Questions & Mysteries What is the point of coa with advanved coc?
Well, COC is the most feared form of Haki so it's only logical it makes the user more powerful than the other two versions. However, advCOC as we currently know it isn't necessarily superior to advCOA—because it's not actually an advanced form of COC. Someone's COA can be stronger than someone else's COC coating depending upon who the users being compared are. Garp, for example, would probably demolish Yamato's COC attacks with his COA. Rayleigh fought Kizaru, a top-tier, without having to use COC while Zoro and Luffy can't quite operate at that level without COC.
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Spitting headcannon are we?
Currently ACoC is an actually advanced form of CoC just like Future Sight is an advanced form of Observation.
Until we saw someone's CoA overpowering CoC coating we can't assume things like that.
Who says Garp doesn't have CoC coating? Or Kizaru? Or that Rayleigh wasn't using against Kizaru?
Currently ACoC is an actually advanced form of CoC just like Future Sight is an advanced form of Observation.
Until we saw someone's CoA overpowering CoC coating we can't assume things like that.
Who says Garp doesn't have CoC coating? Or Kizaru? Or that Rayleigh wasn't using against Kizaru?
Ryo lets you create a space between attacks so if you pair it with conquerors coating you don't need to physically touch the other character.
It's good if you're fighting someone like Akainu with his magma, Magellan with his poison. It's also good if you're fighting another conquerors coating user because if that attack hits you, you get knocked out or take insane damage.
I'm also under the assumption that learning to flow your armaments helps in learning conquerors coating. That's why Luffy needed to learn how to flow his haki, and why Zoro needed Emma to better flow his haki.
It's good if you're fighting someone like Akainu with his magma, Magellan with his poison. It's also good if you're fighting another conquerors coating user because if that attack hits you, you get knocked out or take insane damage.
I'm also under the assumption that learning to flow your armaments helps in learning conquerors coating. That's why Luffy needed to learn how to flow his haki, and why Zoro needed Emma to better flow his haki.
Zoro's Flying Dragon Blaze, a COA-based attack, legit scared the shit out of BM and Kaido while Yamato's COC attacks weren't even tickling Kaido. It wasn't implied nor said that 'infusing your attacks with COC' is an advanced form of COC. You need to actually upgrade or unlock your COO to the next level to be able to use FS while you need not make your COC stronger or unlock an advanced form of it to infuse your attacks with it. You just need to figure out the way to infuse your attacks with COC, which makes your attacks exponentially stronger.
COC is just as beatable as any other ability—we've already seen non-haki users beating Haki uses, Non-devils-fruit users beating devils fruit users with broken abilities, non-awakened users beating awakening users, et cetera.
I did not say Rayleigh and Garp don't have COC; I said their COA might be able to overpower COC from someone like Yamato. No one or nothing hinted at Rayleigh using COC against Kizaru so he wasn't using it until further notice.
COC is just as beatable as any other ability—we've already seen non-haki users beating Haki uses, Non-devils-fruit users beating devils fruit users with broken abilities, non-awakened users beating awakening users, et cetera.
I did not say Rayleigh and Garp don't have COC; I said their COA might be able to overpower COC from someone like Yamato. No one or nothing hinted at Rayleigh using COC against Kizaru so he wasn't using it until further notice.
Imo it's just a added power. I think adcoc and adcoa stack making a much stronger attack. But not everyone can get adcoc especially if you don't even have CoC to begin with. Adcoa isn't bad or a worse version of adcoc. The no touching CoC attacks I think is when characters are flowing both CoA and CoC so that the attack is strong without even needing to necessarily touch. Plus there is nothing saying someone's CoA can't be stronger than someone else's CoC it's just people are still hyping the new pu and acting like it's the best same as they did when CoA was introduced.
There is very little info on Acoc . So far only kaido seems to have mastered it well.
Luffy and zoro are taking baby steps into it. It can only happen in extreme situations and battle experiences.
What @Gol D Roger said is correct. Yamato has it due to her experience fighting against her own dad . However her coa is pretty average she couldnt even break her own chain.
Both are different .
I dont think there was concept of advanced coc in pre ts. However oda wanted to show there are multiple users with CoC and luffy needs to overcome them in New world .
This is what chinjao said luffy needs to challenge his opponent to achieve what he is set on. CoC can only become strong if he fight tougher Conqueror opponents .
Luffy and zoro are taking baby steps into it. It can only happen in extreme situations and battle experiences.
What @Gol D Roger said is correct. Yamato has it due to her experience fighting against her own dad . However her coa is pretty average she couldnt even break her own chain.
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Both are different .
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I dont think there was concept of advanced coc in pre ts. However oda wanted to show there are multiple users with CoC and luffy needs to overcome them in New world .
This is what chinjao said luffy needs to challenge his opponent to achieve what he is set on. CoC can only become strong if he fight tougher Conqueror opponents .
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But this has everything to do with attack types and nothing to do with Yamato's CoC somehow being inferior in power.
Kinemon and freakin Kiku could hurt base Kaido with CoA coated blades, whereas Luffy in Boundman couldn't do shit to him. Kaido is just super resilient, as he has a very massive and tough body, therefore making him highly resistant against blunt force attacks.
Boundman still >>>>>>> to Kinemon or Kiku or any other scabbard for that matter in actual attack power.
The actual hype within the Yamato TB scene stems from her being able to hurt Hybrid Kaido, even tho it's a blunt force move. Up until now she's actually the only one who achieved that, all others either needed CoA/CoC infused blades or CoA/CoC internal destro haki blasts.
Give Yamato a sword and she would have insane DC feats and would easily be able to damage even Hybrid Kaido severly.
Higher attack efficiency via something like lethality =/= higher attack power. Her attack type is just "inferior" in that case.
Kinemon and freakin Kiku could hurt base Kaido with CoA coated blades, whereas Luffy in Boundman couldn't do shit to him. Kaido is just super resilient, as he has a very massive and tough body, therefore making him highly resistant against blunt force attacks.
Boundman still >>>>>>> to Kinemon or Kiku or any other scabbard for that matter in actual attack power.
The actual hype within the Yamato TB scene stems from her being able to hurt Hybrid Kaido, even tho it's a blunt force move. Up until now she's actually the only one who achieved that, all others either needed CoA/CoC infused blades or CoA/CoC internal destro haki blasts.
Give Yamato a sword and she would have insane DC feats and would easily be able to damage even Hybrid Kaido severly.
Higher attack efficiency via something like lethality =/= higher attack power. Her attack type is just "inferior" in that case.
It shouldn't b there , CoC coating make no sense at all..
Isn't CoC a will power..How the hell u can give physical form to your will . Advance CoA was enough !
The problem is Oda throw Adv coa to many characters , in the end added adv CoC for top tiers..
If he had restricted Adv CoA for limited (Top tiers) characters..He could have use Adv CoC with different applications..
For example Adv CoC being VOAT.
Now it seems like VOAT is entirely different ability saved for Luffy
Isn't CoC a will power..How the hell u can give physical form to your will . Advance CoA was enough !
The problem is Oda throw Adv coa to many characters , in the end added adv CoC for top tiers..
If he had restricted Adv CoA for limited (Top tiers) characters..He could have use Adv CoC with different applications..
For example Adv CoC being VOAT.
Now it seems like VOAT is entirely different ability saved for Luffy
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Red Roc also scared the shit out of both Yonkos and were still too shallow.
Infusing CoC is advanced CoC. Only a handful of the strongest can use that technique. They don't need to name it as advanced, it's pretty clear this is much more advanced than knocking out fodders.
Pre-timeskip haki was invisible. Nobody knows who is using haki and what type of haki. Just because we don't know doesn't mean it wasn't using.
WB vs Shanks we have no illustration of ACoC as we have between WB vs Roger and Kaido vs Luffy. And that was still ACoC.
Infusing CoC is advanced CoC. Only a handful of the strongest can use that technique. They don't need to name it as advanced, it's pretty clear this is much more advanced than knocking out fodders.
Pre-timeskip haki was invisible. Nobody knows who is using haki and what type of haki. Just because we don't know doesn't mean it wasn't using.
WB vs Shanks we have no illustration of ACoC as we have between WB vs Roger and Kaido vs Luffy. And that was still ACoC.
Red Roc shocked them, but it did not scare them.
It's maybe clear to you, but not to me and a lot of others. It's not advanced COC.
It doesn't mean he was using it too. So we'll have to settle for a minimum number of assumptions possible until further notice.
But we at least learned later on that they used it. There were also signs of them using an ability that's different from COA but no such thing happened with Rayleigh.
It's maybe clear to you, but not to me and a lot of others. It's not advanced COC.
It doesn't mean he was using it too. So we'll have to settle for a minimum number of assumptions possible until further notice.
But we at least learned later on that they used it. There were also signs of them using an ability that's different from COA but no such thing happened with Rayleigh.