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What concepts do you prefer personnally ? You have 4 votes, choose carefully


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#69
I'm not even sure... This guy is kinda oblivious to this subject

:catsweat:
I am also not sure with alot of the WG people's takes, that clearly contain ignorance towards these essential themes in One Piece. I usually hope they are just young people who are trolling, because they haven't learned otherwise.

Just coping atp. :pepecopium:
 
#70
So far,it seems that everyone was on board with Harald's new policy of Elbaph being on the World Government. So i guess there wont be traitors inside the kingdom that will kill Harald. So the fact that he was Domi Reversed by Imu is almost certain at 100% now? But why did he do that? It is connected to God Valley somehow?
 
#73
Well:

#1 has to be Knowledge.
Not just for it's applications in warfare and bettering your technology for personal situations, but for its utterly vital role in understanding the truth of the world and what you'd be fighting or standing for by taking certain actions.
The entire Elbaf flashback, from the perspective of Harold, is essentially a warning as to what might happen if you hold a simple but consistent misunderstanding about something important, even if you're otherwise perfectly virtuous.
This is, if anything, even more significantly vital IRL.

#2 should be Ethical.
People often mistake ethical actions for being kind actions, and often times that's what they are, but the true reason for ethics, as outlined by the ancient greeks, is that acting ethically is logically the strongest and most foundationally solid way to act, on a society level, anyway.
Moreover, even if you cant get strength or peace, at least Ethics is quickly achievable by anyone, even if you often need knowledge to properly guide it.
And even if you don't have the heart for resistance, an ethical non-resister can still sometimes do good within the world.

#3 is Resistance.
It's pretty simple. You need the spine to stand up for what's right.
Even if you have all the strength in the world, you cant do much good without a sense of resistance. Even if you have no strength at all, that doesn't prevent your resistance from being worth something.
You really need knowledge for good resistance, of course, otherwise you'll be standing up against your own interests, as well as the interests of others. And unethical resistance is villainous and futile, but other than those qualities, resistance is of most fundamental importance in just about any society, because you're kidding yourself, or just not looking hard enough, if you don't think there's something out there worth actively resisting.

#4 is Strength.
To start, Strength can mean a lot of things. A man who can feed his family is a strong man regardless of his ability to punch well or kill someone else with a gun. And the opposite is also somewhat true. Strength is capability and capability determines how far you can go. Though, without the first 3 qualities, there's almost no use in going anywhere frankly.
That said, outside of the most mind boggling extremes, there will almost always be at least some use for additional military strength, as a deterrent, if nothing else. So assuming the above 3 are at least partially met, a country focusing on strength is something I view as a fairly praiseworthy act.

#5 is Kindness.
It says a lot about the importance of the above that this comes 5th, but a country without at least the first 4 qualities is less of a country and more of a joke.
You can survive with ethics but without kindness. You can thrive even. I can acknowledge that humanity as a whole might one day be forced into that position out of a coldhearted pragmatism and that going there might technically be the correct decision after the fact.
But it's kindness that is fundamentally what we live for and what I cherish most in life. There is hardly any meaning in life without it. In that sense, it's far more important than even Peace.
That said, there is still some meaning in life without kindness, and life at all without the above qualities is far from assured, so I'm still leaving it down here.

#6 is Peace.
War is Hell. It's hardly ever justified. But in certain fringe cases, sometimes there are enough reasons for war that it is justified. I'd go to war to protect kindness. Thus, peace is below Kindness.

#7 is Progress.
Progress is of course, a major component of strength and capability, and is often linked to kindness, but you can have kindness without progress and you can have some strength without progress too.
And if you have progress without ethics or knowledge, you get something like the developing AI apocalypse we're stumbling towards. Or the Seraphim, speaking in One Piece terms.
Thus, though progress is still something I consider a really good and important quality, there are enough asterisks to why progress is good that I have to place it all of the way down here.
 
#76
That you're not a George Washington type, and will be happy with an authoritarian regime as long as you're the authority.

Don't worry. The fact that you picked knowledge still puts you among the better half of all IRL political positions.
Lol might be true. I'd 100% be onboard with reigning supreme.
:Fruit_Merchant:

Ironic because the last political compass test I did put me as a Liberal Left though.

Tbh I'm actually mixed on Control, I mainly picked it because it's something I view as important on a personal level.

I had a brain fart and didn't consider it as a political test, so I guess I'll switch it with Ethical instead.
 
#77
Ironic because the last political compass test I did put me as a Liberal Left though.
The political positions of the liberal left are generally what normal people agree with.

The fact that the Right still remains in power despite that just goes to show how important knowledge is, since it seems to me that a significant portion of voters don't know precisely what each political party stands for.

It's somewhat understandable though, I suppose, since around the globe, the right controls most of the official media right now.
 
#78
Hi!

We've just entered what might be one of the clearest political arcs in the history of One Piece.

So...

I'm creating a thread to focus the conversation just in case I'm right. Be sure to check back this thread as the arc progresses. Things could get very interesting!

REMEMBER:

There is no politic without conflict.



"Should you venture out and arrive on Elbaf's vast and mysterious soil.. Heed my simple warning :
"If I could only write one thing about this enticing nation, it would be this:"


"Do not linger there for too long"

- Louis Arnot, Explorer -​
Oda made everything a joke... :kayneshrug:

He is actually the biggest fraud.
 
#79
Went with Peace, Strength, Knowledge, Defense, Attack, Good and Control. Not sure what that says of me tbh.
There is no "absolutely good" answer. We are not a single thing, but a multiplicity of different things. That's what makes us unique.

As we can see right now in One Piece, the answer is nuanced.


Well:

#1 has to be Knowledge.
Not just for it's applications in warfare and bettering your technology for personal situations, but for its utterly vital role in understanding the truth of the world and what you'd be fighting or standing for by taking certain actions.
The entire Elbaf flashback, from the perspective of Harold, is essentially a warning as to what might happen if you hold a simple but consistent misunderstanding about something important, even if you're otherwise perfectly virtuous.
This is, if anything, even more significantly vital IRL.

#2 should be Ethical.
People often mistake ethical actions for being kind actions, and often times that's what they are, but the true reason for ethics, as outlined by the ancient greeks, is that acting ethically is logically the strongest and most foundationally solid way to act, on a society level, anyway.
Moreover, even if you cant get strength or peace, at least Ethics is quickly achievable by anyone, even if you often need knowledge to properly guide it.
And even if you don't have the heart for resistance, an ethical non-resister can still sometimes do good within the world.

#3 is Resistance.
It's pretty simple. You need the spine to stand up for what's right.
Even if you have all the strength in the world, you cant do much good without a sense of resistance. Even if you have no strength at all, that doesn't prevent your resistance from being worth something.
You really need knowledge for good resistance, of course, otherwise you'll be standing up against your own interests, as well as the interests of others. And unethical resistance is villainous and futile, but other than those qualities, resistance is of most fundamental importance in just about any society, because you're kidding yourself, or just not looking hard enough, if you don't think there's something out there worth actively resisting.

#4 is Strength.
To start, Strength can mean a lot of things. A man who can feed his family is a strong man regardless of his ability to punch well or kill someone else with a gun. And the opposite is also somewhat true. Strength is capability and capability determines how far you can go. Though, without the first 3 qualities, there's almost no use in going anywhere frankly.
That said, outside of the most mind boggling extremes, there will almost always be at least some use for additional military strength, as a deterrent, if nothing else. So assuming the above 3 are at least partially met, a country focusing on strength is something I view as a fairly praiseworthy act.

#5 is Kindness.
It says a lot about the importance of the above that this comes 5th, but a country without at least the first 4 qualities is less of a country and more of a joke.
You can survive with ethics but without kindness. You can thrive even. I can acknowledge that humanity as a whole might one day be forced into that position out of a coldhearted pragmatism and that going there might technically be the correct decision after the fact.
But it's kindness that is fundamentally what we live for and what I cherish most in life. There is hardly any meaning in life without it. In that sense, it's far more important than even Peace.
That said, there is still some meaning in life without kindness, and life at all without the above qualities is far from assured, so I'm still leaving it down here.

#6 is Peace.
War is Hell. It's hardly ever justified. But in certain fringe cases, sometimes there are enough reasons for war that it is justified. I'd go to war to protect kindness. Thus, peace is below Kindness.

#7 is Progress.
Progress is of course, a major component of strength and capability, and is often linked to kindness, but you can have kindness without progress and you can have some strength without progress too.
And if you have progress without ethics or knowledge, you get something like the developing AI apocalypse we're stumbling towards. Or the Seraphim, speaking in One Piece terms.
Thus, though progress is still something I consider a really good and important quality, there are enough asterisks to why progress is good that I have to place it all of the way down here.
I like your thinking. Almost the same as you (although I prefer not to rank them). I went with sharpness instead of strenght, I believe that a population that is sharp has a much better chance to survive than simply the one that is strong. Especially because most threat would be interior rather than exterior.
 
#80
The political positions of the liberal left are generally what normal people agree with.

The fact that the Right still remains in power despite that just goes to show how important knowledge is, since it seems to me that a significant portion of voters don't know precisely what each political party stands for.

It's somewhat understandable though, I suppose, since around the globe, the right controls most of the official media right now.
I agree that most probably vote without detailed knowledge. They probably just trust in the vibe they get from the candidate. Personally I wish we could vote for policies rather than people.

I'm frankly not too educated on politics myself but most normal people to me just don't support extreme positions, left or right. Both ideologies can potentially be abused imho.

As for libleft being the normal mindset, I think it really depends on where you're from and the circumstances that place is in. Online I think most I've seen are broadly liberal so you're correct in that context overall, based on my experience.
 
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