Theory Zoro's death and rebirth

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Zoro vs King ended with him proclaiming that he will become the king of hell. He subsequently succumbed to the effects of the mink medicine, saw the grim reaper, and passed out.

I think a lot of people, especially ZKK supporters, really tend to downplay the damage zoro took. Zoro isn't simply at his limits, he is beyond them. Hakai immobilized zoro and brought him near death. Now on top of the damage he took from king, zoro's damage from hakai is being doubled. He isn't merely weakened or passed out, Zoro is literally at death's door, as signified by the reaper.
This is something that shouldn't and won't be resolved in several chapters. Look at how long it took Zoro to recover from mihawk's slash or the damage he took in thriller bark. In both cases, Zoro started off the next arc severely injured and the damage he took in wano trumps anything he took in the past. So no, not only is zoro done for wano, he will likely be incapacitated for most of elbaf as well.

What happened to zoro in wano is that zoro entered the death and rebirth stage of his hero's journey. This is likely the lowest point for zoro's character in the series and I think the transformation that this will cause in zoro will directly lead to him becoming WSSM. More than that, I think this death and rebirth will directly tie into zoro taking Ryuma's mantle as the sword god.

ZKK supporters say this will happen by him merely killing kaido, but I personally fail to see how this makes Zoro a god. Kaido isn't invincible and if given a clean shot, I'm sure shanks and mihawk could cut off kaido's head as well. No, for Zoro to be the sword god it has to be something even greater than simply killing a yonko. What do I think? I think there's a very big chance that Zoro will become the "sword god" by returning from the dead.

The reaper is unique in that no matter how much damage we've seen a character take, Oda has never had anyone encounter the reaper before. Nobody except zoro. When you think about how much damage hakai already did to zoro, I feel as if death is the only logical thing that could happen to zoro after he takes double the damage from the medicine.

It might not be total death, but I think zoro will basically be declared brain dead. Law will give the SHs some equipment to keep him on life support but the diagnosis will be that this is something zoro can never recover from. This will ultimately lead into chopper's dream, which I see him fulfilling next arc. Chopper will create a miracle cure which will be able to revive zoro. While Zoro is out, I think Zoro will legitimately travel to the hell of one piece, where he will fight and slay the king of hell before chopper revives him. Then, once he is revived, I see zoro returning transformed.

We know that brook got special powers from returning from the underworld, I see zoro having the same powers, albeit to an even greater extent due to becoming the king of hell. He will be able to detatch his soul from his body, which ties into his buddhist theme. He will also be able to coat his blades with his soul, like brook does. Lastly, I see him being able to use his soul to regenerate. Brook and Linlin can both do this to some extent.

Having died, conquered hell, and then come back to life, zoro will accomplish something few characters in one piece ever have. As a result he will become known as the king of hell. When he beats mihawk on top of this, he will basically cement himself as the sword god.
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Also, I think Zoro getting special powers from going to hell, slaying a demon, and coming back would perfectly parallel Luffy's legendary DF power that he is heavily foreshadowed to have.

Whereas the legendary DF will make Luffy the sun god, the hell powers will make zoro the sword god. Both are incredibly rare powers that nobody in one piece has.
 
#2
lol do you fail to realize that for 20 long years kaidos head has not been taken and that he has been capured,tortured,and even has suicide as a hobby and yet he can not kill himself ... it would be zoros biggest cutting feat to date and people will directly correlate zoro killing kaido to ryuma slaying the dragon over the flower capital if anything it's the reason people would start calling him sword god not what you are implying
 
#3
Nice thread man.
I believe this would be a fantastic cliffhanger but to tell you the truth if it's to happen i wish to be at the end of this arc.
I don't want to have 100 chapters without zoro lol
But if zoro was out in coma as you wrote and in a dire situation he gets up miraculously and take on a formidable opponent it would be great.
It is a nice theory with deep thought into it, the only thing that would bother me is too many chapters without zoro lol
 
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#5
Zoro vs King ended with him proclaiming that he will become the king of hell. He subsequently succumbed to the effects of the mink medicine, saw the grim reaper, and passed out.

I think a lot of people, especially ZKK supporters, really tend to downplay the damage zoro took. Zoro isn't simply at his limits, he is beyond them. Hakai immobilized zoro and brought him near death. Now on top of the damage he took from king, zoro's damage from hakai is being doubled. He isn't merely weakened or passed out, Zoro is literally at death's door, as signified by the reaper.
This is something that shouldn't and won't be resolved in several chapters. Look at how long it took Zoro to recover from mihawk's slash or the damage he took in thriller bark. In both cases, Zoro started off the next arc severely injured and the damage he took in wano trumps anything he took in the past. So no, not only is zoro done for wano, he will likely be incapacitated for most of elbaf as well.

What happened to zoro in wano is that zoro entered the death and rebirth stage of his hero's journey. This is likely the lowest point for zoro's character in the series and I think the transformation that this will cause in zoro will directly lead to him becoming WSSM. More than that, I think this death and rebirth will directly tie into zoro taking Ryuma's mantle as the sword god.

ZKK supporters say this will happen by him merely killing kaido, but I personally fail to see how this makes Zoro a god. Kaido isn't invincible and if given a clean shot, I'm sure shanks and mihawk could cut off kaido's head as well. No, for Zoro to be the sword god it has to be something even greater than simply killing a yonko. What do I think? I think there's a very big chance that Zoro will become the "sword god" by returning from the dead.

The reaper is unique in that no matter how much damage we've seen a character take, Oda has never had anyone encounter the reaper before. Nobody except zoro. When you think about how much damage hakai already did to zoro, I feel as if death is the only logical thing that could happen to zoro after he takes double the damage from the medicine.

It might not be total death, but I think zoro will basically be declared brain dead. Law will give the SHs some equipment to keep him on life support but the diagnosis will be that this is something zoro can never recover from. This will ultimately lead into chopper's dream, which I see him fulfilling next arc. Chopper will create a miracle cure which will be able to revive zoro. While Zoro is out, I think Zoro will legitimately travel to the hell of one piece, where he will fight and slay the king of hell before chopper revives him. Then, once he is revived, I see zoro returning transformed.

We know that brook got special powers from returning from the underworld, I see zoro having the same powers, albeit to an even greater extent due to becoming the king of hell. He will be able to detatch his soul from his body, which ties into his buddhist theme. He will also be able to coat his blades with his soul, like brook does. Lastly, I see him being able to use his soul to regenerate. Brook and Linlin can both do this to some extent.

Having died, conquered hell, and then come back to life, zoro will accomplish something few characters in one piece ever have. As a result he will become known as the king of hell. When he beats mihawk on top of this, he will basically cement himself as the sword god.
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Also, I think Zoro getting special powers from going to hell, slaying a demon, and coming back would perfectly parallel Luffy's legendary DF power that he is heavily foreshadowed to have.

Whereas the legendary DF will make Luffy the sun god, the hell powers will make zoro the sword god. Both are incredibly rare powers that nobody in one piece has.
Nice theory, but you forgot that Brook got hispowers from his devil fruit.
 
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lol do you fail to realize that for 20 long years kaidos head has not been taken and that he has been capured,tortured,and even has suicide as a hobby and yet he can not kill himself ... it would be zoros biggest cutting feat to date and people will directly correlate zoro killing kaido to ryuma slaying the dragon over the flower capital if anything it's the reason people would start calling him sword god not what you are implying
well see what you are forgetting is that Luffy is the next joyboy and he is going to be the one to liberate wano, just as he liberated every other country he's been to.

You and every other ZKKer can cope all you like, nothing zoro does is going to overshadow luffy's victory.
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I'm not convinced on this.
brook explains it in the manga. His soul doesn't have special powers as a direct result of the yomi yomi no mi but as a result of returning to the living world from the underworld. The yomi yomi no mi merely revived him.
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You intentions are clear to see Zoro name won't be reaching heavens with conquering death alone. Ryuma became sword god by slaying a dragon among other things
Among other things.
Zoro already slayed a dragon by cutting King's ultimate attack.
 
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#10
Stop coping you know full well King isn't a replacement for that, what Zoro did was nothing more than cut flame.
stop being a fanboy and actually think about it

if we are directly told that zoro is on the verge of death, in what world does it make sense for him to do anything more this arc? Luffy's going to get up and if he needs help, you still have yamato/marco/kid/law
 
#11
stop being a fanboy and actually think about it

if we are directly told that zoro is on the verge of death, in what world does it make sense for him to do anything more this arc? Luffy's going to get up and if he needs help, you still have yamato/marco/kid/law
Yet you turn blind eye to this when we are told both Law and Kid are preparing to fight Kaido despite their worn out state with Law flat out admitting he was done.
 
#12
well see what you are forgetting is that Luffy is the next joyboy and he is going to be the one to liberate wano, just as he liberated every other country he's been to.

You and every other ZKKer can cope all you like, nothing zoro does is going to overshadow luffy's victory.
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brook explains it in the manga. His soul doesn't have special powers as a direct result of the yomi yomi no mi but as a result of returning to the living world from the underworld. The yomi yomi no mi merely revived him.
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Among other things.
Zoro already slayed a dragon by cutting King's ultimate attack.
But u are forgetting that kaido is a yonko and that he won’t be defeated by simple means like crocodile,kat,doffy he can’t be imprisoned It can’t hold him even if luffy is joy boy and he wrecks kaido the manga facts still stand kaido will come back and specifically to wano as he already told you but you choose to ignore … and no one is coping lol zkk will do nothing but add to luffy as luffy will defeat him but his right hand has the power to kill the unkillable kaido and yet zoro humbles himself and serves under luffy helping him to reach his goal zkk will not take anything away from all this hard work he has put in to defeat kaido in the first place and if u think it will then o well and to top things off u know dang well that was just a fire dragon that was not beheaded and nobody in the flower capital saw it that’s not the ryuma moment and you know it so u cope
 
#13
But u are forgetting that kaido is a yonko and that he won’t be defeated by simple means like crocodile,kat,doffy he can’t be imprisoned It can’t hold him even if luffy is joy boy and he wrecks kaido the manga facts still stand kaido will come back and specifically to wano as he already told you but you choose to ignore … and no one is coping lol zkk will do nothing but add to luffy as luffy will defeat him but his right hand has the power to kill the unkillable kaido and yet zoro humbles himself and serves under luffy helping him to reach his goal zkk will not take anything away from all this hard work he has put in to defeat kaido in the first place and if u think it will then o well
Why can't Kaido be imprisoned? Kaido was never sent to impel down
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I fail to see how kaido would still be a threat if he was covered head to toe in sea stone.
 
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Why can't Kaido be imprisoned? Kaido was never sent to impel down
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I fail to see how kaido would still be a threat if he was covered head to toe in sea stone.
Oda literally reiterates on kaidos introduction twice in one chapter that he was captured 18 times what are u gonna tell me they let him go 18 times heck no either he or someone helped him escape(can not be captured)…oda also confirmed that kaido lived as a prisoner and on top of this if it was as simple as throwing sea stone on him and that’s it then why didn’t they just do that and kill him yet Oda again tells us again that 40 times kaido was sentenced to death and he couldn’t be killed not even by himself (unkillable) u just clearly want to make any answer possible besides what oda is clearly building up to all the evidence shows that zoro will slay him zoro will be the monsterous samurai that can get the job done
 
#15
Oda literally reiterates on kaidos introduction twice in one chapter that he was captured 18 times what are u gonna tell me they let him go 18 times heck no either he or someone helped him escape(can not be captured)
he was captured 18 times but he was never imprisoned in impel down. The only people who ever escaped Impel down was shiki and the people Luffy/blackbeard freed.

u just clearly want to make any answer possible besides what oda is clearly building up to all the evidence shows that zoro will slay him zoro will be the monsterous samurai that can get the job done
because its a stupid tard theory and the only people who believe in it are the zoro tards who've turned worstgen into their safe space. You cannot sit here with a mihawk avatar and tell me that this theory isn't heavily driven by fanboyism when all its most vocal supporters are open zoro fans.

yeah, its more likely that Kaido will be imprisoned by the the world government, who already have agents in wano and around the country, than killed by a man who's so close to death he's literally seeing the grim reaper. Surely I am the fanboy here.
 
#16
he was captured 18 times but he was never imprisoned in impel down. The only people who ever escaped Impel down was shiki and the people Luffy/blackbeard freed.


because its a stupid tard theory and the only people who believe in it are the zoro tards who've turned worstgen into their safe space. You cannot sit here with a mihawk avatar and tell me that this theory isn't heavily driven by fanboyism when all its most vocal supporters are open zoro fans.

yeah, its more likely that Kaido will be imprisoned by the the world government, who already have agents in wano and around the country, than killed by a man who's so close to death he's literally seeing the grim reaper. Surely I am the fanboy here.
But ur simply relying on the world government when wano has no ties with them what do u expect for the battle to end and for the straw hats or wano citizens to hand over kaido peacefully or for luffy to punch kaido so hard he lands on a wg ship and they say omg we got kaido let’s just leave and take him to impel down again hell no 😂😂😂 and ofcourse the fan boy in me has some bias as to zoro doing it but again u sit here and ignore all the evidence that the dam author has in his own manga 😂😂😂😂 I’m not doing that at all what so ever i believe luffy will get his w(he’s the freaking Mc) kaido will come back because of awakening(Chap 544 page 11 zoan awakening explanation) and all the plot points oda has set up for zoro/ryuma will come full circle when slays kaido and visits ryuma grave im simply looking at the story and what oda has given me nothin is coming out my ass or me being a supreme fanboy
 
#17
But ur simply relying on the world government when wano has no ties with them what do u expect for the battle to end and for the straw hats or wano citizens to hand over kaido peacefully or for luffy to punch kaido so hard he lands on a wg ship and they say omg we got kaido let’s just leave and take him to impel down again hell no 😂😂😂 and ofcourse the fan boy in me has some bias as to zoro doing it but again u sit here and ignore all the evidence that the dam author has in his own manga 😂😂😂😂 I’m not doing that at all what so ever i believe luffy will get his w(he’s the freaking Mc) kaido will come back because of awakening(Chap 544 page 11 zoan awakening explanation) and all the plot points oda has set up for zoro/ryuma will come full circle when slays kaido and visits ryuma grave im simply looking at the story and what oda has given me nothin is coming out my ass or me being a supreme fanboy
any "evidence" you bring up cannot trump the reality that in the current chapters, zoro is immobile and near death
 
#20
this entire theory was a speculation on what Oda still has for zoro.

But evidently it has nothing to do with kaido as Luffy's clearly going to defeat him.
But it’s a theory that is not without basis Kaido is literally the only one still up oda is dedicating panels to zoro for a reason u just want it to be anything besides him going to kaido lmao anyways I’m done here see u when zkk happens and I return here:cheers::cheers: cheers !!!
 
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