Versus Battle Zeno (Dragon Ball Super) vs zeedmillenniummon (Digimon) vs Kami Muyo vs Madoka
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Zeno dies in the crossfire, he is basically unable to affect any of them due their transcendence. All of them operate on a multiversal scale far beyond the capacity of the Dragonball franchise and some of them even operate also in higher dimensional layers.
Kami Tenchi can be wanked a lot, but the verse is still very powerful, same with Madoka and especially Digimon. Since my knowledge on Digimon isn´t that great for me it will be a fight between Madoka and Kami.
Kami Tenchi can be wanked a lot, but the verse is still very powerful, same with Madoka and especially Digimon. Since my knowledge on Digimon isn´t that great for me it will be a fight between Madoka and Kami.
@Bob74h
Can you explain to me why you thought it's a remotely good idea to include Zeno against these characters? He's not even like an ant compared to them... He is like a random paper sketch which people look at but throw at the trashbin because it's actually bad. Dimensional layers matter. 1D < 2D < 3D < 4D < ... < 11D. Regardless of how powerful 2D characters look like, they can never physically influence the 3D world at all, the same with the 4th dimension. Zeno is totally out of place here.
Can you explain to me why you thought it's a remotely good idea to include Zeno against these characters? He's not even like an ant compared to them... He is like a random paper sketch which people look at but throw at the trashbin because it's actually bad. Dimensional layers matter. 1D < 2D < 3D < 4D < ... < 11D. Regardless of how powerful 2D characters look like, they can never physically influence the 3D world at all, the same with the 4th dimension. Zeno is totally out of place here.
Dimensional layers matter if those dimensions actually transcend lower ones. There are exceptions like verses which used M-Theory for example (STTGL, ToAru, etc.) with 11-D structures, which doesn´t grant them any cosmological advantage as they can be still affected by the laws of physics across all dimensions, mostly via gravity manipulation and time manipulation. In that case it would be more a question of range to affect those beings, but they aren´t really invulnerable.
I can give you an example from the verse Lessa which even use one RF layer, but in a case of non-transcendence:
Basically, the creator operates from a higher dimensional structure and treat the lower world comparable to a comic/magazine whatever. However, the lower and higher dimensions are connected to eachother, and some physical laws ignore the dimensional boundaries (Which isn´t the case if the dimensions transcend them, because the distance becomes infinity and beyond)
Like you can see here:
Those are temporal dimensions, not even spatial(Which would be still inferior to true transcendental dimensions)
A verse like Honkai Impact for example suffers the same problem:
Those were just two examples. In fact, dimensional superiority isn´t an auto-win. Sometimes it would probably force both sides into a stalemate, as both sides were unable to interact with eachother.
My knowledge on Digimon is too vague, but from what i heard they used fully transcendental dimensions, which means they are superior as a whole, Tenchi Muyo depends on the interpretation. Madoka transcend her multiverse and becomes an Observer which has clearly elements as some higher dimensional entity.
Zeno was able to erase a big part of a timeline iirc, but he still is bound by timelines as every new branched timeline also contained a new Zeno. He clearly has no higher dimensional existence, especially not since he isn´t a Singularity. He also would be still unable to affect those beings, because Zeno lacks of range to affect them.
I can give you an example from the verse Lessa which even use one RF layer, but in a case of non-transcendence:
Basically, the creator operates from a higher dimensional structure and treat the lower world comparable to a comic/magazine whatever. However, the lower and higher dimensions are connected to eachother, and some physical laws ignore the dimensional boundaries (Which isn´t the case if the dimensions transcend them, because the distance becomes infinity and beyond)
Like you can see here:
Those are temporal dimensions, not even spatial(Which would be still inferior to true transcendental dimensions)
A verse like Honkai Impact for example suffers the same problem:
Those were just two examples. In fact, dimensional superiority isn´t an auto-win. Sometimes it would probably force both sides into a stalemate, as both sides were unable to interact with eachother.
My knowledge on Digimon is too vague, but from what i heard they used fully transcendental dimensions, which means they are superior as a whole, Tenchi Muyo depends on the interpretation. Madoka transcend her multiverse and becomes an Observer which has clearly elements as some higher dimensional entity.
Zeno was able to erase a big part of a timeline iirc, but he still is bound by timelines as every new branched timeline also contained a new Zeno. He clearly has no higher dimensional existence, especially not since he isn´t a Singularity. He also would be still unable to affect those beings, because Zeno lacks of range to affect them.
We know that there were around 18 universes before, but Zeno destroyed 6 of them iirc simultaneously. Problem is that was never shown on panel, more just a statement, about a feat which happend in the past. But all that is less impressive to erasing a timeline, or just a part of it, because you will come really quickly beyond those 6 universes in numbers. A timeline generated the past, present and future of a universe. That past, present and future is each moment in time, where that universe exist. If you not only erase the present universe, but also the past of it, you also erased the universe for example 60 times in a minute, if a moment = 1 universe in time. It is one and the same universe, but the very effect thanks to the chain reaction could affect hundreds, thousends, or billions of universes with the erasure of just a small part of a timeline. Meanwhile destroying a universe would be just destroying one universe in the present. Depends on how those timeline works the same universe either stops to exist in the future, or because of events are separated from possibilities, that event create another branch in the timeline, like for example Trunks did when he generated a paradox.
Dimensional layers matter if those dimensions actually transcend lower ones. There are exceptions like verses which used M-Theory for example (STTGL, ToAru, etc.) with 11-D structures, which doesn´t grant them any cosmological advantage as they can be still affected by the laws of physics across all dimensions, mostly via gravity manipulation and time manipulation. In that case it would be more a question of range to affect those beings, but they aren´t really invulnerable.
I can give you an example from the verse Lessa which even use one RF layer, but in a case of non-transcendence:
Basically, the creator operates from a higher dimensional structure and treat the lower world comparable to a comic/magazine whatever. However, the lower and higher dimensions are connected to eachother, and some physical laws ignore the dimensional boundaries (Which isn´t the case if the dimensions transcend them, because the distance becomes infinity and beyond)
Like you can see here:
Those are temporal dimensions, not even spatial(Which would be still inferior to true transcendental dimensions)
A verse like Honkai Impact for example suffers the same problem:
Those were just two examples. In fact, dimensional superiority isn´t an auto-win. Sometimes it would probably force both sides into a stalemate, as both sides were unable to interact with eachother.
My knowledge on Digimon is too vague, but from what i heard they used fully transcendental dimensions, which means they are superior as a whole, Tenchi Muyo depends on the interpretation. Madoka transcend her multiverse and becomes an Observer which has clearly elements as some higher dimensional entity.
Zeno was able to erase a big part of a timeline iirc, but he still is bound by timelines as every new branched timeline also contained a new Zeno. He clearly has no higher dimensional existence, especially not since he isn´t a Singularity. He also would be still unable to affect those beings, because Zeno lacks of range to affect them.
I can give you an example from the verse Lessa which even use one RF layer, but in a case of non-transcendence:
Basically, the creator operates from a higher dimensional structure and treat the lower world comparable to a comic/magazine whatever. However, the lower and higher dimensions are connected to eachother, and some physical laws ignore the dimensional boundaries (Which isn´t the case if the dimensions transcend them, because the distance becomes infinity and beyond)
Like you can see here:
Those are temporal dimensions, not even spatial(Which would be still inferior to true transcendental dimensions)
A verse like Honkai Impact for example suffers the same problem:
Those were just two examples. In fact, dimensional superiority isn´t an auto-win. Sometimes it would probably force both sides into a stalemate, as both sides were unable to interact with eachother.
My knowledge on Digimon is too vague, but from what i heard they used fully transcendental dimensions, which means they are superior as a whole, Tenchi Muyo depends on the interpretation. Madoka transcend her multiverse and becomes an Observer which has clearly elements as some higher dimensional entity.
Zeno was able to erase a big part of a timeline iirc, but he still is bound by timelines as every new branched timeline also contained a new Zeno. He clearly has no higher dimensional existence, especially not since he isn´t a Singularity. He also would be still unable to affect those beings, because Zeno lacks of range to affect them.
