Versus Battle Zaheer(post enlightenment) vs fire lord ozai(without sozin's comet)

#1
I feel like Ozai is heavily overrated and zaheer is heavily underrated. Most of ozai's insane feats were due to sozin's comet, which turns flames that would otherwise be no stronger than a military flamethrower, into weapons of mass destruction.

I feel like you could honestly make an argument for Azula being above Ozai, as Azula uses blue flames and is shown in the opening of the show(along masters of every other element).

Comet aside, Ozai himself isn't that impressive. Zuko could have killed him, but chose to redirect his lightning into the ground, instead. Aang could have killed him without the avatar state, but chose to redirect his lightning into the sky because Aang's a buddhist and doesn't kill. It is very likely that if not for Sozin's comet, Aang might have honestly mid diffed him without the avatar state.

Zaheer on the other hand is one of the strongest airbenders who ever lived. Yes, he was getting beaten up by tenzin, but that was only before his enlightenment. Once P'li died, Zaheer gained enlightenment and obtained the ability to fly. This is an ability that is so rare that literally nobody in the series has it: not Aang, not tenzin, and not any of the past avatars. The only other people who can do something similar to this are appa and the flying bison, the original airbenders.

Bhumi(aang's son) exclaimed how insane zaheer's movements were, and he has seen both aang and tenzin airbend.

Tenzin himself stated that Zaheer was using airbending that hadn't existed for thousands of years.

overall, this leads me to say that without Sozin's comet, Zaheer could probably defeat Ozai. I'll give Ozai the benefit of the doubt as firebending master and say that Zaheer could high diff him, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was a mid or low diff, as like I said before, Zaheer is one of the strongest airbenders in the series.
 
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#2
Zuko and aang almost killing ozai with lighting redirection doesnt make ozai overrated. That is a techinique that was invented by iroh and 99% of the population isnt aware of it

Ozai is not overrated, he is clearly the strongest bender in the original series if you exclude aang and iroh

He’s firebending feats are insane and he generates lightning much faster than iroh or azula ever did showing his superiority. Even iroh isnt sure if he can beat ozai
 
#3
Ozai is not overrated, he is clearly the strongest bender in the original series if you exclude aang and iroh
I don't know how much that really means. The legend of korra characters are all much stronger than similar characters in the last airbender. Lightning bending is common place, metal bending is common place, ect.

But still, I don't think Ozai's firebending has as much hype as zaheer's airbending. Zaheer was legitmately one of the best airbenders who ever lived. Idk if we can really say the same for Ozai.
 
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#4
I don't know how much that really means. The legend of korra characters are all much stronger than similar characters in the last airbender. Lightning bending is common place, metal bending is common place, ect.

But still, I don't think Ozai's firebending has as much hype as zaheer's airbending. Zaheer was legitimately one of the best airbenders who ever lived. Idk if we can really say the same for Ozai.
I don't have a problem with you thinking zaheer beats ozai. it was just more the part of downplaying ozai because of zuko/aang redirecting his lightning that bugged me, ozai had no idea that is even possible. his firebending was superior to aang using all four elements before he activated the avatar state and as I said in the previous post, the speed that he used lightning is way faster than iroh and azula

i feel confident that ozai can defeat anyone in the original series with the exception of an avatar in the avatar state if he has knowledge about kightning redirection before the fight starts. ozai's firebending was better then anyone elses individual bending in the original series


you're right that the game is very different in legend of korra and villains seem way stronger.
 
#5
I don't have a problem with you thinking zaheer beats ozai. it was just more the part of downplaying ozai because of zuko/aang redirecting his lightning that bugged me, ozai had no idea that is even possible. his firebending was superior to aang using all four elements before he activated the avatar state and as I said in the previous post, the speed that he used lightning is way faster than iroh and azula

i feel confident that ozai can defeat anyone in the original series with the exception of an avatar in the avatar state if he has knowledge about kightning redirection before the fight starts. ozai's firebending was better then anyone elses individual bending in the original series


you're right that the game is very different in legend of korra and villains seem way stronger.
I think aang could beat ozai without the avatar state. The thing about Aang vs Ozai, as it occured in the show is that it occured during sozin's comet, which makes firebending insanely overpowered.

Ozai was a firebending master whereas firebending was most likely Aang's weakest element as it was the one that he mastered the latest and hence didn't have much time to train in. You can see this as almost anytime Ozai attacks aang(pre avatar state), aang blocks with one of the other elements, I think the only time Aang even used firebending directly against Ozai pre-avatar state was when he redirected lightning. Its because of this that Sozin's comet heavily favored Ozai over Aang.
 
#6
Ozai is not overrated, he is clearly the strongest bender in the original series if you exclude aang and iroh
in fact the creator said he is the strongest Fire Bender of all times ... so in terms of raw power he is even above Iroh himself

but Iroh can beat him cause he have a deeper understanding of fire

Skill > Power

nonetheless ... Ozai still is the man ... but Amon neg diff him and zaheer
 
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