General & Others When does a weapon become a sword and a man a swordsman?

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Question 1: When is a weapon a sword?


I think most can agree that weapons like spears, axes, naginatas, etc are not usually considered swords despite being blades weapons. Being meito or cursed shouldn’t change that


Hell we’ve even seen Kaido capable of cutting techniques with his kanabo and I think Yamato too. Doesn’t mean it’s a sword

At the same time all those weapons can be used as swords depending on the wielder

A scythe which isn’t a sword can be used as a sword as shown by zoro

Nekomamushi with his claws but obviously not all claws are swords

Legs obviously aren’t swords but Kaku still refers to them as so because of his tempest kicks. Even tho all of cp9 can also use the same technique. Similar to how all marines have trained in using swords but that doesn’t make all of them swordsmen

Question 2: When is a man a swordsman?
We already know that despite any weapon being capable of being used in swordsmanship it doesn’t mean the weapon itself is a sword aka above
The funny thing is tho it’s the same way even using a sword doesn’t automatically make you a swordsman


We know there’s a difference between using a sword/blade and being proficient in a sword style


King despite being knowledgeable on what it means to be a swordsman while even using a sword him doesn’t claim to be one due to not having a real swordsmanship style


Then we got someone like cabaji who he himself claimed to be a swordsman and even challenged zoro to a sword duel despite automatically breaking the deal

When someone considers themselves a swordsman regardless of how skilled they truly are they are still an obstacle in Zoro’s path he has to surpass. Cabaji despite being fodder is more or a swordsman than king because he actually claims to be one

Franky and pica despite using swords aren’t swordsmen like Brook and diamanté who actually consider themselves swordsmen

Most skilled swordsmen actually have sword styles tho
Like cavendish’s beautiful sword style

Hyogoros flower style

Etc


Like it or not that also leaves the door open for Linlin and Shanks to not be tied down to the swordman title

  1. No sword styles
    • Ikoku and divine departure aren’t under one
  2. Have not claimed to be swordsmen
    • Just like king has shown you can have a sword duel despite not considering yourself a swordsman
  3. Not as important but both can likely fight without their swords especially if griffin also ends up being sentient
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#5
If you mostly use a sword to fight you’re a swordsman

A character like King at least has an argument against it because he swapped between his hybrid and full zoan form fairly often. Even Big Mom maybe has an argument for not being considered a swordsman due to her fighting without Cognac half the time

Shanks on the other hand does not. Unless you think Shanks can form avatars and teleport with haki alone he’s a swordsman

I’ll never understand the amount of mental gymnastics people do to put Shanks over Mihawk. Do y’all think Oda had the Marines compare Shanks to Mihawk for no reason?

“Mihawk is superior to Shanks in sword skill… which is weird to point out since Shanks isn’t a swordsman but whatever”

If you remove agenda and biases it’s obvious
 
#8
Anyone who fights primarily with a sword is a swordsman
Regardless if he or she have secondary ability lol
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If you mostly use a sword to fight you’re a swordsman

A character like King at least has an argument against it because he swapped between his hybrid and full zoan form fairly often. Even Big Mom maybe has an argument for not being considered a swordsman due to her fighting without Cognac half the time

Shanks on the other hand does not. Unless you think Shanks can form avatars and teleport with haki alone he’s a swordsman

I’ll never understand the amount of mental gymnastics people do to put Shanks over Mihawk. Do y’all think Oda had the Marines compare Shanks to Mihawk for no reason?

“Mihawk is superior to Shanks in sword skill… which is weird to point out since Shanks isn’t a swordsman but whatever”

If you remove agenda and biases it’s obvious
Shanks have zero argument

Him & Zoro are both Hakimen and Swordsman
 

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#9
Going by one piece standards

Swords seem to be any bladed weapon thats not an Axe or Dagger

Swordsmen are people whose primary fighting style is via swordsmanship
 
#10
    • Just like king has shown you can have a sword duel despite not considering yourself a swordsman
  1. Not as important but both can likely fight without their swords especially if griffin also ends up being sentient
Just because someone doesn't say "I'm a swordsman" doesn't mean the person doesn't consider himself one.

Zoro also showed capable of fighting without a sword and even implied biting King if needed to win. That doesn't take the swordsman title from him.

And is interesting to consider Ryuuma's title as God of the Blade.
 
#11
If you mostly use a sword to fight you’re a swordsman

A character like King at least has an argument against it because he swapped between his hybrid and full zoan form fairly often. Even Big Mom maybe has an argument for not being considered a swordsman due to her fighting without Cognac half the time

Shanks on the other hand does not. Unless you think Shanks can form avatars and teleport with haki alone he’s a swordsman

I’ll never understand the amount of mental gymnastics people do to put Shanks over Mihawk. Do y’all think Oda had the Marines compare Shanks to Mihawk for no reason?

“Mihawk is superior to Shanks in sword skill… which is weird to point out since Shanks isn’t a swordsman but whatever”

If you remove agenda and biases it’s obvious
All king did was try to punch zoro in the face before coming to the conclusion he wasn’t a swordsman
  1. Shanks like king doesn’t have a sword style
  2. As far as we know never claimed to be a swordsman. We know having sword duels doesn’t mean your a swordsman like we’ve seen from king and even Franky
  3. We don’t know if shanks can fight without his sword but based on his brother and the name of his sword it’s even more likely
Just because someone doesn't say "I'm a swordsman" doesn't mean the person doesn't consider himself one.

Zoro also showed capable of fighting without a sword and even implied biting King if needed to win. That doesn't take the swordsman title from him.

And is interesting to consider Ryuuma's title as God of the Blade.
Zoro doesn’t consider him a swordsman
 
#12
If you mostly use a sword to fight you’re a swordsman

A character like King at least has an argument against it because he swapped between his hybrid and full zoan form fairly often. Even Big Mom maybe has an argument for not being considered a swordsman due to her fighting without Cognac half the time

Shanks on the other hand does not. Unless you think Shanks can form avatars and teleport with haki alone he’s a swordsman

I’ll never understand the amount of mental gymnastics people do to put Shanks over Mihawk. Do y’all think Oda had the Marines compare Shanks to Mihawk for no reason?

“Mihawk is superior to Shanks in sword skill… which is weird to point out since Shanks isn’t a swordsman but whatever”

If you remove agenda and biases it’s obvious
That's true, some people have to cope with their agenda.
Mihawk and Shanks are swordsmen...................
 
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