Speculations Why big mom is going to be defeated this arc

#1
With chapter 1010, I think Oda has shown us unequivocally that big mom will be defeated in wano and that Eustass Kid will be the primary person who defeats her.

I expected this. It of course made no sense for big mom to be the main antagonist of two major arcs and then return as an antagonist for a third one. It especially didn't make sense for her to be the main antagonist in elbaf, granted that elbaf is the strongest nation and everyone there hates her. When one piece is clearly headed towards its final acts, we don't need another big mom arc.
Do I think Luffy will fight her in the future, like he promised katakuri? Yes, but it won't be eventful. Post-wano, it makes no narrative sense for her to play a major antagonistic role. While luffy will defeat her in the future, Kid must defeat her in wano to retire her role as an antagonist.

This chapter showed us exactly this. Oda could have easily dunked big mom out of the story by having her fall in the water and re-appear later. But prometheus saved her, and Kid and Killer went down from the rooftop to stand before her at the edge of onigashima, something that would only make sense if he were to fight big mom, as has been framed to by the story.

There's another issue that has made fans hesitant to believe big mom will fall, and that is the question of powerscaling. Can Kid really beat big mom? I mean come on, the man didn't even make kaido bleed, how could he beat big mom? Very simply. Oda could logically have Kid beat big mom by giving him just one power up that he could reasonably attain. That being devil fruit awakening.
Magnetism is an absurdly overpowered ability. At its extremes, Kid's powers could rival whitebeard's and at the very least, he can do quite easily things that Luffy needs advanced haki to accomplish. He can make barriers out of magnetic fields and large amounts of metal(such as the onigashima sword), and he can do internal damage by blood iron manipulation.

But awakening might not be enough and even if it was, Kid won't awaken it right away. So what happens? Well I think this fight is a perfect way to bring in apoo, hawkins, and possibly drake and have them do something important. Say apoo and hawkins switched sides and joined the fight against big mom along with drake, would the supernova not have a decent chance at winning. The rooftop fight suggests so, that in a tag team, supernova stand a decent chance against a yonko. Hawkins is the perfect defense, Apoo is the perfect offense, and Kid's sheer physical strength(in punk rotten) can apply a constant stress on big mom. If these 5 team up, Kid might not even need a power up to win, albeit I think he will get one anyways.

To wrap this up, big mom not falling wouldn't just be anticlimactic, it would also deny five supernova: Kid, Killer, Drake, Apoo, and Hawkins, of an otherwise meaningful storyline. What else can they do? And if they are going to fight her, there's no reason Oda can't make them win.
 
#5
If other SNs don't join the fight,it is hard for me to believe it,given what 5SN all did against Kaido and still wasn't enough.Kid also need power up like advanced CoC and as you said awakening of his DF....
 
#8
Hawkins can tank her hits by re-directing damage
Apoo can do serious damage to her with sound attacks
Kid can pressure her with his sheer strength
Killer provides support

on top of this, lets say Kid awakens his devil fruit or gets advanced CoA/CoC mid fight

why can't they win?
 
#11
NO. “ after kaido you are next big mom “ so get over it.

kid will fight against kaido after this raid completely fails.
No way. Luffy proved so far that he only cares about Kaido he didnt even gave a look to Big Mom since he is on the roof. Also it would be anticlimatic in my opinion to defeat Big Mom after Kaido. And many epic scenes are proving us that the raid wont fail.
 

Garp the Fist

Bwahahahaha
#12
Kid won’t beat her. It’s taken all five Worst Gen combined with a couple of power ups and the Red Scabbards to put Kaido in a position where Luffy can 1 vs 1 him. Tbh, if Kid and Killer beat her here it would be more impressive than Luffy beating Kaido, and that is not something Oda is going to do.

Big Mom, on the other hand, is near enough entirely unscathed. I’m not even sure that Kid and Killer can really hurt her, there’s no Carmel photo around to be smashed and I heavily doubt that Oda will let Kid steal Luffy’s thunder and start throwing around CoC blasts willynilly. Look at the method they tried ti get rid of her- they couldn’t actually damage abig Mom, they just tried to throw her away.

Kid (and Killer) will get a really good display against her, but the end for Big Mom is still turning into Olin, not actually being beaten in a fight.
 
#13
Yes, she is here to be punched by Luffy so hard she becomes O-Lin again.

But first she needs to be weakened, greatly. Her slightly superior ally, Kaido, needed a dozen or so to weaken him. It also needed for Luffy to power up. Clearly Kid and Killer won't be enough. Hawkins, Drake, Yamato, Jinbei, Marco, Law and maybe even Zoro could nerf her.
 
#15
post was good until you mentioned the other supernova.

It’s gonna be Kidd and killer vs big mom which will end in kidd vs big mom just like luffy vs kaido.

Then it will be a match of 4 conquerers other supernovas will come up later after luffy and Kidd go down after nearly beating the yonko.

Kidd and luffy taking down big mom and kaido has been foreshadowed for years.

Big mom won’t be antagonist in Elbaf. She will fall in wano which was foreshadowed when her crew mentioned who would be new captain if she died and the fact CP0 said what would happen if 2 yonko fell.

Luffy saying he will take down big mom doesn’t mean shit since luffy also said he will take down jack and yet he didn’t.

Kidd and killer also said leave big mom to us.

And if Kidd and killer fail to beat big mom the arc is over.

Luffy can’t even beat kaido 1v1 without extreme diff add in big mom and they low diff luffy.

It’s been foreshadowed. It’s also why Oda gave Kidd the whole cake plot line and wounding a sweet commander.

It’s why Oda made big mom punch kidd into the ground

Luffy vs kaido

Kidd vs big mom

Kidd is not teaming up with a trader apoo.

Kidd could get awakening in this fight but we have seen every chapter he pulls out something new.

Oda will keep pulling stuff out that he will use.

harpoon gun mech repel giant metal arm etc.

He doesn’t need awakening yet.

Odas been holding Kidd and killer back.

The last time killer or kidd even attacked kaido was chapter 1002 and now it’s chapter 1010 so that should pretty much tell you and show you he’s been holding them back.

They are also both virtually unscathed and don’t look like they were in a fight
 
#16
post was good until you mentioned the other supernova.

It’s gonna be Kidd and killer vs big mom which will end in kidd vs big mom just like luffy vs kaido.

Then it will be a match of 4 conquerers other supernovas will come up later after luffy and Kidd go down after nearly beating the yonko.

Kidd and luffy taking down big mom and kaido has been foreshadowed for years.

Big mom won’t be antagonist in Elbaf. She will fall in wano which was foreshadowed when her crew mentioned who would be new captain if she died and the fact CP0 said what would happen if 2 yonko fell.

Luffy saying he will take down big mom doesn’t mean shit since luffy also said he will take down jack and yet he didn’t.

Kidd and killer also said leave big mom to us.

And if Kidd and killer fail to beat big mom the arc is over.

Luffy can’t even beat kaido 1v1 without extreme diff add in big mom and they low diff luffy.

It’s been foreshadowed. It’s also why Oda gave Kidd the whole cake plot line and wounding a sweet commander.

It’s why Oda made big mom punch kidd into the ground

Luffy vs kaido

Kidd vs big mom

Kidd is not teaming up with a trader apoo.

Kidd could get awakening in this fight but we have seen every chapter he pulls out something new.

Oda will keep pulling stuff out that he will use.

harpoon gun mech repel giant metal arm etc.

He doesn’t need awakening yet.

Odas been holding Kidd and killer back.

The last time killer or kidd even attacked kaido was chapter 1002 and now it’s chapter 1010 so that should pretty much tell you and show you he’s been holding them back.

They are also both virtually unscathed and don’t look like they were in a fight
Bruh, the heck are you talking about.

Big Mom is basically at 95-99% HP. Has all the homies since she's probably making a new Zeus, so she is at full power. She is the only one who has a durability can be compared to Kaido somewhat.

How are Kid and Killer gonna beat her?


The best they can hope for, and that's something they could achieve, is to hit her so hard that she goes Olin again.
 
#17
Bruh, the heck are you talking about.

Big Mom is basically at 95-99% HP. Has all the homies since she's probably making a new Zeus, so she is at full power. She is the only one who has a durability can be compared to Kaido somewhat.

How are Kid and Killer gonna beat her?


The best they can hope for, and that's something they could achieve, is to hit her so hard that she goes Olin again.
Her durability > kaido. she doesn’t have a single scratch

no matter how hard she get hit she won’t become Olin.Olin was a feat of her surviving in depths of ocean.
 
#18
It took Kaidou 30 chapters of eating damage from 14 commanders level people to get to a point where Luffy could 1v1 KaidoU. Big Mom has yet to take a single damage. At best Kid and Killer are gonna stall her long enough till Luffy defeats Kaidou and she somehow gets removed from Wano.
 
#20
It’s taken all five Worst Gen combined with a couple of power ups and the Red Scabbards to put Kaido in a position where Luffy can 1 vs 1 him.
It took Kaidou 30 chapters of eating damage from 14 commanders level people to get to a point where Luffy could 1v1 KaidoU. Big Mom has yet to take a single damage.
Big Mom isn't kaido
Kaido is an (awakened) mythical zoan

His endurance is on another level from big mom's
 
Top