Questions & Mysteries When did this start?

[Blazing Lion]

I can't seem to understand this notion that Sanji and Zoro must always have bounties close to each others. I mean when Zoro got 60 mil Sanji had 0. When Zoro got 120 mil Sanji had 77 mil. When Zoro got 320 mil Sanji got 177 mil (an increase of 100 mil even when his role was relatively minimal in the arc). Did people start saying things like Sanji and Usopp should have their next bounties close because Usopp had 200 mil at the end of Dressrosa? Every other SHP except Chopper got a 50 mil increase whether they were present or not in Dressrosa. The same did not happen when Luffy and Co. invaded WCI. Only Luffy and Sanji got a bounty increase there (idk when Jinbe got his 438 mil bounty). And even the increase from 177 mil to 330 mil was due to "Germa's Infamy" as noted by Sanji himself.

I am not saying that Sanji does not deserve a high bounty like the other commanders but it being specifically close to Zoro's is something that is for the most part inaccurate. I mean he was arguably only weaker than Luffy, Zoro, Kid, Law, Marco and Yamato on the alliance side. And I think that the bounty increases are not unjustified for Sanji but the reasons got the increases were not power related with two of the three being due to his relationship with the Vinsmokes. He has done pretty great things behind the scenes (Mr. Prince) which never got highlighted because of being behind the scenes and for those he should have gotten a bounty but instead got the raise due to Vinsmokes.

I guess we will soon find out in two days when the spoilers for 1053 drop.

 

[Black]

Coz sanji bois copin

 

[Franosuke]

Oda raising Sanji's bounty over Zoro's was like a final "present" for him & his fans following WCI lol. And he had to excuse it by having Sanji himself suggest that his bounty only increased due to his association with Germa.

But I feel like there is a greater chance this time that Oda will have their bounties be fairly close. Some people like to argue that the only reason Sanji's bounty was that much lower than Zoro's in EL was because he didn't have a bounty previously. And Sanji wasn't really involved in Dressrosa, so who knows what his bounty would've been if he took part.

This time, Zoro & Sanji are starting with only 10M difference between them & they defeated enemies with only a 70M difference. Definitely more room for debate in terms of the bounty gap this time.

But at the same time, Oda could've given Sanji a bounty in Alabasta if he wanted to. And he increased Zoro's bounty by more than he increased Luffy's bounty in Dressrosa just to keep the gaps fairly stable, so

 

[NikaInParis]

I guess it's because of King and Queen and their dynamic. They were bickering like Zoro and Sanji, King is 1cm taller than Queen just like Zoro is taller than Sanji, so people think their bounties will also be close.

Imo Zoro should have the higher bounty because he participated on the rooftop. Thing is, no one saw the feat from roof piece until Luffy vs Kaido started soooo the only known fights for both of them are vs King and vs Queen respectively.

Though I would prefer if Sanji had a bigger bounty just for the meltdown here

 

[Blazing Lion]

I guess it's because of King and Queen and their dynamic. They were bickering like Zoro and Sanji, King is 1cm taller than Queen just like Zoro is taller than Sanji, so people think their bounties will also be close.

Imo Zoro should have the higher bounty because he participated on the rooftop. Thing is, no one saw the feat from roof piece until Luffy vs Kaido started soooo the only known fights for both of them are vs King and vs Queen respectively.

Though I would prefer if Sanji had a bigger bounty just for the meltdown here

I think the roofpiece fight was shown, the marys (Bao Huang) was told by Kaido to announce his victory so probably the whole Onigashima had cameras or eyes, I mean Zoro defeating King was caught on camera/whatever the heck it was when that Smile user saw Zoro landing back on Onigashima so the rooftop where Jack and other Beast Pirates had been fighting earlier on should have a few of those cameras/marys.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

They have now similar bounties.
So they will have new similar bounties as well, first because they are similar in strength and because the enemies they defeated have similar bounties too.

 

[Soyz]

Their bounty increases by the people who they defeated : mr 1 had a bounty , zoro fought pica while sanji didnt fight anyone, if the government only sees zoro defeat king 1.39b and not his rooftop he has no reason to be above sanji by alot considering sanji beat a guy only 70m lower.

 

[Blazing Lion]

Oda raising Sanji's bounty over Zoro's was like a final "present" for him & his fans following WCI lol. And he had to excuse it by having Sanji himself suggest that his bounty only increased due to his association with Germa.

But I feel like there is a greater chance this time that Oda will have their bounties be fairly close. Some people like to argue that the only reason Sanji's bounty was that much lower than Zoro's in EL was because he didn't have a bounty previously. And Sanji wasn't really involved in Dressrosa, so who knows what his bounty would've been if he took part.

This time, Zoro & Sanji are starting with only 10M difference between them & they defeated enemies with only a 70M difference. Definitely more room for debate in terms of the bounty gap this time.

But at the same time, Oda could've given Sanji a bounty in Alabasta if he wanted to. And he increased Zoro's bounty by more than he increased Luffy's bounty in Dressrosa just to keep the gaps fairly stable, so

Man you seem one of the reasonable people on this forum. About Sanji in Dressrosa but he already got a 100 mil without doing much while Franky and Robin who did participate in the battle got a 50 mil increase. Luffy got a 100 mil increase, Usopp got a 170 mil increase and Zoro got a 200 mil increase. I mean Oda seems to do random shit sometimes because if we are going by the in arc hype then Usopp and Luffy had way more than Zoro in Dressrosa but Zoro still got the biggest increase just because he fodderized Pica? I mean Zoro had no other role or achievement or anything but still got such a big jump. Even Franky did that factory stuff in front of the Marines and still got only the 50 mil increase.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

It’s because for the first time they’ll both receive their fourth bounty at the same time. And with these two being compared as Wings and Stars in Wano with their opponents having close bounties Oda definitely set up Zoro and sanji getting similar level bounties

 

[roronoa_fan]

I can't seem to understand this notion that Sanji and Zoro must always have bounties close to each others.

I believe it's because the bounty is close and their enemies were too. But they forget about all the other differences portrayed between the two.

One of them is a supernova and fought the yonkous, one of them awakened the ACoc and became a king, one of them defeated the strongest race. The other is Sanji

 

[NikaInParis]

I think the roofpiece fight was shown, the marys (Bao Huang) was told by Kaido to announce his victory so probably the whole Onigashima had cameras or eyes, I mean Zoro defeating King was caught on camera/whatever the heck it was when that Smile user saw Zoro landing back on Onigashima so the rooftop where Jack and other Beast Pirates had been fighting earlier on should have a few of those cameras/marys.

Roof piece commonly refers only to the 5 vs 2 fight
And that fight and the result of it wasn't shown or told because there was no result - that fight evolved into Luffy vs Kaido and Law&Kid vs Big Mom
The only announcement was for Zoro vs King

 

[Rarted]

It's highly likely that they will remain to have somewhat equal bounties until the end of the story from this point on, considering how close their current bounties are.

It's also interesting to compare Zoro and Sanji's bounty increases.

Zoro's first bounty: 60 million berries
Sanji's first bounty: 77 million berries

Zoro's second bounty: 120 million berries
Sanji's second bounty: 177 million berries

Zoro's third bounty: 320 million berries
Sanji's third bounty: 330 million berries

Zoro's fourth bounty: ???
Sanji's fourth bounty: ???

Sanji's been consistently catching up to Zoro's bounty. I do believe Zoro's bounty will be slightly higher than Sanji's by the end of the story.

 

[Blazing Lion]

Roof piece commonly refers only to the 5 vs 2 fight
And that fight and the result of it wasn't shown or told because there was no result - that fight evolved into Luffy vs Kaido and Law&Kid vs Big Mom
The only announcement was for Zoro vs King

I am saying Kaido communicated with Bao Huang to announce his victory and I don't think she was present at the rooftop so Kaido already had some device to communicate downstairs which makes me believe that there might be marys on the rooftop which could give updates of the 5v2 battle.

 

[NikaInParis]

I am saying Kaido communicated with Bao Huang to announce his victory and I don't think she was present at the rooftop so Kaido already had some device to communicate downstairs which makes me believe that there might be marys on the rooftop which could give updates of the 5v2 battle.

Then why would he need to announce anything to anyone

 

[Blazing Lion]

It's highly likely that they will remain to have somewhat equal bounties until the end of the story from this point on, considering how close their current bounties are.

It's also interesting to compare Zoro and Sanji's bounty increases.

Zoro's first bounty: 60 million berries
Sanji's first bounty: 77 million berries

Zoro's second bounty: 120 million berries
Sanji's second bounty: 177 million berries

Zoro's third bounty: 320 million berries
Sanji's third bounty: 330 million berries

Zoro's fourth bounty: ???
Sanji's fourth bounty: ???

Sanji's been consistently catching up to Zoro's bounty. I do believe Zoro's bounty will be slightly higher than Sanji's by the end of the story.

My problem is that these were given at completely different points in the story which cannot be fairly compared.

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Then why would he need to announce anything to anyone

It was to announce it to the whole island, even the enemy (the alliance). Only Beast Pirates and CP0 had access to the overall battlefield knowledge before that point.

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I believe it's because the bounty is close and their enemies were too. But they forget about all the other differences portrayed between the two.

One of them is a supernova and fought the yonkous, one of them awakened the ACoc and became a king, one of them defeated the strongest race. The other is Sanji

Disregarding the second half of your post (don't want to get into that type of thing at all) what I am trying to say is that at each point in time (at the end of each arc) where bounties have been given there is a significant difference between the bounties of Zoro and Sanji. We need to look at that point in the timeline. We cannot compare bounty of Luffy Pre TS to bounty of Zoro after Dressrosa. By this logic Luffy has one of the shittiest bounty progressions:

Luffy 1st bounty: 30 mil
Zoro 1st bounty: 60 mil
Sanji 1st bounty: 77 mil

Luffy 2nd bounty: 100 mil
Zoro 2nd bounty: 120 mil
Sanji 2nd bounty: 177 mil

Luffy 3rd bounty: 300 mil
Zoro 3rd bounty: 320 mil
Sanji 3rd bounty: 330 mil

Going by this stupid logic Zoro and Sanji at max would have their 4th bounty (Wano arc bounty) below 500 mil since Luffy's 4th bounty IIRC was 400 mil after Marineford.

 

[Sanji D Cook]

People need to realize Zoro and Sanji are comparable to each other more than Zoro and Luffy. They try to outdo each other but when things get real, the crew looks to them not name Luffy. Those 2 are Luffy's wings.

People are so salty that Zoro didn't have a bigger role in Wano. His role has stayed the same since joining Luffy, and that is being a powerful subordinate, just like Sanji.

 

[BleakAsh]

You're not representing the bounties accurately
Zoro in preTS has more increases than sanji
sanji had didn't have one in Alabasta coz oda didn't want Germa to be introduced early but if you wanna look at fax snaji went of flexing spree even in front of smoker who didn't snitch... he deserved one

Luffy 1st bounty: 30 mil
Zoro 1st bounty: 60 mil
Sanji 1st bounty: 77 mil

Luffy 2nd bounty: 100 mil
Zoro 2nd bounty: 120 mil
Sanji 2nd bounty: 177 mil

Luffy 3rd bounty: 300 mil
Zoro 3rd bounty: 320 mil
Sanji 3rd bounty: 330 mil

this one is sequentially accurate

thx @Blazing Lion

 

[faker]

How much do you think Sanji and Zoro's bounty should be different

 

[Finalbeta]

It literally started off as a gag process I would suggest

 

[Kiri D Bachi]

They will probably be close because their opponents were close. Zoro did more in Wano than Sanji but he won't be credited for scarring Kaido, Defeating Killer or Hawkins (both of them were up and fighting just a few chapters later so it doesn't really make a difference).

It is all about circumstances upon which bounties were assigned in the first place.

Keep in mind that Zoro's first bounty wasn't due to his actions in Alabasta (defeating mr1) but because of his Whiskey Peak rampage. At least that was the official reasoning since the Marines covered the whole thing up. Of course, defeating mr1 was a big reason for Zoro's bounty, but it wasn't official. That's why no other SH got a bounty in Alabasta although all of them defeated a numbered agent in 1v1. We know that Mr2 had a 32.000.000 berry bounty so by all logic Sanji should have gotten at least that amount for defeating him.

Sanji's first bounty was post EL and that was the first time WG was ready to acknowledge his feats (because they couldn't cover up one of the three symbols of their power being raided and destroyed, if they could, they most certainly would). That's why ALL of the SH's got their bounties in EL (something that would've happened in Alabasta if it wasn't for cover ups). Then, Zoro got a bounty increase that put him considerably above Sanji, but that's because he already had a relatively high bounty and was already cemented in WG's eyes as Luffy's right hand man and partner in crime. If Zoro was also getting his first bounty in EL, his and Sanji's bounties would be very close because their opponents were also very close in strength and status.

Other bounties they recieved were all very situation specific (Sanji not being in Dressrossa, Zoro not being in WCI, Sanji being wanted only alive, etc.)Now for the first time in the series they have the same staring point (330 mil vs 320 mil) and there is no chance for covering anything up or anything else to influence their bounties apart from their defeated opponents. So seeing how close King and Queen were with their bounties, we can expect the same with Zoro and Sanji.

My prediction: Zoro: 1.7B, Sanji: 1.55B