Character Discussion What are Nami and Nojiko?

Dan D. Manne

Dan D. Manne

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Upon rewatching One Piece, I have noticed a weird pattern in Bell-Mere's behaviour regarding Nami and Nojiko:
- She deserted the Marines immediately upon finding them. In other words, there's something about their origin or the battlefield itself that goes directly against Bell-Mere's allegiance to Marine justice?
- She adamantly refused to give them away to a government affiliated institution, instead raising them herself. Does she distrust the World Government as a whole, or only when it comes to those two?
- Despite caring too much about her daughters to ever claim they are not family, she deliberately made sure they don't legally exist in a population census. Why is their existence something to be concealed?

In retrospect, this situation almost screams "Native Hunting Competition survivors". Do you think Oda intended Government sanctioned events like that since the very conception of One Piece, and Nami and Nojiko were supposed to be victims and Bell-Mere – a remorseful unwilling accomplice?
 
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OykotsTreasure

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My personal bet is that Nami has a connection to the Ancient Weapon Uranos. Much like how Shirahoshi is connected to Poseidon, and Momo is connected to Pluton. I think it's possible that the Oykot Kingdom was were Uranos was hidden, and the Government only got their hands on it when they attacked Nami's home island. That would kind of make sense, since the World Government had 800 years to try and remake the Mother Flame. But, really only pushed for that research to make any advancements fairly recently. I think Imu didn't really need the Mother Flame, before they got ahold of Uranos, and then learned they needed to get a power source. So, they pushed Vegapunk's research forward after they got the Weapon. Which may explain why this all took so long to finally come to a head, the Government didn't even FIND the Weapon until 20 years ago. (Which...may not quite fit the timeline, I'll admit. Vegapunk started working for the World Government about 24 years ago. So, at the very least, finally finding Uranos probably can't be the original reason why the Government recruited Vegapunk in the first place.)

And yeah, "Native Hunting" seems like a pretty likely side effect of all that. That would cover their tracks pretty well. Although, we are told it was pirates who did the attacking. That could just be a cover story, or maybe pirates really were the ones who attacked first, then they found something on the island (like a Ancient Weapon), and THEN the Government swooped in and took the island's treasure for itself.

Some people think they could also be part of the Nerona Family, related to Imu. And that's not impossible. But, I don't really think so myself. There's nothing really to point to that. But, it's a interesting idea, to keep in the back of your head.

Interestingly though, I do feel like it's notable that Imu doesn't really seem all that interested in Nami or Nojiko. Vivi and Luffy and Blackbeard have Imu's attention, but not Nami. So...it's hard to say what that means. Maybe Nami really isn't that important, or maybe Oda's plans changed. Or maybe keeping Nami a secret all this time just worked REALLY well. Hard to say. But, Imu's disinterest in Nami may be important, oddly enough.

We DO know that Oda was originally going to make a movie about Nami's origins. But, plans changed and they switched to what became Strong World. So, Oda does (or at least used to have) a plan for Nami in mind.

I am betting that Nami will end up getting something revealed about her by the end of the story. And, since every Strawhat seems to be related to someone important in history, chances are Nami is related to someone important in the past, too. It's just a matter of time and Oda getting around to it.
 
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Rumble

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ShinichiMugi said:
Probably Oda has not planned this in advance,but he can easily retcon this,without causing any damage to the story. It would be cool if these are really Nami's origin,because at least it would be something interesting and new about a Strawhat!
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I can't remember which it was replaced with but Oda's revealed they scrapped plans for a movie about Nami's origin.
 
ShinichiMugi

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Rumble said:
I can't remember which it was replaced with but Oda's revealed they scrapped plans for a movie about Nami's origin.
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Yes it was the original screenplay of the Strong World movie. And apparently the reason it was scrapped its because it was too dark. I wonder what story did Oda planned at the time,and if he plans to put it in the manga at some point
 
Moewu

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OykotsTreasure said:
My personal bet is that Nami has a connection to the Ancient Weapon Uranos. Much like how Shirahoshi is connected to Poseidon, and Momo is connected to Pluton. I think it's possible that the Oykot Kingdom was were Uranos was hidden, and the Government only got their hands on it when they attacked Nami's home island. That would kind of make sense, since the World Government had 800 years to try and remake the Mother Flame. But, really only pushed for that research to make any advancements fairly recently. I think Imu didn't really need the Mother Flame, before they got ahold of Uranos, and then learned they needed to get a power source. So, they pushed Vegapunk's research forward after they got the Weapon. Which may explain why this all took so long to finally come to a head, the Government didn't even FIND the Weapon until 20 years ago. (Which...may not quite fit the timeline, I'll admit. Vegapunk started working for the World Government about 24 years ago. So, at the very least, finally finding Uranos probably can't be the original reason why the Government recruited Vegapunk in the first place.)

And yeah, "Native Hunting" seems like a pretty likely side effect of all that. That would cover their tracks pretty well. Although, we are told it was pirates who did the attacking. That could just be a cover story, or maybe pirates really were the ones who attacked first, then they found something on the island (like a Ancient Weapon), and THEN the Government swooped in and took the island's treasure for itself.

Some people think they could also be part of the Nerona Family, related to Imu. And that's not impossible. But, I don't really think so myself. There's nothing really to point to that. But, it's a interesting idea, to keep in the back of your head.

Interestingly though, I do feel like it's notable that Imu doesn't really seem all that interested in Nami or Nojiko. Vivi and Luffy and Blackbeard have Imu's attention, but not Nami. So...it's hard to say what that means. Maybe Nami really isn't that important, or maybe Oda's plans changed. Or maybe keeping Nami a secret all this time just worked REALLY well. Hard to say. But, Imu's disinterest in Nami may be important, oddly enough.

We DO know that Oda was originally going to make a movie about Nami's origins. But, plans changed and they switched to what became Strong World. So, Oda does (or at least used to have) a plan for Nami in mind.

I am betting that Nami will end up getting something revealed about her by the end of the story. And, since every Strawhat seems to be related to someone important in history, chances are Nami is related to someone important in the past, too. It's just a matter of time and Oda getting around to it.
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Strong World was also supposed to be named The Crystal Ship’s Log, but was changed. I wonder if that name has anything to do with Nami's origin story. Or atleast could be a hint of some sort.

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Peppercat

Peppercat

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Dan D. Manne said:
Upon rewatching One Piece, I have noticed a weird pattern in Bell-Mere's behaviour regarding Nami and Nojiko:
- She deserted the Marines immediately upon finding them. In other words, there's something about their origin or the battlefield itself that goes directly against Bell-Mere's allegiance to Marine justice?
- She adamantly refused to give them away to a government affiliated institution, instead raising them herself. Does she distrust the World Government as a whole, or only when it comes to those two?
- Despite caring too much about her daughters to ever claim they are not family, she deliberately made sure they don't legally exist in a population census. Why is their existence something to be concealed?

In retrospect, this situation almost screams "Native Hunting Competition survivors". Do you think Oda intended Government sanctioned events like that since the very conception of One Piece, and Nami and Nojiko were supposed to be victims and Bell-Mere – a remorseful unwilling accomplice?
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This will always be weird to me.



Add in something people like to overlook:
Outside of Bell-Mere, we know nothing about her.
Not her last name in a story where your bloodline and family seems to matter for many. We had Sanji and his last name leading to the Vinsmoke and changed his entire character.
We had Shanks and his ties to the Figarlands also changing the story forever.
Rocks ended up telling us about the Davey Clab.

I even add one ontop, we know nothing about her identity as Nami isn't even her real name.
We know she was a baby when found and saved but everything is a blank about her.

Sure you can say her family is Bell-mere and Nojiko and maybe that's all that matters but it's just a fact that her real name and blood family are completely unknown.
 
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