General & Others what's the Difference between a "Filler" Chapter and an "Info" Chapter?

Dettles

Dettles

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When people talk about "Filler" Chapters they talk about Chapters that don't push the story along. But what about Chapters that give information about Characters or Abilities that don't move the story along, but are still important?
How do you feel about those Chapters?
 
moreha9685

moreha9685

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The way Oda has been chopping up storylines since Punk Hazard, skipping around different povs, doing panel-short flashbacks to fill in info or to undo clifthangers, we no longer get neither filler chapters nor full-infodump chapters, which would at least alter the pace somewhat, but instead what current OP chapters are is a Frankensteined concoction of filler scenes--pages upon pages of reactions and reiterations of things we already know--all building up to a couple end-pages of actual plot only meant to make the reader want to read the next chapter ASAP.

The weekly releases are padded with filler. It was, among others, one of the main critiques to the Wano arc as well. That mess would have been better received if instead of jumping around Onigashima to show a glimpse of each SH, Oda had instead taken his time to dedicate entire chapters only to a single fight. Even Luffy's defeats, both when he was thrown into the sea and when he awakened the Nika DF, suffered from being given no breathing space. Instead of letting Luffy's fate linger (which readers knew wouldn't die), Oda immediately placed cliffhangers showing that he will be back to fight Kaido.

Info-only chapters, like you called them, would be more than welcome. They would offer a fresh take on Oda's crammed storytelling. Many hoped Elbaf would touch more upon local customs and weird traditions, like Skypeia had. Instead we were given three underdeveloped realms, one village, one castle, one library--and off we go, skipping from HK to HK, without any of their individual actions having the necessary room to make this story feel alive like it once was.

A cast of 1,000 characters is not impressive if you use it worse than you would only 4. Less is more, especially as the story should approach its conclusion and should, ideally, build upon its foundations, instead of introducing a hundred new ideas.
 
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Salah WG

Salah WG

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All Chapters contain mix of Filler/Info,
Only Last Pages of each Chapter matter,
You can literally just check only how each Chapter ends and you wouldn't be missing much of Story, nor feel totally lost.

I mean look at Elbaph Arc for example, (I keep track of this to simplify the Story for me)
Chapter 1126 --- Nami wakes up in Mysterious Lego Land
Chapter 1127 --- Nami reunites with other SHs
Chapter 1128 --- SHs are Attacked by Owner of Lego Land
Chapter 1129 --- SHs Successfully Escape him & his Lego Prison
Chapter 1130 --- Elbaph & Loki finally Introduced
Chapter 1131 --- Rest of SHs arrive at Elbaph
Chapter 1132 --- Lousi Arnote Warning about Elbaph
Chapter 1133 --- Robin Reunites with Saul
Chapter 1134 --- Two Holy Knights arrive at Elbaph
Chapter 1135 --- SHs meet Elbaph Elder Jarul
Chapter 1136 --- Two Holy Knights confront Loki
Chapter 1137 --- Figarland Shamrock is Introduced
Chapter 1138 --- Ancient Mural & Harley Text Revealed
Chapter 1139 --- Scopper Gaban is Introduced
Chapter 1140 --- More Holy Knights Arrive & make their Plan
Chapter 1141 --- Loki is Freed by Luffy/Zoro out of Curiosity
Chapter 1142 --- Elbaph is Attacked by Nightmare Monsters (Holy Knights Doing)
Chapter 1143 --- Those at Loki Side take a Break as Loki is Heavily Injured
Chapter 1144 --- Dorry/Brogy & Gaban join Fight against Monsters
Chapter 1145 --- Holy Knight Gunko confront SHs on Thousand Sunny
Chapter 1146 --- Saul is Defeated by Holy Knight Sommers who says Harald failed his Mission
Chapter 1147 --- Holy Knights make their Demands after They took Kids as Hostages
Chapter 1148 --- Gaban manages to Damage Sommers & Stop him
Chapter 1149 --- Imu arrives to Elbaph using Gunko's Body
Chapter 1150 --- Imu turns Old Giant Pirates into Demons & unleash them against Jarul

Just reading the Final Pages & the entire Story still works just fine, and you wouldn't feel Lost at all,
The Rest are just Filler, Extra Info Dump, Extended Action, more Drama, Teasers, Foreshadowing, Comedy, Fan Service, Adding Tension ... etc
This also helps know which Sub-Plots actually matter & Oda is basing the Arc on, meaning They will be Solved within this Arc.
 
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Bisoromi Bear

Bisoromi Bear

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Dettles said:
When people talk about "Filler" Chapters they talk about Chapters that don't push the story along. But what about Chapters that give information about Characters or Abilities that don't move the story along, but are still important?
How do you feel about those Chapters?
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A filler is a non canon addition to fill the story, usually to give the anime more time so it won't catch up to the manga or in non canon material published by another author to generate more revenue. One Piece movies, while produced to bring more profit for the publisher, generally don't fall under the category of filler.

Info chapters are for information (duh). They are relevant to the story. The only types of people who call info chapters filler are either powerscalers or fans of plotless action stories.
 
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OneHater

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moreha9685 said:
The way Oda has been chopping up storylines since Punk Hazard, skipping around different povs, doing panel-short flashbacks to fill in info or to undo clifthangers, we no longer get neither filler chapters nor full-infodump chapters, which would at least alter the pace somewhat, but instead what current OP chapters are is a Frankensteined concoction of filler scenes--pages upon pages of reactions and reiterations of things we already know--all building up to a couple end-pages of actual plot only meant to make the reader want to read the next chapter ASAP.

The weekly releases are padded with filler. It was, among others, one of the main critiques to the Wano arc as well. That mess would have been better received if instead of jumping around Onigashima to show a glimpse of each SH, Oda had instead taken his time to dedicate entire chapters only to a single fight. Even Luffy's defeats, both when he was thrown into the sea and when he awakened the Nika DF, suffered from being given no breathing space. Instead of letting Luffy's fate linger (which readers knew wouldn't die), Oda immediately placed cliffhangers showing that he will be back to fight Kaido.

Info-only chapters, like you called them, would be more than welcome. They would offer a fresh take on Oda's crammed storytelling. Many hoped Elbaf would touch more upon local customs and weird traditions, like Skypeia had. Instead we were given three underdeveloped realms, one village, one castle, one library--and off we go, skipping from HK to HK, without any of their individual actions having the necessary room to make this story feel alive like it once was.

A cast of 1,000 characters is not impressive if you use it worse than you would only 4. Less is more, especially as the story should approach its conclusion and should, ideally, build upon its foundations, instead of introducing a hundred new ideas.
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All true but Oda has always been bad at pacing, even back in Syrup Village, and he hasn't gotten any better as a writer so there has no been reason to think he would improve his writing. OP is what it is.
 
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MegaSpider

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The 5 Road chapters at the start of the arc are filler. Oda just created random meaningless side plot so that the first 6 SH wouldn't read newspaper with Vivi message.
 
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Robin swan

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Imo a info chapter progresses the story and/or reveals new information. A filler chapter more so just is more of just a hype train to build up something or someone. In a filler chapter not much moves and more so it's mostly just talking about nothing and reactions.
 
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