Questions & Mysteries Zoro’s dream rivals?

[BOCCHI]

So we know Zoro wants to be WSS, but has yet to face a swordsman who wish to achieve the same title? Why is that? And why does Zoro lack opponents who are actual swordsman not saying he never had one cuz he clearly did, but none showed great skill. Most great swordsmen are allies in some way like wano samurai and Vista. Why does Oda not provide Zoro opponents who have the same dream? Even those swordsmen he fought never wanted that title.


Your thoughts.

 

[Chrono]

WSS is a bullshit title that nobody wants. Roger was the WSS….and he settled for PK.

Rayleigh was next in line….didnt give a fuck about it.

 

[The White Crane]

So we know Zoro wants to be WSS, but has yet to face a swordsman who wish to achieve the same title? Why is that? And why does Zoro lack opponents who are actual swordsman not saying he never had one cuz he clearly did, but none showed great skill. Most great swordsmen are allies in some way like wano samurai and Vista. Why does Oda not provide Zoro opponents who have the same dream? Even those swordsmen he fought never wanted that title.


Your thoughts.

Because Zoro's dream matters only to himself, just like most people's dreams. I genuinely believe Oda wrote it this way to reiterate that the value of your dream is really your own business. Just because it is only you who wants it in the whole world, does not mean it's worthless, because your dedication to it can and will still mean that you are capable of standing among the greats.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

The closest we got was Tashigi. But then her goal was trying to take back every famed swords from every pirates. Just like bounty hunters, Oda doesn't even bother to expand on other potential swordsman with the same goal as Zoro's.

 

[Finalbeta]

WSS is a bullshit title that nobody wants. Roger was the WSS….and he settled for PK.

Rayleigh was next in line….didnt give a fuck about it.

Was he?

Last time I checked Whitebeard was probably a swordsman. He wielded Murakumogiri literally one of the 12 supreme swords.

 

[Rottkins]

To become one of the best he have to at some point make a tour defeating each of the strongest finishing on Mihawk tho

 

[ConquistadoR]

Because that journey isn't centered around beating their competition like the race for the PK is, but to surpass the current WSS. People who want to be the WSS put their effort into challenging Mihawk for a 1v1 and then defeating him. They don't go around fighting other WSS challengers, we were shown this clearly when Zoro fought Mihawk in a 1v1 in East Blue itself. He didn't go around looking for better swordsmen than him who were also aiming for the WSS, but rather challenged the current WSS to a 1v1.

 

[BOCCHI]

Last time I checked Whitebeard was probably a swordsman. He wielded Murakumogiri literally one of the 12 supreme swords.

WB was never a swordsman nor was his weapon considered a sword. Murakumogiri has a blade and that doesn’t make it a sword.
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Because that journey isn't centered around beating their competition like the race for the PK is, but to surpass the current WSS. People who want to be the WSS put their effort into challenging Mihawk for a 1v1 and then defeating him. They don't go around fighting other WSS challengers, we were shown this clearly when Zoro fought Mihawk in a 1v1 in East Blue itself. He didn't go around looking for better swordsmen than him who were also aiming for the WSS, but rather challenged the current WSS to a 1v1.

The issue is not looking around for challenger who have the same goal, but existing rivals who are after the dream, whether challengers want to take out each other or not is a different matter.

 

[ConquistadoR]

The issue is not looking around for challenger who have the same goal, but existing rivals who are after the dream, whether challengers want to take out each other or not is a different matter.

You take the same thing and apply to the other challengers as well. Their journey is centered around getting strong enough to beat Mihawk and that's it. Unless through coincidence or some other narrative point, there is no need for someone who is on the journey to make his captain the PK and someone who's getting stronger to beat Mihawk meet.

Plus it's not like we don't have a character that has consistently dueled with Mihawk before during times when Mihawk was the more famous figure.

 

[roronoa_fan]

Because to be the swordsman you have to defeat Mihawk. A swordsman who wanted to be the strongest doesn't need to fight Zoro, he needs to fight Mihawk.

To be King of the Pirates you have to find One Piece, so there is a rivalry in the quest to see who finds it first, the pirates fight each other to overcome/cross each other's path.

That doesn't exist with Zoro's goal, anyone who thinks they can be the next WSS just needs to challenge Mihawk, as Zoro already did.

 

[Tai long]

why do you have to beat mihawk to be the was, can't you just do something, that everyone will accept that you are stronger than mihawk, like beat the wsm or wsc

 

[roronoa_fan]

Because that journey isn't centered around beating their competition like the race for the PK is, but to surpass the current WSS. People who want to be the WSS put their effort into challenging Mihawk for a 1v1 and then defeating him. They don't go around fighting other WSS challengers, we were shown this clearly when Zoro fought Mihawk in a 1v1 in East Blue itself. He didn't go around looking for better swordsmen than him who were also aiming for the WSS, but rather challenged the current WSS to a 1v1.

If I had seen your reply I wouldn't have written. That's exactly it.

 

[Mr.9000]

I think Oda has too much on his plate to create rivals who want to be the WSS. Its ambiguous, but plenty swordsman yearn to be the best; Vista(master swordsman) goes for Mihawk, because hes known as the best. I think we would get a better picture on why we dnt see many challengers for the title, because of Mihawk own journey to be the best. Most people know they have no chance to be the best, where you have to surpass Shanks to be taken seriously

 

[sneko]

Why bother with rivalries? There's already a WSS, Zoro doesn't need to bother with other small fries and just go straight for the best of the best.
And it's oda we talking even if he has rivals it's not like he'll gave his rivalry enough panel time considering he's busy sucking Luffy dick, he didn't even bother giving Zoro a proper backstory so far.

 

[Shasha23]

why do you have to beat mihawk to be the was, can't you just do something, that everyone will accept that you are stronger than mihawk, like beat the wsm or wsc

Never did the story imply that WSM and WSC are stronger than WSS, and given current events, it turns out WSS will be above WSM and WSC.

 

[Finalbeta]

I don't think he has got many rivals of his caliber

I can only think of Mihawk himself, Shiryu as the most prominent ones at the moment on paper. Maybe Ghandi but some of these probably don't care about the title

 

[HA001]

Why would these would be rivals fight zoro of they have the same dream ? Instead of going to fight mihawk

 

[Tai long]

Never did the story imply that WSM and WSC are stronger than WSS, and given current events, it turns out WSS will be above WSM and WSC.

In what world would the wss be stronger than the wsm

 

[draganax]

oda follows a simple formula when it comes to zoro, to become the WSS he only needs to beat one man, and that man is mihawk.
it's a cut-throat business, there's no checkpoints, no silver medallists, only one throne at the top, and only one man to sit on it.
nobody cares about the 2nd strongest.
even the yonko are only relevant because some of them possess red poneglyphs, and they're part of a machine created by the WG. before roger they were only called "great pirates", i'm sure even now there's a lot of "great swordsmen" too.

 

[Shasha23]

In what world would the wss be stronger than the wsm

In what world is the WSM stronger than WSS or WSC?