world. To then use these characters to highlight the strength of the opponents that either beat them or were fighting on par with them.

(I've already done mega posts regarding YC bounties, so won't go into much detail here)


On a side note, I think bounties will probably be the main measurement of powerlevel by Oda when it comes to the Yonko Commanders as there are simply too many of them for Oda to individually hype up or give feats to. It's more than likely going to be very accurate since all of them have been on the seas for decade+ now and should be at their peak, thus giving guys like Sakazuki/Kong an appropriate understanding of where they stand in prowess. (Excluding the BB pirates)




Yonko Bounties:

The context of bounties here is about accomplishments as a pirate. The one who has the highest bounty has the highest accomplishments. Kaido being the most active has the higher accomplishments than Big Mom who due to her longer reign as higher accomplishments than Shanks who has significantly higher accomplishments than Blackbeard. It's akin to the usage of bounty with the supernovas, where the bounties compared to each other are simply about their accomplishments.

The second context is the perception of threat for the Marines. Marines view Kaido as the most dangerous, and Blackbeard as the least dangerous. With Shanks being of lesser danger than Big Mom & Kaido.




Conclusion:

When we talk about the bounty, let's make sure we keep the context of the bounty. When Oda uses bounty to highlight Jack's power standing one piece world. Don't use Nico Robin's 79 million to dismiss it. The mangaka's purpose for them is completely different. You also then can't say "Well guess that means Hawkins >>>> Urouge pre-TS", because Oda doesn't make a comparison of strength between the supernovas using their bounties.

Oda isn't just throwing out bounties for the sake of it, each time he uses bounty it is within a certain context. It's up to the fan to make sure they stick within the context in which Oda is using the bounty. And the context is usually fairly easy to understand because Oda tends to always point out the usage of bounty. Like with Nico Robin her getting it due to the danger of being able to read the ancient language. Or with the YCs mentioning their bounties to emphasize their strength each time. Whereas for the other characters he doesn't do that. And when he doesn't do that, you then have an argument that the character's bounty doesn't represent their strength.

So bounties aren't bullshit, they have a crucial role for Oda to express different things regarding different characters, whether it's a measure of strength or whether it's simply showcasing the person's accomplishments as a pirate. More often than not it simply is about accomplishments rather than strength.



My posting skills have degraded but hopefully that was fairly coherent and easy to understand. Share your opinions and such.
This half-true its not about strength but accomplishment Kaido has the highest bounty because he constantly attacked the yonko and marines alone that makes him the most dangerous one that doesn't make or indicate Kaido is stronger than BM or Shanks in both fights both Emperor were fine

Bounties are a sum of your previous actions the more active you're the higher bounty you get for example if Luffy simply traveled around then his bounty would never even past 500 Mio so easily bounty just shows how active a pirate is looking Oda didn't even introduce WBP back in MF or now King or flying six bounty
Because the fandom is focusing too much on it remember the Dragon-hype just because Dragon got a higher bounty than WB or maybe Roger doesn't make Dragon any stronger he is just more active

strength is of course a part of it if you're weak you can't accomplish those feats but the measure is your "action" if Luffy would slaughter tons of people his bounty would also raise

another example is Caribou he got a 210 Mio bounty while Killer only have 200 Mio
that doesn't make Caribou Killer-level not even in the slightest
This just makes Caribou for the moment more dangerous to the WG because his past actions proved 10 Mio more dangerous than Killers but Killers individual strength is far beyond Caribous

The same with Doflamingo he got a Shichibukai with 340 Mio so his actions afterwards arent count the same with Jinbe once he was a normal pirate his bounty jumped to 438 Mio due aligning with BM and some other actions

If you for example start reading void century then your instant more dangerous than some pirates that travel for 20 years and get the higher bounty like in Robins
 
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