Character Discussion Zoro will surpass Oden in Elbaf by killing Nidhoggr

Monkey D Theories

Monkey D Theories

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Elbaf has many powerful animals. It’s likely one of the strongest is Nidhoggr, the dragon that gnaws on the roots of Yggdrasil.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Níðhöggr

Many people thought Zoro would kill Kaido in wano, surpassing Oden. But this never happened. Logically that made sense.

Zoro is a yonko’s RHM, but Oden wasn’t just any YC1. He was a legendary pirate who nearly killed Kaido, likely comparable to prime Rayleigh.

While it wouldn’t make sense for Zoro to reach that level in wano, where Luffy just became a yonko, it would make sense for him to reach that level in elbaf, where Luffy is fixing to become PK.

Hence I think Zoro will kill the nidhoggr, surpassing Oden and possibly even turning Enma black.
 
The White Crane

The White Crane

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Monkey D Theories said:
Elbaf has many powerful animals. It’s likely one of the strongest is Nidhoggr, the dragon that gnaws on the roots of Yggdrasil.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Níðhöggr

Many people thought Zoro would kill Kaido in wano, surpassing Oden. But this never happened. Logically that made sense.

Zoro is a yonko’s RHM, but Oden wasn’t just any YC1. He was a legendary pirate who nearly killed Kaido, likely comparable to prime Rayleigh.

While it wouldn’t make sense for Zoro to reach that level in wano, where Luffy just became a yonko, it would make sense for him to reach that level in elbaf, where Luffy is fixing to become PK.

Hence I think Zoro will kill the nidhoggr, surpassing Oden and possibly even turning Enma black.
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You made one right guess with Saturn getting replaced, and I admit this Nid stuff is interesting, so I am not gonna ignore your theory just like that this time.

Three questions, though:

1. Elbaf Giants worship Nika the Sun God, but Nika will just be watching Zoro kill something like Nid that is threatening the world tree instead of dealing with Nid himself?

2. How does killing Nid signify Zoro surpassing Oden?

3. Pretty sure Lolda discarded the black blade plotline back in Wano, tho. But, assuming he didn't, why would killing Nid even make Enma turn black? Enma's wish was to kill Kaido and it didn't happen, so how is killing Nid gonna make it turn black? Do you mean Lolda will retcon Enma's wish like he retconned Gomu Gomu into Nika Nika?
 
Monkey D Theories

Monkey D Theories

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The White Crane said:
2. How does killing Nid signify Zoro surpassing Oden?

3. Pretty sure Lolda discarded the black blade plotline back in Wano, tho. But, assuming he didn't, why would killing Nid even make Enma turn black? Enma's wish was to kill Kaido and it didn't happen, so how is killing Nid gonna make it turn black? Do you mean Lolda will retcon Enma's wish like he retconned Gomu Gomu into Nika Nika?
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Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier said:
He may be referring to how Oden killed the Mountain God boar
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Nidhoggr is a dragon

Oden nearly killed Kaido. He might have succeeeded if not for the hag.

In saving elbaf from nidhoggr, Zoro is doing what Oden failed to do against Kaido. He’s also replicating Ryuma’s feat.
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The White Crane said:
1. Elbaf Giants worship Nika the Sun God, but Nika will just be watching Zoro kill something like Nid that is threatening the world tree instead of dealing with Nid himself?
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Elbaf seems to have a Sun god of its own, my guess is Elbaf’s sun god is the main villain

Nidhoggr is the #2 villain
 
The White Crane

The White Crane

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Monkey D Theories said:
Nidhoggr is a dragon

Oden nearly killed Kaido. He might have succeeeded if not for the hag.

In saving elbaf from nidhoggr, Zoro is doing what Oden failed to do against Kaido. He’s also replicating Ryuma’s feat.
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Elbaf seems to have a Sun god of its own, my guess is Elbaf’s sun god is the main villain

Nidhoggr is the #2 villain
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Okay, for question number 1, your answer is acceptable.

But for numbers 2 and 3, Zoro already killed a dragon back in Punk Hazard, so that alone means he already did what Lolden couldn't. Not sure why he needs to do that again with Nid.

And still there is no explanation why killing Nid is gonna make Enma, whose wish is to kill Kaido, turn black.
 
ApostlesBane

ApostlesBane

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Dragon777 said:
Cool, but I think Oda Is done with dragons.
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I disagree. Oda has shown multiple times that he has no qualms about repeating visual designs as long as they are different one from another. Hence why we got two spider devil fruits ( Saturn and that toppi roppo chick ) , two wolf devil fruits ( Jabra and Yamato ) and so on. And Kaido and Momo. As long as the devil fruit model is different, or if a creature is remarkably different from the previous creature, it'll happen.

Dragon will also have a dragon zoan, either quetzcoatl or shenron eastern dragon.
 
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ApostlesBane said:
I disagree. Oda has shown multiple times that he has no qualms about repeating visual designs as long as they are different one from another. Hence why we got two spider devil fruits ( Saturn and that toppi roppo chick ) , two wolf devil fruits ( Jabra and Yamato ) and so on. And Kaido and Momo. As long as the devil fruit model is different, or if a creature is remarkably different from the previous creature, it'll happen.
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Yeah, but you are talking about some secondary details (the fruit of a Tobi Roppo, a normal Wolf for Jabra that was introduced a L
lifetime ago, and about that I have no qualms, etc.).

Here we are talking about a whole arc based on two Dragons that we saw far and wide, with Zoro, if you want, that has already cut a "a dragon" three times: at PH, Kaido and "King's dragon".

On the other hand, I can offer the example of ID: the "mythical" beasts of ID were used, well, in ID and so, sadly, we didn't get any Mythical zoan based on those creatures.

Dragon will also have a dragon zoan, either quetzcoatl or shenron eastern dragon.
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As much as I would love the eastern Dragon, I think it's written in stone that Dragon has the Wind Logia.

Aside from visual proofs, the guy uses a lot of expressions like "Wind of change" and alike and his ship Is even called "Wind Granma".
And so on.

Oh, and he Is an ex marine, and Oda usually gives Logia to important Marines.
 
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CbShadow

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Zoro surpassed Oden near the end of Wano.

When it comes to Oden's strength and power his greatest feasts are mastering enma and scarring Kaido. Untill Wano war Oden was the only one to achieve those feats. During the war Zoro achieved those feat and surpassed Oden by achieving feats beyond Oden's feats.

Zoro scarred Kaido during the rooftop battle. He surpassed Oden scarring Kaido feat by scarring King whose harder to damage than Kaido and can withstand stronger attacks than Kaido.

Zoro mastered enma by during his battle against King. He surpassed Oden's mastery of enma by making his own unique fighting style fron the requirements needed to master enma.

Since Zoro hasn't had the opportunity to show off his true power some claim he's weaker than Oden and not top tier. Post Wano for Zoro is just post Dressrosa all over again. Back then some were so sure and confident Zoro wasn't YC level simply because he wasn't given the opportunity to fight or beat YC. That continued until the rooftop happened. Afterwards instead of just accepting Zoro's strength they called the rooftop fanfiction.
 
BigAmmi

BigAmmi

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Zoro will surpass oden against his next strong enemy, no matter who and no matter when, it may be at elbaf, or at hachinosu, ot at laughtale ecc
 
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