General & Others Kaido is not a swordsman. Zoro can't beat Kaido 1 v 1.

[HA001]

PREDICTION and FORESHADOWING

Just call me Basil

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Seems convenient for your point to combine the both but that wasn’t the case. I still don’t understand why Zoro put his bandana on for a group of fodder tinned sardines but hey ho Oda right

its not convinent at all zoro didnt have one main opponent in fishman island once he put his bandana on he beat multiple fishmen
hyozuou was one of a few but that was his main fight he didnt have a main opponent
theres never been a time in the manga hes used his bandana then stopped before either of them loses to go fight someone else

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

All you want is Zoro to have a solo fight... He has had it already, versus Killer. That is mirroring solo fight against Ryuma.
Now, he is fighting against Oars/Kuma and Moriah which is mirroring Kaido and Big Mom.
If he gets to fight King after that, that's a nice bonus but dont count on it.

Actually all i want is for the “Samurai arc” to have a significant meaning for Zoro as a swordsman

And for 1000 chapters, Sword fights are what give Zoro significant meaning in his Swordsmanship

Thats the difference with Thrillwr bark. That wasnt a Samurai arc. That wasnt an arc that had Zoro have this much screen time and plot relevance even before the battles even start.

See no one would be expecting much from Zoro post Ryuma fight while reading Thriller bark coz nothing really shows Zoro should be that important. So the Kuma business turns out as a bonus. Now in Wano, its actually impossible for you not to expect much from Zoro even before the arc started. And with how much build up there is, it is baffling to expect Zoro’s swordsmanship itself not to come into direct focus in this arc of all arcs.

And once again, only 1v1 fights ever highlight this for Zoro. Zoro vs Kuma was not a highlight of Zoro’s Swordsmanship. And you can ask ANYBODY if they believe Zoro vs Killer is actuallt satisfying as a real 1v1 for Zoro. Like you just have to be in straight up denial to believe that was somehow Zoro’s best outting in 1v1 sword battles yet.

And no, unfortunately this Big mom kaido business is not a fight about Zoro’s swordsmanship. Its About Zoro’s support of Luffy. Thats all.

And you were right, this does in fact seem like the Moriah Kuma business, because Zoro was supporting luffy then and hes mostly supporting Luffy now with kaido and big mom. You are right there.

where you are not right is saying Zoro vs Killer is satisfactory to Concluding a samurai arc for Zoro in terms of actual 1v1 sword fights. That fight does in fact parallel thw ryuma one, but Wano is not Thriller bark. Theres way more expectations this arc than that one.

 

[HA001]

Actually all i want is for the “Samurai arc” to have a significant meaning for Zoro as a swordsman

And for 1000 chapters, Sword fights are what give Zoro significant meaning in his Swordsmanship

Thats the difference with Thrillwr bark. That wasnt a Samurai arc. That wasnt an arc that had Zoro have this much screen time and plot relevance even before the battles even start.

See no one would be expecting much from Zoro post Ryuma fight while reading Thriller bark coz nothing really shows Zoro should be that important. So the Kuma business turns out as a bonus. Now in Wano, its actually impossible for you not to expect much from Zoro even before the arc started. And with how much build up there is, it is baffling to expect Zoro’s swordsmanship itself not to come into direct focus in this arc of all arcs.

And once again, only 1v1 fights ever highlight this for Zoro. Zoro vs Kuma was not a highlight of Zoro’s Swordsmanship. And you can ask ANYBODY if they believe Zoro vs Killer is actuallt satisfying as a real 1v1 for Zoro. Like you just have to be in straight up denial to believe that was somehow Zoro’s best outting in 1v1 sword battles yet.

And no, unfortunately this Big mom kaido business is not a fight about Zoro’s swordsmanship. Its About Zoro’s support of Luffy. Thats all.

And you were right, this does in fact seem like the Moriah Kuma business, because Zoro was supporting luffy then and hes mostly supporting Luffy now with kaido and big mom. You are right there.

where you are not right is saying Zoro vs Killer is satisfactory to Concluding a samurai arc for Zoro in terms of actual 1v1 sword fights. That fight does in fact parallel thw ryuma one, but Wano is not Thriller bark. Theres way more expectations this arc than that one.

isnt matching/surpassing the swordsmanship feat of a legendary swordsman like oden on the most durable character in the series
a SWORDSMANSHIP FEAT
why is fighting king who isnt even the strongest swordsman on the enemy side unlike the other yonko zoro is currently facing relevant in any way shape or form ?

 

[nik87]

Actually all i want is for the “Samurai arc” to have a significant meaning for Zoro as a swordsman

And for 1000 chapters, Sword fights are what give Zoro significant meaning in his Swordsmanship

Thats the difference with Thrillwr bark. That wasnt a Samurai arc. That wasnt an arc that had Zoro have this much screen time and plot relevance even before the battles even start.

See no one would be expecting much from Zoro post Ryuma fight while reading Thriller bark coz nothing really shows Zoro should be that important. So the Kuma business turns out as a bonus. Now in Wano, its actually impossible for you not to expect much from Zoro even before the arc started. And with how much build up there is, it is baffling to expect Zoro’s swordsmanship itself not to come into direct focus in this arc of all arcs.

And once again, only 1v1 fights ever highlight this for Zoro. Zoro vs Kuma was not a highlight of Zoro’s Swordsmanship. And you can ask ANYBODY if they believe Zoro vs Killer is actuallt satisfying as a real 1v1 for Zoro. Like you just have to be in straight up denial to believe that was somehow Zoro’s best outting in 1v1 sword battles yet.

And no, unfortunately this Big mom kaido business is not a fight about Zoro’s swordsmanship. Its About Zoro’s support of Luffy. Thats all.

And you were right, this does in fact seem like the Moriah Kuma business, because Zoro was supporting luffy then and hes mostly supporting Luffy now with kaido and big mom. You are right there.

where you are not right is saying Zoro vs Killer is satisfactory to Concluding a samurai arc for Zoro in terms of actual 1v1 sword fights. That fight does in fact parallel thw ryuma one, but Wano is not Thriller bark. Theres way more expectations this arc than that one.

Pointless to discuss any longer, we see things differently. We will see what Oda makes of it.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

What's Luffy's Main Fight this Arc?

Kaido and Big mom

But remember, Luffy is not Zoro.

I can just as easily say Luffy couldnt even beat Katakuri 1v1 yet Katakuri was his main fight. Because the way Luffy’s fights are written and the point of those fights is EXTREMELY different from Zoro.

Luffy couldnt beat Moriah 1v1 too yet he was Luffy’s main fight but Zoro HAD to beat Ryuma no matter what becauze Zoro winning a fight 1v1 means something different from Luffy winning a fight 1v1.

Get it? People should remember that theres a reason characters get different treatment in fights. There’s a reason Sanji gets no actual fights in his arc but Zoro has had like 4 or five already. The characters are written differently

 

[HA001]

Pointless to discuss any longer, we see things differently. We will see what Oda makes of it.

stfu lik dont pretend youre not team king

 

[Edwar.D.O]

Actually all i want is for the “Samurai arc” to have a significant meaning for Zoro as a swordsman

And for 1000 chapters, Sword fights are what give Zoro significant meaning in his Swordsmanship

Thats the difference with Thrillwr bark. That wasnt a Samurai arc. That wasnt an arc that had Zoro have this much screen time and plot relevance even before the battles even start.

See no one would be expecting much from Zoro post Ryuma fight while reading Thriller bark coz nothing really shows Zoro should be that important. So the Kuma business turns out as a bonus. Now in Wano, its actually impossible for you not to expect much from Zoro even before the arc started. And with how much build up there is, it is baffling to expect Zoro’s swordsmanship itself not to come into direct focus in this arc of all arcs.

And once again, only 1v1 fights ever highlight this for Zoro. Zoro vs Kuma was not a highlight of Zoro’s Swordsmanship. And you can ask ANYBODY if they believe Zoro vs Killer is actuallt satisfying as a real 1v1 for Zoro. Like you just have to be in straight up denial to believe that was somehow Zoro’s best outting in 1v1 sword battles yet.

And no, unfortunately this Big mom kaido business is not a fight about Zoro’s swordsmanship. Its About Zoro’s support of Luffy. Thats all.

And you were right, this does in fact seem like the Moriah Kuma business, because Zoro was supporting luffy then and hes mostly supporting Luffy now with kaido and big mom. You are right there.

where you are not right is saying Zoro vs Killer is satisfactory to Concluding a samurai arc for Zoro in terms of actual 1v1 sword fights. That fight does in fact parallel thw ryuma one, but Wano is not Thriller bark. Theres way more expectations this arc than that one.

You know as much as I don’t want or don’t believe that Zoro will fight King....I do kind of see where you’re coming from lol I mean back in the days of thriller bark or punk hazard where we’ve had samurai be mentioned I didn’t really see wano playing out like this.

 

[nik87]

stfu lik dont pretend youre not team king

I am but I want King as a bonus.

 

[Zenos7]

isnt matching/surpassing the swordsmanship feat of a legendary swordsman like oden on the most durable character in the series
a SWORDSMANSHIP FEAT
why is fighting king who isnt even the strongest swordsman on the enemy side unlike the other yonko zoro is currently facing relevant in any way shape or form ?

screw oden, talk about becoming the next sword god to the people of wano.

 

[ZoroSlaysDragonTuna]

isnt matching/surpassing the swordsmanship feat of a legendary swordsman like oden on the most durable character in the series
a SWORDSMANSHIP FEAT
why is fighting king who isnt even the strongest swordsman on the enemy side unlike the other yonko zoro is currently facing relevant in any way shape or form ?

If you think about things from this prespective then Zoro is not just fighting kaido but hes fighting to surpass oden in a way.

Problem solved

 

[Cinera]

And yes, Zoro lost his Main Fight of Baratie Arc

Zoro also "lost" Vs Kuma, and that might have been his main fight.

Seems convenient for your point to combine the both but that wasn’t the case. I still don’t understand why Zoro put his bandana on for a group of fodder tinned sardines but hey ho Oda right

The fodder fishmen were his main opponent; he stomped them.


@ImmaIvanoM: Ryuma wasn't Zoro's main fight of TB, it was Oars or Kuma.

Main opponents of Zoro that weren't swordsmen:

• Nyaban Brothers
• Daz Bones
• Monet
• Pica

Main opponents of Zoro that he lost to:

• Baratie: Mihawk
• Thriller Bark: Oars & Kuma

I'm not convinced that Zoro gets defeated by Kaido and doesn't come back for another round, but it's not as if there isn't precedent for Zoro losing to his main opponent.


As for King, I find it hard to imagine be can push Zoro beyond medium difficulty:

• Zoro can neutralise his fire abilities
• Zoro can tank upper tier attacks from a Yonkou
  • Mama's "God of Lightning: Tenjin"
• Zoro's offensive prowess outclasses his
  • An Ittoryu technique could terrify the Yonkou
• Zoro is a significantly more capable swordsman
• Zoro has been growing over the course of the Kaido fight
  • He's been adapting to Enma and is now regularly overflowing hardening through it
    • He may overflow his hardening through all three swords next

King vs Zoro would be another Zoro vs Pica.

 

[HA001]

screw oden, talk about becoming the next sword god to the people of wano.

If you think about things from this prespective then Zoro is not just fighting kaido but hes fighting to surpass oden in a way.

Problem solved

@ImmaIvanoM what was his swordsman ship feat in dressrosa ?
was it besting pica in 1 vs 1 swordsmanship ?
or was it cutting the mountain sized golem ?
swordsmanship feats isnt just 1 vs 1 a swordsman

 

[SinOfGreed]

Zoro's killing Kaido

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

isnt matching/surpassing the swordsmanship feat of a legendary swordsman like oden on the most durable character in the series
a SWORDSMANSHIP FEAT
why is fighting king who isnt even the strongest swordsman on the enemy side unlike the other yonko zoro is currently facing relevant in any way shape or form ?

Thats a cutting feat dude. Thats not where Zoro’s swordsmanship ends

Thr better swordsman is the one who can win sword fights. Thats it. So Zoro winning against King is what shows hes a btter swordsman than King. Not him cutting Kaido amongst a group of people

 

[Orojackson Refugee]

Actually all i want is for the “Samurai arc” to have a significant meaning for Zoro as a swordsman

And for 1000 chapters, Sword fights are what give Zoro significant meaning in his Swordsmanship

Thats the difference with Thrillwr bark. That wasnt a Samurai arc. That wasnt an arc that had Zoro have this much screen time and plot relevance even before the battles even start.

See no one would be expecting much from Zoro post Ryuma fight while reading Thriller bark coz nothing really shows Zoro should be that important. So the Kuma business turns out as a bonus. Now in Wano, its actually impossible for you not to expect much from Zoro even before the arc started. And with how much build up there is, it is baffling to expect Zoro’s swordsmanship itself not to come into direct focus in this arc of all arcs.

And once again, only 1v1 fights ever highlight this for Zoro. Zoro vs Kuma was not a highlight of Zoro’s Swordsmanship. And you can ask ANYBODY if they believe Zoro vs Killer is actuallt satisfying as a real 1v1 for Zoro. Like you just have to be in straight up denial to believe that was somehow Zoro’s best outting in 1v1 sword battles yet.

And no, unfortunately this Big mom kaido business is not a fight about Zoro’s swordsmanship. Its About Zoro’s support of Luffy. Thats all.

And you were right, this does in fact seem like the Moriah Kuma business, because Zoro was supporting luffy then and hes mostly supporting Luffy now with kaido and big mom. You are right there.

where you are not right is saying Zoro vs Killer is satisfactory to Concluding a samurai arc for Zoro in terms of actual 1v1 sword fights. That fight does in fact parallel thw ryuma one, but Wano is not Thriller bark. Theres way more expectations this arc than that one.

That's not true.
In the alabasta arc, which had been set up since the beginning of paradise, zoro didn't have swords fight, but rather had to fight an opponent with iron body.
Now, we are at wano arc, an arc that had been set up since the beginning of new world. Now zoro had to fight an opponent with dragon scale body

 

[HA001]

If you think about things from this prespective then Zoro is not just fighting kaido but hes fighting to surpass oden in a way.

Problem solved

not like hes not said himself why hes here

 

[Cinera]

screw oden, talk about becoming the next sword god to the people of wano.

I have an essay on this.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

whens zoro ever used his bandana for not his main fight ?

I dont know. You tell me

 

[HA001]

Thats a cutting feat dude. Thats not where Zoro’s swordsmanship ends

Thr better swordsman is the one who can win sword fights. Thats it. So Zoro winning against King is what shows hes a btter swordsman than King. Not him cutting Kaido amongst a group of people

so why didnt oda show him beat pica in a swords duel 1 vs 1 ?
why was his feat that arc cutting the golem ?

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Luffy can't beat Kaido 1v1. So Kaido is not Luffy's main fight this arc.

Luffy is not Zoro though is he?