Character Discussion Zoro faithed Sunacchi moment IS BUSTED

#1
let's begin , definition of Sunacchi
"Sunacchi" is an abbreviation for a phrase translating to "Throw Away Your Name and Wits"
Now we can clearly see that this definition is EXTREMELY important , it's specifically related to Shimotsuki Ushimaru line while being imprisoned by Kaido
yamato asks : who are you?
Ushimaru : "I'm NOBODY important", also translated as "I'm So and So" by the official
Also in Zoro's flashback (Zoro vs King) during Zoro's realization of the true nature of cursed blades
we can see that this fated word "Sunacchi" is once again slapped in our faces
Also remember how the Kaido fight started?

Now we know that this word IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT and it's significance in relation to Zoro still hasn't been shown.Oda went OUT OF HIS WAY to tell us that Zoro NEVER USED Sunacchi

Now let's think about the sentence : "throw away your name and wits", THIS SENTENCE IS NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY , why?
well , in the same chapter that the scabbards charged Kaido and screamed Sunacchi is ALSO the same chapter where Momo DECLARES HIS NAME IN FRONTO OF KAIDO , wich it would SEEM that this is the exact opposite of sunacchi but it's really not.
BASICALLY this is the equivalent of a Zen Buddhist principle :
Zen Buddhism shows that there is no antithesis of self and “no-self.” Paradoxically, the true nature of self becomes known only by inquiring, doubting, and negating self.
It's also interesting to note that Momo never screamed Sunacchi yet , why? well i think that it's pretty obvious
Before you throw away your name you need to define yourself , it's the zen buddhist paradox i just mentioned , before he negates himself he has to FIRST define himself.
Let's now move this concept to the scabbards and finally to Zoro :
So we have defined a 2 step process
1) define yourself
2) negate yourself
how did the scabbards defined themselves? they declared multiple times that they want to die to avenge Oden , i think this is exactly why their Sunacchi battle cry was WEAK , their definition of themselves was already a negation , THEY DEFINED THEMSELVES IN DEATH JUST LIKE KAIDO WHO IS FAITHED TO FAIL JUST LIKE THE SCABBARDS

So the first step is KEY to have a successfull second step , THE STRONGER IS YOUR DEFINITION OF SELF , THE MORE POWERFUL IT IS TO THROW IT ALL AWAY
i bet this last sentence triggered a bell in zoro fans :
Zoro who had the grandest ambition of all the straw hats threw it all away
So my point is :
1) Zoro WILL USE SUNACCHI 100% against Kaido : the fight started with a failed sunacchi but will end with a succesfull sunacchi
i also think that the recoil will kill Zoro as well , but that's for another Zoro wank thread.





definition of Sunacchi
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Sunacchi
shimotsuki kozaburo
https://onepiece.fandom.com/it/wiki/Shimotsuki_Ushimaru
Zen Buddhism definition of self
https://link.springer.com/article/1...ies.-,Self in Buddhism,(Majjhima Nikaya, 192).
 
#4
Uh well, Zoro wants his name to reach the heavens...
exactly , Zoro's definition of self is literally THE BIGGEST ON THE PLANET wich would result in a CRAZY POWERFUL Sunacchi battle cry when throwing it away
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Uh well, Zoro wants his name to reach the heavens...
can't wait for Lanji and mid fans to hide in their bunkers when Zoro and Kaido fight again
 
#5
interesting i def believe he will say it,it just makes to much sense ...tag me in your post im interested in the zoro death one that u will drop
let's begin , definition of Sunacchi
"Sunacchi" is an abbreviation for a phrase translating to "Throw Away Your Name and Wits"
Now we can clearly see that this definition is EXTREMELY important , it's specifically related to Shimotsuki Ushimaru line while being imprisoned by Kaido
yamato asks : who are you?
Ushimaru : "I'm NOBODY important", also translated as "I'm So and So" by the official
Also in Zoro's flashback (Zoro vs King) during Zoro's realization of the true nature of cursed blades
we can see that this fated word "Sunacchi" is once again slapped in our faces
Also remember how the Kaido fight started?

Now we know that this word IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT and it's significance in relation to Zoro still hasn't been shown.Oda went OUT OF HIS WAY to tell us that Zoro NEVER USED Sunacchi

Now let's think about the sentence : "throw away your name and wits", THIS SENTENCE IS NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY , why?
well , in the same chapter that the scabbards charged Kaido and screamed Sunacchi is ALSO the same chapter where Momo DECLARES HIS NAME IN FRONTO OF KAIDO , wich it would SEEM that this is the exact opposite of sunacchi but it's really not.
BASICALLY this is the equivalent of a Zen Buddhist principle :
Zen Buddhism shows that there is no antithesis of self and “no-self.” Paradoxically, the true nature of self becomes known only by inquiring, doubting, and negating self.
It's also interesting to note that Momo never screamed Sunacchi yet , why? well i think that it's pretty obvious
Before you throw away your name you need to define yourself , it's the zen buddhist paradox i just mentioned , before he negates himself he has to FIRST define himself.
Let's now move this concept to the scabbards and finally to Zoro :
So we have defined a 2 step process
1) define yourself
2) negate yourself
how did the scabbards defined themselves? they declared multiple times that they want to die to avenge Oden , i think this is exactly why their Sunacchi battle cry was WEAK , their definition of themselves was already a negation , THEY DEFINED THEMSELVES IN DEATH JUST LIKE KAIDO WHO IS FAITHED TO FAIL JUST LIKE THE SCABBARDS

So the first step is KEY to have a successfull second step , THE STRONGER IS YOUR DEFINITION OF SELF , THE MORE POWERFUL IT IS TO THROW IT ALL AWAY
i bet this last sentence triggered a bell in zoro fans :
Zoro who had the grandest ambition of all the straw hats threw it all away
So my point is :
1) Zoro WILL USE SUNACCHI 100% against Kaido : the fight started with a failed sunacchi but will end with a succesfull sunacchi
i also think that the recoil will kill Zoro as well , but that's for another Zoro wank thread.





definition of Sunacchi
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Sunacchi
shimotsuki kozaburo
https://onepiece.fandom.com/it/wiki/Shimotsuki_Ushimaru
Zen Buddhism definition of self
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10943-021-01437-w#:~:text=through psychoanalytic theories.-,Self in Buddhism,(Majjhima Nikaya, 192).
 
#6
It's very simple tbh
Zoro said "The Power to Cut Everything is the same Power to Cut Nothing"
That was what he learned in Arabasta Arc, which was taught to him by Koushirou

So now, Zoro is entering his Next Major Realization which will make him finally able to Challenge Mihawk
"The Courage to declare your Name even to Heavens is the same as the Courage needed to throw away your Name"

It might sound confusing & contradictory, but Zoro needs to become "The Nameless"
That's the Name that can reach Heavens & stand above the rest

If you think about it, being able to Cut Nothing means the Sword completely obeys it's Wielder to the point that it can't even do it's Basic Function, so it makes sense that such Control would allow the Wielder to use that Sword to cut Anything

So applying this on Sunacchi, it means that if you can Subdue your own Will & be strong enough to make it forfeit itself (Throw away your Identity & Wits), then that means you have Complete Control over your Willpower, which will allow the User to unleash their Full Potential.
(PS: Scabbards vs Kaidou is a Major Example, even though he knows Haki very well, he was surprised by Scabbards Ability to hurt him & found it confusing, so imagine Zoro's Sunacchi Moment !!! And what he would be able to do)

This is why Mihawk gained interest in Zoro the moment he said "Defeat is worse than Death", so seeing that Courage to throw away his Life for the sake of his Ambition, Mihawk knew that Zoro have Massive Potential, which was directly hinted when he asked for his Name right away & also said that he haven't seen such Courage in a long time, and after he defeated him, he said "Know your Will"

This is also why Oda made a Big Deal out of Zoro's CoC, teasing it so much, even though it's something that Dozen Characters have, that's because Oda wants to portray Zoro as the Strongest Warrior who doesn't know his Own Power yet (And this isn't something new, the exact same thing was shown in Ryuma One-Shot, when after he Slayed the Dragon, the Villagers said: "That Samurai (referring to Ryuma) is known as the King, he is Strongest Swordsman in the World & wielder of Greatest Warrior Soul, but it seems he doesn't know it")

If the Flow to cut everything was called Breath of All Things (Which is related to CoA) & ability to hear everything is called Voice of All Things (Which is related to CoO), then there is definitely King of All Things (That's what Mihawk saw in Zoro & why he is waiting for him to reach his Max Power), Oda loves Animals so much & yet he gave every Single Character an Animal Theme except Zoro, he gave him Endless Creatures,
His Techniques represent all Animals, all Demons & even Dragons, not to mention Asura & Divine Themes.

I said it before & i will say it again, Luffy might be The Greatest King of All Times (Basically someone who Inspires the whole World)
But Zoro is The Strongest King of All Times (Surpassing Kaidou, WB, Mihawk, Roger, Ryuma & even Legends from Void Century & before)
 
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#7
It's very simple tbh
Zoro said "The Power to Cut Everything is the same Power to Cut Nothing"
That was what he learned in Arabasta Arc, which was taught to him by Koushirou

So now, Zoro is entering his Next Major Realization which will make him finally able to Challenge Mihawk
"The Courage to declare your Name even to Heavens is the same as the Courage needed to throw away your Name"

It might sound confusing & contradictory, but Zoro needs to become "The Nameless"
That's the Name that can reach Heavens & stand above the rest

If you think about it, being able to Cut Nothing means the Sword completely obeys it's Wielder to the point that it can't even do it's Basic Function, so it makes sense that such Control would allow the Wielder to use that Sword to cut Anything

So applying this on Sunacchi, it means that if you can Subdue your own Will & be strong enough to make it forfeit itself (Throw away your Identity & Wits), then that means you have Complete Control over your Willpower, which will allow the User to unleash their Full Potential.
(PS: Scabbards vs Kaidou is a Major Example, even though he knows Haki very well, he was surprised by Scabbards Ability to hurt him & found it confusing, so imagine Zoro's Sunacchi Moment !!! And what he would be able to do)

This is why Mihawk gained interest in Zoro the moment he said "Defeat is worse than Death", so seeing that Courage to throw away his Life for the sake of his Ambition, Mihawk knew that Zoro have Massive Potential, which was directly hinted when he asked for his Name right away & also said that he haven't seen such Courage in a long time, and after he defeated him, he said "Know your Will"

This is also why Oda made a Big Deal out of Zoro's CoC, teasing it so much, even though it's something that Dozen Characters have, that's because Oda wants to portray Zoro as the Strongest Warrior who doesn't know his Own Power yet (And this isn't something new, the exact same thing was shown in Ryuma One-Shot, when after he Slayed the Dragon, the Villagers said: "That Samurai (referring to Ryuma) is known as the King, he is Strongest Swordsman in the World & wielder of Greatest Warrior Soul, but it seems he doesn't know it")

If the Flow to cut everything was called Breath of All Things (Which is related to CoA) & ability to hear everything is called Voice of All Things (Which is related to CoO), then there is definitely King of All Things (That's what Mihawk saw in Zoro & why he is waiting for him to reach his Max Power), Oda loves Animals so much & yet he gave every Single Character an Animal Theme except Zoro, he gave him Endless Creatures,
His Techniques represent all Animals, all Demons & even Dragons, not to mention Asura & Divine Themes.

I said it before & i will say it again, Luffy might be The Greatest King of All Times (Basically someone who Inspires the whole World)
But Zoro is The Strongest King of All Times (Surpassing Kaidou, WB, Mihawk, Roger, Ryuma & even Legends from Void Century & before)
:steef:
 
#8
he's on his deathbed, zoro will be lucky if he even survives(even though we all know he will)

even if someone needs to kill kaido, zoro is the last person to call at this moment. But I doubt he will be needed anyways when luffy vs kaido basically has zero tension and its obvious luffy will win once he goes G4 or G5 or whatever
 
#10
he's on his deathbed, zoro will be lucky if he even survives(even though we all know he will)

even if someone needs to kill kaido, zoro is the last person to call at this moment. But I doubt he will be needed anyways when luffy vs kaido basically has zero tension and its obvious luffy will win once he goes G4 or G5 or whatever
Honestly from bm quote about kaidos victory cry I’m thinking luffy may lose again and if he lets it lose this will let all the straw hats know that luffy needs help and they will go to help him
 
#14
Zoro killing Orochi, let's go!!!

:stealthblack:
Orochi is still alive and well, and zoro made promise he will avenge yasuie, with zoro's current condition, it will be a hard fight, :myman:
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Zoro's define yourself already happen when he fought mihawk for the first time, announcing his grand ambition and stating lies like he will never loose again,

then the negate yourself happen when he bend is ass to mihawk begging his enemy his ultimate goal to defeat. to train him like he was his man, his prodigy.
 
#17
It's very simple tbh
Zoro said "The Power to Cut Everything is the same Power to Cut Nothing"
That was what he learned in Arabasta Arc, which was taught to him by Koushirou

So now, Zoro is entering his Next Major Realization which will make him finally able to Challenge Mihawk
"The Courage to declare your Name even to Heavens is the same as the Courage needed to throw away your Name"

It might sound confusing & contradictory, but Zoro needs to become "The Nameless"
That's the Name that can reach Heavens & stand above the rest

If you think about it, being able to Cut Nothing means the Sword completely obeys it's Wielder to the point that it can't even do it's Basic Function, so it makes sense that such Control would allow the Wielder to use that Sword to cut Anything

So applying this on Sunacchi, it means that if you can Subdue your own Will & be strong enough to make it forfeit itself (Throw away your Identity & Wits), then that means you have Complete Control over your Willpower, which will allow the User to unleash their Full Potential.
(PS: Scabbards vs Kaidou is a Major Example, even though he knows Haki very well, he was surprised by Scabbards Ability to hurt him & found it confusing, so imagine Zoro's Sunacchi Moment !!! And what he would be able to do)

This is why Mihawk gained interest in Zoro the moment he said "Defeat is worse than Death", so seeing that Courage to throw away his Life for the sake of his Ambition, Mihawk knew that Zoro have Massive Potential, which was directly hinted when he asked for his Name right away & also said that he haven't seen such Courage in a long time, and after he defeated him, he said "Know your Will"

This is also why Oda made a Big Deal out of Zoro's CoC, teasing it so much, even though it's something that Dozen Characters have, that's because Oda wants to portray Zoro as the Strongest Warrior who doesn't know his Own Power yet (And this isn't something new, the exact same thing was shown in Ryuma One-Shot, when after he Slayed the Dragon, the Villagers said: "That Samurai (referring to Ryuma) is known as the King, he is Strongest Swordsman in the World & wielder of Greatest Warrior Soul, but it seems he doesn't know it")

If the Flow to cut everything was called Breath of All Things (Which is related to CoA) & ability to hear everything is called Voice of All Things (Which is related to CoO), then there is definitely King of All Things (That's what Mihawk saw in Zoro & why he is waiting for him to reach his Max Power), Oda loves Animals so much & yet he gave every Single Character an Animal Theme except Zoro, he gave him Endless Creatures,
His Techniques represent all Animals, all Demons & even Dragons, not to mention Asura & Divine Themes.

I said it before & i will say it again, Luffy might be The Greatest King of All Times (Basically someone who Inspires the whole World)
But Zoro is The Strongest King of All Times (Surpassing Kaidou, WB, Mihawk, Roger, Ryuma & even Legends from Void Century & before)
Yooo this is so sick :steef:
 
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