Why the rukia rescue mission failed where the sasuke retrieval mission succeeded

[Bob74h]

Writing out, a long essay type complaint of bleach so if your not gong to read guess you can leave
warnings aside, I'll get to the point


The arc ends with rukia staying in soul society both contradicting the setup of the plot itself and doing what amounts to wasting the viewer's time, Where the same result occurs with sasuke however with the way, it's handled and setup would be very clear that there will be a narrative follow up to that ending meaning despite not getting desired result there was still something accomplished narratively that being sasuke's abandonment of konoha which comes into play later seriously what does rukia's realignment with the people who wanted to murder her even do for the plot later on?

I mean, The whole ending with sasuke getting away only made sense cause he was a willing subject in wanting to leave where rukia was forcibly taken from earth by renji and byakuya. It takes the aspects of naruto ie ally chooses to stay with existing opposing faction and just ignores the context which made the scene work.

 

[Roo]

It failed? it actually did a great job at introducing the big bad of the story

 

[MonsterKaido]

Lol Soul society arc >> Sasuke retrieval arc. Chunin exam arc is more comparable

 

[Jaguark101]

Writing out, a long essay type complaint of bleach so if your not gong to read guess you can leave
warnings aside, I'll get to the point


The arc ends with rukia staying in soul society both contradicting the setup of the plot itself and doing what amounts to wasting the viewer's time, Where the same result occurs with sasuke however with the way, it's handled and setup would be very clear that there will be a narrative follow up to that ending meaning despite not getting desired result there was still something accomplished narratively that being sasuke's abandonment of konoha which comes into play later seriously what does rukia's realignment with the people who wanted to murder her even do for the plot later on?

I mean, The whole ending with sasuke getting away only made sense cause he was a willing subject in wanting to leave where rukia was forcibly taken from earth by renji and byakuya. It takes the aspects of naruto ie ally chooses to stay with existing opposing faction and just ignores the context which made the scene work.

Rukia's entire character arc in SS is overcoming and accepting her guilt for what happened with kaien and she finally gets that at the end when Ganju and Kukau forgive her plus the fact that the ending of the ichigo and Byakuya fight clearly explains Byakuya's philosophy of why he did what he did and his fight with Ichigo changed his mindset and finally allowed him to mend the broken bridge in his relationship with rukia AND the final fact being that EVERYONE was being manipulated in that arc by Aizen and once they all learned the truth they allied with Ichigo and co etc.

 

[Bob74h]

It failed? it actually did a great job at introducing the big bad of the story

The arc did that sure but it had no connection to the actual plotline of the show
Aizen fake dies off screen with no connection to rukia and comes back after fake dying with no connection to rukia or any of the main characters instead having a scene with minahori and toshiro both of whom are very minor characters

Aizen's introduction into the narrative had nothing to do with the rukia plotline, It had to do with a side story which was about who killed the captain which went nowhere and wasted time which could of been spent on the main plot instead


Compare that with orochimaru, His entire presence is what motivates sasuke in this arc and acts as the catalyst for the events which occur like without orochimaru as a behind the scenes figure then sasuke would have no reason to leave konoha as there would have been no temptation to that power of his


Your doing exactly. What i accused people of in op
Taking a scene which made sense in naruto and applying that context to bleach

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Rukia's entire character arc in SS is overcoming and accepting her guilt for what happened with kaien and she finally gets that at the end when Ganju and Kukau forgive her plus the fact that the ending of the ichigo and Byakuya fight clearly explains Byakuya's philosophy of why he did what he did and his fight with Ichigo changed his mindset and finally allowed him to mend the broken bridge in his relationship with rukia AND the final fact being that EVERYONE was being manipulated in that arc by Aizen and once they all learned the truth they allied with Ichigo and co etc.

If that's what you took away from the soul society arc then you clearly didt watch it
there's one scene where ganju confronts rukia and it's barely given any narrative weight as a, ganju tries to save her away and b it's scratched off at the end of arc for no apparent reason


There's more focus on her relationship with byukuya interrupting her friendship with renji if anything else, I mean we get the entirety of their backstory together so yea idk where the tf you got the shiba siblings being a key thing from when byakuya at the end of the narrative retcons his character so to have a conclusion to the relationships set up

Lol Soul society arc >> Sasuke retrieval arc. Chunin exam arc is more comparable

soul society arc is the worst anime arc, I have ever seen by far
sao has more internal consistency

Rukia is portrayed to be treated like garbage by the ss folks and was wanted to get killed by them, But they all friends by the end cause reasons
Sao, Had asuka in the same situation held as a captive against her will however unlike with bleach, Asuka is not portrayed to be friends with sugou later cause that would be retarded


I will die on this hill, Sao fairy dance arc >>> soul society arc

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Ichigo not knowing shiba as a surname is beyond retarded
i get, the writers didt yet make his dad have the same surname but from a narrative perspective just beyond stupid that ichigo wouldt have recognized his father's maiden name

with how people talk about bleach and naruto, I swear none of them even watched these shows

 

[Shinchi Kudo]

Aizen's introduction into the narrative had nothing to do with the rukia plotline, It had to do with a side story which was about who killed the captain which went nowhere and wasted time which could of been spent on the main plot instead


Compare that with orochimaru, His entire presence is what motivates sasuke in this arc and acts as the catalyst for the events which occur like without orochimaru as a behind the scenes figure then sasuke would have no reason to leave konoha as there would have been no temptation to that power of his

R u trolling here? Aizen had everything to do with the Rukia thing. He was the one pulling the strings the entire time, the reason why she was even taken away. How tf r u gonna say that Orochimaru acted as a catalyst for those events with Sasuke, but not Aizen with Rukia? thats.

u really said Aizen was a side story and not part of the main plot??

If that's what you took away from the soul society arc then you clearly didt watch it
there's one scene where ganju confronts rukia and it's barely given any narrative weight as a, ganju tries to save her away and b it's scratched off at the end of arc for no apparent reason


There's more focus on her relationship with byukuya interrupting her friendship with renji if anything else, I mean we get the entirety of their backstory together so yea idk where the tf you got the shiba siblings being a key thing from when byakuya at the end of the narrative retcons his character so to have a conclusion to the relationships set up

huh??? that scene where Ganju confronts Rukia was given a enough time tf? He spent time hesitating and then Byakuya shows up and bodies him.

also the Shiba thing was from the Kaien backstory, r u even watching the entire arc? she finally accepted what happens with Kukaku and Ganju forgiving her. what retcons to his character r u talking about? do u understand what development is?

soul society arc is the worst anime arc, I have ever seen by far
sao has more internal consistency



Rukia is portrayed to be treated like garbage by the ss folks and was wanted to get killed by them, But they all friends by the end cause reasons
Sao, Had asuka in the same situation held as a captive against her will however unlike with bleach, Asuka is not portrayed to be friends with sugou later cause that would be retarded

L take. L opinions. imagine saying sao > ss arc. yikes

Rukia was treated like garbage cuz of Aizen's manipulation. this is shown at the end, like tf u mean for "reasons". they understood that it was not her fault but Aizen's. u got problems reading/watching

I will die on this hill, Sao fairy dance arc >>> soul society arc

another L take.

Ichigo not knowing shiba as a surname is beyond retarded
i get, the writers didt yet make his dad have the same surname but from a narrative perspective just beyond stupid that ichigo wouldt have recognized his father's maiden name

with how people talk about bleach and naruto, I swear none of them even watched these shows

Ichigo not knowing the Shiba surname isn't retarded, ur just retarded lmao. how tf u expect him to know if his dad was keeping this shit a secret most of the time and changed his last name. actual goof.

he's known his dad as Isshin Kurosaki the entire time, not Shiba

it's almost like you watched the entire thing blind and muted

 

[T2K Baka]

Not gonna lie, I don't know what you mean by SS arc failing. I think you need to re-watch it again or something.

 

[Bob74h]

R u trolling here? Aizen had everything to do with the Rukia thing. He was the one pulling the strings the entire time, the reason why she was even taken away. How tf r u gonna say that Orochimaru acted as a catalyst for those events with Sasuke, but not Aizen with Rukia? thats.

Aizen didt act as a catalyst for anything related to rukia, Your applying context from naruto and acting like it applies to bleach

Rukia was kidnapped by the shingami duo because she gave a human, her powers and was sent to execution as punishment
that occurs wither or not, Aizen was even born

It's not about me being biased towards naruto and unfairly saying aizen was not a lead figure all to validate some personal hatred, it's literally just the facts of the narrative

Aizen was not a catalyst for the events of anything where orochimaru was, If the sound 4 didt show up as per orochimaru's orders then sasuke retival arc literally does not happen
The equivalent event in ss was the kidnapping of rukia, Which exists separate to aizen.

it's not bias, it's called naruto objectively wrote it's respective villain better at least within this arc

huh??? that scene where Ganju confronts Rukia was given a enough time tf?

The conflict didt even last 5 minutes before bykuya showed up and fodderized ganju
It's made very clear from that scene which your citing that it's byakuya who's of relevant concern not the stupid side plot with the shiba siblings but you watched the show with bias or didt watch it at all so you have zero idea what your talking about

u really said Aizen was a side story and not part of the main plot??

it's not apart of the main plot not in the soul society arc
his scenes occur with toshiro and some other minor characters, Ichigo's fights with kenpachi and ikkaku are stuff in the main plot not the mystery of aizen's death. Does anyone in the ryoka even bloody know that aizen fake died? the answer is no and so yea not relevant to the main cast cause none of them even know of the ordeal


you dont get aizen as a main plot thread until far later in the anime

what retcons to his character r u talking about

went from stoic no emotions, laws over feelings guy to actually i love rukia
It's very clear what, I was talking about and you know it

as you tried to excuse it with character development meaning you knew what the hell i meant and were just baiting me
No scene prior to the reveal at all, Fucking indicated that byakuya gave one shit about the sister who he adopted so you can say but character devolvement all you want wont change that it actually was not that as to have character development, you need development and as we know there's no bulidup or setup related to the reveal mentioned so you can shut up and keep being fucking retarded

do u understand what development is?

another L take.

Fucking says, I have a l take and he's wrong on everything which he has ever said, typical fandom types all retard no brain

Ichigo not knowing the Shiba surname isn't retarded, ur just retarded lmao. how tf u expect him to know if his dad was keeping this shit a secret most of the time and changed his last name. actual goof.

Whatever bitch man, keep stanning for the retarded ass fandom which will forget about your sorry ass cause you just repeat everything everyone else says like the good nameless sheep that you are
Ichigo would know his father's maiden name, Do you not know your mother's maiden name or are you stupid to understand what a maiden name would be??

Not gonna lie, I don't know what you mean by SS arc failing. I think you need to re-watch it again or something.

Was talking about the rukia portion and how it's horribly wrote in the same aspects where nauto's retrival mission did just fine
You know this but you just like to quote people out of context just to make, your shitty show looks like it's wrote better then it actually would be

The thread verbatim has the words rukia rescue mission in the title, you know full well that your taking me out of context here
bleach is so great yet fans need to take the critic here out of context, acting like he's talking about the entire arc instead of just the rukia rescue plot line

 

[Roo]

@Bob74h i thought Aizen pretty much manipulated everyone into executing Rukia. To say it was a minor plot it’s underselling it

 

[Bob74h]

@Bob74h i thought Aizen pretty much manipulated everyone into executing Rukia. To say it was a minor plot it’s underselling it

Giving human shingami powers, Was stated as a crime
That's why renji and byakuya adducted her and why she was sent to execution