Character Discussion Why don't Shamrock and Gunko have a "Saint" title?

[FlyFlower]

Every Celestial Dragon we have been introduced to possess the Saint title in their name yet a certain someone does not have it in any. I believe Shamrock is not pure blooded Celestial Dragon.

Shanks mother was a commoner who got pregnant and gave birth to Shanks and Shamrock. This is why their hair color doesn’t match Garling.
Garling must have loved the woman if he acknowledged his sons and did not throw out the mother with the twins from Mary Geoise.
He had given Shanks a chance to return.

Gunko is a halfblood Celestial Dragon who is not recognized by her Celestial Dragon parents and was also a victim of Saturn's experiments like Bonney. She was recruited as a Holy Knight because they were short on recruits. They were trying to recruit Loki

Those of Impure Blood would NEVER be allowed to join them as “Saints” so Shamrock may have had to claw his way to the top by force with his Haki, skill and determination to not end up a slave like others of his kind. Making himself useful to the point where he could no longer be denied but they will never truly claim him as one of their own.

 

[NikaInParis]

Maybe they're children CDs had with slaves so they lose the oportunity to be saints (basically no inheritance) but still have CD blood in their veins so they're allowed to live in Mariejois and enjoy other benefits

 

[Fujishiro]

Gunko is a Nerona.

 

[JoNdule]

Shamrock has saint title, his family name or father was highlighted more for plot reasons

Gunko doesn't and isn't even from a CD FAMILY

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Slaves or bastard kids most likely they are not pure blood CDs .

It’s very likely Shanks and Shamrock are bastards and their mom is a slave .

 

[zzShinichi]

Seeing as the God Knights will literally take anyone strong that's not pure CD blood (Loki), then yeah it's a high possibilty that Gunko and Shamerock are bastard born from the GD family.
Now I wonder if Garling has his own legetimate sons (or daughters)

That rat family meme might become true

 

[Kōri no kokyū]

My guess is Half bred don't get Saint title.

 

[Roo]

In Shamrocks case I think it’s just to confirm that Garling, Shanks and Shamrock are all related

Gunko she might’ve been adopted by the CD

 

[moreha9685]

Maybe they're children CDs had with slaves so they lose the oportunity to be saints (basically no inheritance) but still have CD blood in their veins so they're allowed to live in Mariejois and enjoy other benefits

Makes sense.
Either this, or the "saint" title is something you have to earn. How, I'd have no fucking idea, since even bum ass Charlos has it.

 

[Dragon777]

For Shamrock Is just Oda forgetting. Garling has the St.

Since Gunko was presented with him, probably Oda didn't add the title for her too.

Oda forgets much more important details.

 

[Kōri no kokyū]

For Shamrock Is just Oda forgetting. Garling has the St.

Since Gunko was presented with him, probably Oda didn't add the title for her too.

Oda forgets much more important details.

What are your thoughts on half breed ?

 

[moreha9685]

For Shamrock Is just Oda forgetting. Garling has the St.

Since Gunko was presented with him, probably Oda didn't add the title for her too.

Oda forgets much more important details.

Or maybe Gunko isn't a saint, but Oda didn't want to reveal it yet, knowing it'd lead to a lot of fandom speculation, so instead he chose to omit it from both hers and Shamrock's intros.

 

[NikaInParis]

For Shamrock Is just Oda forgetting. Garling has the St.

Since Gunko was presented with him, probably Oda didn't add the title for her too.

Oda forgets much more important details.

Yeah, considering the stuff he did in the first chapters of Elbaf I could see this being another Oda mistake

 

[Dragon777]

What are your thoughts on half breed ?

It's a viable possibility. We know HKs are CDs, but technically were weren't said that all CDs are "St.s".

Shamrock not having would be strange though, then. Useless you think he Is an half breed too.

Also, my only concern Is that HKs seems to be "higher ranking" CDs, so a half breen "not worthy" of a St. Title but still higher ranked then most of St.s would be kind of strange.

Or maybe Gunko isn't a saint, but Oda didn't want to reveal it yet, knowing it'd lead to a lot of fandom speculation, so instead he chose to omit it from both hers and Shamrock's intros.

Maybe, yeah. There Is also the troll option as Oda does with haki.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I’m going to assume it’s because Garling Shamrock and Shanks by a slave (unless it’s a mistake and Oda just forgot to put it in)

Gunko is just odd cause she has no surname either.

 

[Kizaruber Eats]

The cynic in me wants to believe Oda is saving these for SBS Piece somehow. But surely it must be plot relevant at least with the Figarlands ofc?

A lot of us thought Oda was doing some mindfuck trickery, maybe some Loki illusionary/trickster shenanigans in the beginning of Elbaf but it turned out to be "just mistakes" and swept under the rug, with no comments from Oda or w/e about it, so maybe Oda is just making mistakes?

Gunko suddenly had trousers on in the latest chapter too IIRC? That was random and weird?

 

[MonsterKaido]

I doubt shamrock is half breed. More likely oda simply forgot to give him saint title.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

cuz only the virgin celestial dragons get that title duhh

 

[Sir Yasheen]

The cynic in me wants to believe Oda is saving these for SBS Piece somehow. But surely it must be plot relevant at least with the Figarlands ofc?

A lot of us thought Oda was doing some mindfuck trickery, maybe some Loki illusionary/trickster shenanigans in the beginning of Elbaf but it turned out to be "just mistakes" and swept under the rug, with no comments from Oda or w/e about it, so maybe Oda is just making mistakes?

Gunko suddenly had trousers on in the latest chapter too IIRC? That was random and weird?

The trousers were Arabic scans censoring

 

[Ven437]

Gunko is the Shanks of Roger crew/Law of Doflamingo Family/Bonney of Supernovas to the Holy Knights

She will be more powerful than initially shown and recruited solely bc of that potential

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The cynic in me wants to believe Oda is saving these for SBS Piece somehow. But surely it must be plot relevant at least with the Figarlands ofc?

A lot of us thought Oda was doing some mindfuck trickery, maybe some Loki illusionary/trickster shenanigans in the beginning of Elbaf but it turned out to be "just mistakes" and swept under the rug, with no comments from Oda or w/e about it, so maybe Oda is just making mistakes?

Gunko suddenly had trousers on in the latest chapter too IIRC? That was random and weird?

Nah that was just leaks fanscan shit