This isn’t Clickbait. For those who remember, I was a big proponent of the opposite, that Ryuma was stronger than Oden first of all because of the Black blade and that Ryuma is the god of the country so he’s Oden’s god. But this has come to bite me in the ass.
If Ryuma is Oden’s god and he’s worshiped and has a temple and and his sword is a national Treasure, then why doesn’t Oden know Advanced Armament before meeting Roger?
There’s only three possible Answers.
1. No one in the history of Wano knew what Advanced Armament was, including Ryuma. Remember Oden has been everywhere in Wano and fought the best guys, so him surprised about seeing Advanced Armament shows no one in Wano has it and given how closed Wano is, no one ever had it.
2. Ryuma had it and maybe others of his time had it but it got lost as the centuries went on. We’ll come back to this answer
3. Ryuma was the only one who had it and decided not to teach it to anyone and so it was never passed on. This I doubt the most.
So yeah, I’m now leaning more towards option 1, that Oden is the first person in Wano to use Advanced Armament, and the Scabbards and Grandpa Hyo all learned it from him. Therefore Oden had Advanced Armament when Ryuma did not. Making it very likely Oden was stronger than Ryuma.
Note: Of course having Advanced armament doesn’t automatically mean you are stronger. The Boa sisters showed that. But Oden was also already a monster so that really adds up on top of the Advanced Armament
Now the rebuttal
The black blade is still a feat above Oden, and then there’s option 2.
See the main reason I was sure Advanced Armament existed in Wano a long time ago is that I assumed that’s how the Kozuki were able to Curve the Poneglyphs. These people knew how to cut unbreakable stones. And given this is skill a supposedly TAUGHT from generation to generation, then it must be Haki (since Everything is haki) and it looks very similar to how Advanced Armament as per Zoro’s sensei and Hyo explain it, being able to cut things that shouldn’t be able to be cut.
My confusion of course came from the statement that Oden learned this already. We know this. We know it’s Momo who didn’t learn the Kozuki stuff, but Oden learned it from his father. But that’s the thing, there’s two different things being taught here. There’s the Poneglyph language, and the ability to Curve the poneglyphs. These are two separate things. And Oden has only shown one, the poneglyph language.
Notice that Oden in Skypiea curved the message from Roger into Gold. Not the Poneglyph. Is it possible that Oden can’t curve Poneglyphs? So is if the curving ability is the Advanced armament, then maybe This ability was in fact lost through the generations. And after a while only the Poneglyph language was being passed down through the Kozuki
This lines up with Option two. Maybe Ryuma and even the Kozuki of his time knew advanced armament, but the ability was lost through the generations to now when no one in Oden’s generation knew it.
That’s a lot of assumption but it is possible. There’s nothing really contradicting this as a possibility.
But as of now, the most direct answer would still be Option 1. That no one in Wano’s history knew Advanced Armament until Oden.
If Ryuma is Oden’s god and he’s worshiped and has a temple and and his sword is a national Treasure, then why doesn’t Oden know Advanced Armament before meeting Roger?
There’s only three possible Answers.
1. No one in the history of Wano knew what Advanced Armament was, including Ryuma. Remember Oden has been everywhere in Wano and fought the best guys, so him surprised about seeing Advanced Armament shows no one in Wano has it and given how closed Wano is, no one ever had it.
2. Ryuma had it and maybe others of his time had it but it got lost as the centuries went on. We’ll come back to this answer
3. Ryuma was the only one who had it and decided not to teach it to anyone and so it was never passed on. This I doubt the most.
So yeah, I’m now leaning more towards option 1, that Oden is the first person in Wano to use Advanced Armament, and the Scabbards and Grandpa Hyo all learned it from him. Therefore Oden had Advanced Armament when Ryuma did not. Making it very likely Oden was stronger than Ryuma.
Note: Of course having Advanced armament doesn’t automatically mean you are stronger. The Boa sisters showed that. But Oden was also already a monster so that really adds up on top of the Advanced Armament
Now the rebuttal
The black blade is still a feat above Oden, and then there’s option 2.
See the main reason I was sure Advanced Armament existed in Wano a long time ago is that I assumed that’s how the Kozuki were able to Curve the Poneglyphs. These people knew how to cut unbreakable stones. And given this is skill a supposedly TAUGHT from generation to generation, then it must be Haki (since Everything is haki) and it looks very similar to how Advanced Armament as per Zoro’s sensei and Hyo explain it, being able to cut things that shouldn’t be able to be cut.
My confusion of course came from the statement that Oden learned this already. We know this. We know it’s Momo who didn’t learn the Kozuki stuff, but Oden learned it from his father. But that’s the thing, there’s two different things being taught here. There’s the Poneglyph language, and the ability to Curve the poneglyphs. These are two separate things. And Oden has only shown one, the poneglyph language.
Notice that Oden in Skypiea curved the message from Roger into Gold. Not the Poneglyph. Is it possible that Oden can’t curve Poneglyphs? So is if the curving ability is the Advanced armament, then maybe This ability was in fact lost through the generations. And after a while only the Poneglyph language was being passed down through the Kozuki
This lines up with Option two. Maybe Ryuma and even the Kozuki of his time knew advanced armament, but the ability was lost through the generations to now when no one in Oden’s generation knew it.
That’s a lot of assumption but it is possible. There’s nothing really contradicting this as a possibility.
But as of now, the most direct answer would still be Option 1. That no one in Wano’s history knew Advanced Armament until Oden.
