Questions & Mysteries Who created the Zoan DF first?

Erkan12

Erkan12

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Since ZKKclowns can't produce any arguments other than mindlessly wanking Mihawk and Zolo who are weaker than Shanks and Luffy, lets throw some theories:

First of all lets start with what we know:

- There can be only 1 leopard and 1 lion type of Zoan devil fruits as we know, no other same type of Zoan.

Mythical zoans are rare but why there can't be more than same 1 leopard or more than 1 elephant type? Whats the reason? There are many in the nature.

We see in Fishman island: Noah's ship:



Its a gigantic ship.

If its this big, there can be a reason for that. Perhaps carrying a lot of living beings?

As its called ''Noah'' what was the story?

''Noah's Ark (Hebrew: תיבת נח; Biblical Hebrew: Tevat Noaḥ)[Notes 1] is the ship in the Genesis flood narrative through which God spares Noah, his family, and examples of all the world's animals from a global deluge.''

''Examples of all the world's animals from a global deluge''

Could be the same reason why there is only 1 example Zoan devil fruit and there is no other leopard or any other wolf zoan?

Perhaps just like in the story, Oda is planning something like this for One Piece as well. Noah in One Piece, (perhaps it will be Nika instead Noah) took examples from every animal and thus thats how the all Zoan devil fruits are created in the sea, and thus their connection to sea would make sense because they sank, and the DFs are sinking when they are connect with the sea again.

Another interesting thing is, they can make multiple artificial zoans but they are still not exactly look like the original zoans.

And when artificial zoan fails, what happens to the failed users?



And what is the mythical Zoan, who is seen as one of the strongest do?


Smiles.

There could be surely a relationship between through DNA codes.

- Noah gattered all the animal examples (only 1 from each species) and went to sea and we know Devil fruits came from the sea, that they perhaps sink into the sea and thus that devil fruit weakness has born through this.

- Zoans said they have will their own unlike other types Devil Fruits.



''Zoan fruits contain a will of their own.''

- And when artifical zoan fails, it make people smile all the time, Nika also make people smile, could it be a DNA failure related to Nika since Nika could be the first Zoan DF or the leader of them?

Now the interesting thing is, Imu and Gorosei are most likely are Zoans too. If Nika is the first Zoan or the king/leader of Zoans, that will make them inferior to Nika, especially if Imu is as old as Nika then either Imu betrayed Nika, backstabbed him and took his position and came to power.

Then what is the opposing forces to Zoan? If Nika is the leader of Zoans?

Logia are special like Vegapunk said as well.



''I tried my hand at Logias, but they were trickier than expected''.

If Zoans are created like that, how Logias are created then? Or were they created before Zoans?

Surely if there is a clash between Logia leadership and Zoan leaderships from the old times, then Logia leader could be possibly Darkness.

This reminded me how they could be created again by sinking into the sea:



A dark black hole that created in the sea, perhaps thats how Darkness logia also can imitate the sea energy and cancel Devil fruit abilities from being used.

Its literally called ''Darkness Water'' Kurouzu:



Coincidence? I think not.

Perhaps other logia came from Darkness, just like Zoan came from Nika.

Its also interesting that, as a result of that darkness created in Lulusia island after its destruction, there are earthquakes started, another ability that the current Darkness logia user has, perhaps Paramecia came from Darkness as well.

So this might be the final clash between the leader of logia and paramecia (Teach) vs. the leader of zoan (Luffy).

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Kiiro

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Great Theory.

Imagine that Inu or Luffy were the 1st Zoan fruit, aka the Zoan King Fruit and they were able to control any other Zoan.

If Gorosei indeed have Zoan fruits, maybe that is the reason, so Imu could control them.

There was a hint of this, of controlling Zoan Smile users, when Momo ate the smileof Vegapunk, he saw Doflamingo, the creator of the fruit with Caesar. Was Doffy gonna control the smile users? Remember he was gonna be at Wano.
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Herrera95

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Interesting but didn't got your obsession with Zoro/Mihawk fans.

For what I remember of Vegapunk's explanation he could easily replicated Zoans. Only Ceasar messed up. So this would already debunk the Nika Zoan 0 theory I guess.
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Kiiro said:
What Vegapunk said is still a theory, might even be Oda trying to fool us.
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I bet he is testing how fans are reacting to that idea of DFs. If we strongly dislike he may change. If not he may keep it.
 
Gol D. Bullet

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Very interesting theory, it might be the reason why the Gorosei and Imu appear to have mythical zoans themselves.

Luffy befriended or intimidated the animals on the island where he trained with Rayleigh. Perhaps Nika was like Luffy a big friend of animals and when devil fruits were created it was done through Nika's group or those who were on the great ship in Fishman Island..
Maybe Nika or someone close to him was trying to escape on Noah's ship but was betrayed and captured. Thus all the animals on that ship would be the only ones to be used as devil fruits Maybe because of Nika's power having an influence on the animals like we can see on Long Ring Island.

it would explain why like you said why we dont get more variants of different species. But also explain why we dont have more underwater creatures like dolphins or sharks in the devil fruit zoan section.

Come to think of it, it would be pretty unsettling if all the animals were experimented or murdered to create these devil fruits hence how they carry the will of the zoan inside each fruit.

I have long suspected that the Yami Yami no Mi may actually represent the darkness of the deep sea.
It would explain alot behind BB's wide range of abilities. Why he is able to absorb people and things and spit them out. It would explains Teach's unusual description of the fruit being the most evil or dangerous amongst the logia. Not to mention Teach being able to nullify a person's devil fruit means he effectively shutting that dream off. Though I feel conflicted about the possibility nature, it's seem like a strong chance that the Darkness fruit could be a mythical zoan like Davy Jones but I would really likely to see Teach eat a third zoan fruit to complete the 3 motif, he's got going on.
 
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Erkan12 said:
Since ZKKclowns can't produce any arguments other than mindlessly wanking Mihawk and Zolo who are weaker than Shanks and Luffy, lets throw some theories:
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Proceeds to write his own fan fiction.
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How can someone contradict themselves this hard.
 
Erkan12

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Etzel Andergast said:
Interesting theory, but I think the ark was never used before:

"The giant ship is hundreds of years old, and was part of a failed attempt to move into the human world. Joy Boy made a promise to Fish-Man Island to use Poseidon's powers to raise the ship to the surface, but after breaking the terms of agreement he was forced to leave Noah for another person to raise. The people of Fish-Man Island promised Joy Boy that they would keep Noah safe on the ocean floor, until a certain day arrives, and the people have been doing just that. "

I think the only purpose of noah ark is to take all the fishman of fishman island when the red line falls
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I don't see any certain statements against this in that wiki text, its better to use manga. The ship can be used for multiple things, and could be used for multiple things even at the same time, or before or after.

Gol D. Bullet said:
Very interesting theory, it might be the reason why the Gorosei and Imu appear to have mythical zoans themselves.

Luffy befriended or intimidated the animals on the island where he trained with Rayleigh. Perhaps Nika was like Luffy a big friend of animals and when devil fruits were created it was done through Nika's group or those who were on the great ship in Fishman Island..
Maybe Nika or someone close to him was trying to escape on Noah's ship but was betrayed and captured. Thus all the animals on that ship would be the only ones to be used as devil fruits Maybe because of Nika's power having an influence on the animals like we can see on Long Ring Island.

it would explain why like you said why we dont get more variants of different species. But also explain why we dont have more underwater creatures like dolphins or sharks in the devil fruit zoan section.

Come to think of it, it would be pretty unsettling if all the animals were experimented or murdered to create these devil fruits hence how they carry the will of the zoan inside each fruit.

I have long suspected that the Yami Yami no Mi may actually represent the darkness of the deep sea.
It would explain alot behind BB's wide range of abilities. Why he is able to absorb people and things and spit them out. It would explains Teach's unusual description of the fruit being the most evil or dangerous amongst the logia. Not to mention Teach being able to nullify a person's devil fruit means he effectively shutting that dream off. Though I feel conflicted about the possibility nature, it's seem like a strong chance that the Darkness fruit could be a mythical zoan like Davy Jones but I would really likely to see Teach eat a third zoan fruit to complete the 3 motif, he's got going on.
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If this happens that means Teach won't have a Zoan since it doesn't align with his theme, or doesn't work in his body alongside with Logia darkness.


If we consider how Logia devil fruit types exists:

Cold Logia > Snow Logia, Magma Logia > Flame Logia. We know there are hierarchical relationship in Logia, so its possible first Cold and Magma Logia existed, then Snow and Flame came from them.

But then where Cold logia and Magma logia came from first? Could it be they come from Darkness logia?

Then again, Paramecia has hierarchical relationship just like Logia has, through Baby5's DF > Daz Bones's DF, and another Paramecia is mentioned again, Machvise's DF > Ms.Valentine's DF.

But interesting that Oda doesn't mention Zoan in that SBS 79, no mention of any Zoan hierarchical relationship, so it looked like Logia/Paramecia and Zoan were separated into 2 groups, as well as Gorosei's statement about Zoans having will their own again separates Zoan from Logia/Paramecia.

And there is also Katakuri's Paramecia being mistaken for Logia first, and Oda also answers a question in SBS that Earthquake DF could be like Logia, but should be Paramecia, again another connection between the 2 types.

''D: Hello, Oda-sensei! I have a question. Is Whitebeard, Edward Newgate, a Logia or a Paramecia? I personally think he's Logia, since he took Aokiji's attack without turning to ice, but...? P.N. NY O: I guess that's difficult. The answer is Paramecia. "Gura Gura no Mi" is considered as one of the most powerful paramecia fruits. It's easy to think that he's an "Earthquake Human" and must be Logia, but if that was so, he'd have to become an earthquake himself. Whitebeard creates earthquakes, in other words he's a "Tremor Human". That means he's a Paramecia who isn't any weaker than the Logias.''

Its also interesting that the Sunlight Tree has possibly a connection to Devil Fruits, and its roots has connection to Fishman Island, where Noah was.
 
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Erkan12 said:
Since ZKKclowns can't produce any arguments other than mindlessly wanking Mihawk and Zolo who are weaker than Shanks and Luffy, lets throw some theories:
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I like how you're expressing your disappointment in your first sentence like you are expecting Zoro fans and Mihawk fans to care more about other things in One Piece that are not power level when both characters represent power.

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Great idea about how the Zoans came to be. Nika being Noah, and the Zoans being each the animals that were saved.

You are connecting the darkness of the huge ass hole, it being at sea, and the earthquakes as a hint to BB's power and for the sake of the argument let's say that is true, then the first Yami Fruit user or whatever being have its power perhaps might also be the one who created the ancient weapons or at least one since that huge ass hole was created by the Mother Flame, which probably is an inferior version of the ancient weapon Uranus.

There definitely something more about Yami since BB is the anti-thesis of Luffy and I'm looking forward to it. As for the Yami being from where other Logias and Paramecia came from, I don't know about this, but there was void before everything came to be right?
 
Erkan12

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Erkan12 said:
If we consider how Logia devil fruit types exists:

Cold Logia > Snow Logia, Magma Logia > Flame Logia. We know there are hierarchical relationship in Logia, so its possible first Cold and Magma Logia existed, then Snow and Flame came from them.

But then where Cold logia and Magma logia came from first? Could it be they come from Darkness logia?

Then again, Paramecia has hierarchical relationship just like Logia has, through Baby5's DF > Daz Bones's DF, and another Paramecia is mentioned again, Machvise's DF > Ms.Valentine's DF.

But interesting that Oda doesn't mention Zoan in that SBS 79, no mention of any Zoan hierarchical relationship, so it looked like Logia/Paramecia and Zoan were separated into 2 groups, as well as Gorosei's statement about Zoans having will their own again separates Zoan from Logia/Paramecia.

And there is also Katakuri's Paramecia being mistaken for Logia first, and Oda also answers a question in SBS that Earthquake DF could be like Logia, but should be Paramecia, again another connection between the 2 types.
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When people thought Ryokugyu was going to be Mythical Zoan, but ended up as Logia, this might be another example. Because Logia Admiral 3 were broken by adding Paramecia Fujitora once, so people thought it should be Zoan that needs to replace the next new Admiral, but it wasn't, it was another Logia.

If there is a connection between Logia/Paramecia and its separated from Zoan, then it makes sense why Oda didn't see any need to make Fujitora's DF as Logia or Ryokugyu's as Zoan, as he sees Logia and Paramecia are same so he didn't change the Admiral DF theme.

Considering this, I won't be surprised if Teach doesn't get a third Zoan DF instead of 3rd Paramecia or his DF Awakening will be too strong instead so he won't need a 3rd DF, but still I would be ok with a 3rd Zoan or Paramecia as well.
 
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Yami is a mythical zoan tho, teach's logia will be the water one which he will steal from the man marked by flames.
 
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