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Alright here is my final, informed tier list:
S: Iron Eye
A: Raider, Recluse, Wylder
B: Guardian, Revenant, Duchess
C: Executor
Elder Lee Hung
Elder Lee Hung
The thing is that Raider is so strong without his ult that any jankiness with it is forgiveable imo. He just shrugs off most damage and dishes out great damage and stance damage with huge poise and great stagger damage as well.
Elder Lee Hung
Elder Lee Hung
But I think Raider’s ult is fine, like I said it just requires brainpower to not use it in the wrong spot. But a flat attack boost to your whole team on top of basically just being Wylder’s ult minus the fire damage is just great. Raider really is like a straight up superior Wylder imo. All Wylder has on Raider is a bit of speed, mobility, and sometimes fire damage depending on relics.
Elder Lee Hung
Elder Lee Hung
@EmperorKinyagi I would say Duchess and Executor undoubtedly have worse ults than Raider. Duchess’s ult is good for getting a slight breather from agro, but as soon as you start attacking or reviving your teammate, the benefit of the ult is completely gone. Executor’s ult arguably makes him an even more vulnerable target depending on the scenario lol.
Ducan 1v2 Prime Anakin and Prime Obi-Wan
Paragorn
Paragorn
@Bad English Dooku literally 1v2 Prime Anakin and Obi Wan in Sith Revenge. Anakin just got plot armor
MonsterKaido
MonsterKaido
That was not prime anakin. He was only 22 years of age and when he used dark side , he overwhelmed dooku.
Bad English
Bad English
Kenobi and Anakin weren't in their primes, i don't think so. Anakin canonically never reached his prime and Obi Wan grew stronger with force power and experience after Mustafar.
Darth plagueis >>
I don't play much of normal tf2 but Man vs Machine is my stuff
Kizaruber Eats
Kizaruber Eats
MVM is extremely fun except the tryhards. I tried the modded servers once and it was the most hilariously absurdist PTSD I ever got lmfao.

I might go back to it someday but I know people try hard over the "mann up", boot camp, paid tours whatever in it lol. I'll just play modded, custom servers, they're the best.
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