General & Others The Ruination of a character #2 - Zoro: the Edgelord, the One Trick Pony and the Soulless one

[SinOfGreed]

 

[Finalbeta]

Apparently now a Pirate killing off another Pirate (not a pacific one expecially, conversely) is defined as being edgelord.

When will this world lean.

 

[HA001]

Right now for the rest of this shit

The answer is nothing; I suppose he has a role Vice Captain but Zoro only acted few times as such. In Punk Hazard he told Luffy to get serious considering the stakes and Luffy through New World has been nothing but selfish and reckless. Zoro as Vice Captain should reel Luffy in and keep him at check and not make him to dumb stuff that put the crew in jeopardy. Zoro does bare minimum to keep Luffy in check.

?
Thats like saying what does luffy do on the ship apart from fighting and being captain

Zoro does bare minimum to keep Luffy in check. Hell even few chapters ago he warned Luffy to get serious after Luffy got a fireball in his face and what does Luffy do? Goes G4 super early and wastes his Haki and now Zoro has to baby sit him.

And this is zoros fault how ?
zoro does everything he can to back luffy
he cant force luffy to do anything
you cant blame luffys actions on zoro

Spoiler

its luffys job to be strong enough to protect the crew
its zoros to be strong enough to protect luffy

. In Zou he did voice his opinion how Sanji should be left which to me was the most ridiculous thing he did post TS. Sanji's situation was nothing more than Robin 2.0 and Zoro had no objections going to E. Lobby to save her. Meanwhile he suddenly has problems saving Sanji under the premise that Luffy will pick a fight with Big Mom - But Luffy already picked a fight with Big Mom and Zoro was there when Luffy declared war to her. Zoro was in no position to be against getting back Sanji considering he stuck his head for any crew member. and Zoro knows Luffy well enough to know Luffy won't stay calm until Sanji is with them. To me that whole scene was just yikes.

even more utter shit

zoro was exactly right in what he told luffy

luffy declared war on big mom in fi
but she wasnt chasing him
she told him to meet her
the actions in wci led to her actively chasing luffy and now leads to this just like he said it would

He was degraded to Luffy's dog on a leash and when its needed Luffy just goes - GO SICK EM BOY, GO GO. Now I already know what you guys will say - But Beky Zoro did that before Time Skip too. And yes, you would be right - the difference is that Pre Time Skip Zoro had other stuff going for him besides that. Pre Time Skip whenever the crew visited a new island the main question would be - I wonder what every person in the crew will do? Post TS the only question being asked about Zoro is - Who will Zoro fight? If you think I am wrong, just check all Zoro threads here. Now, I understand his ambition is to be WSS but does he really have nothing else going on in his life besides that? If that is enough for you to like Zoro i seriously wish you all the best and enjoy him to the fullest. To me that isn't enough. I preferred Zoro when he had a soul to him, when he wasn't this Edgelord that only wants to fight people. Yea he is cool sometimes but its shell of what he used to be. A much more alive character with less edgy persona.

At this point its clear you cannot read
zoro in wano has had a full plot from the start of the arc to now where he is heavily invested in the arc
starting from joining luffy saving tsuru meeting tama feeding the people meeting yasu going to ebisu town fighting onimaru which led to the weapons for the samurai saving hiyori seeing yasu die attacking orochi in anger getting enma training all leading to this fight against kaido
hes shown so much emotion this arc more than most pre skip arcs.

With last 2 points in mind I'll just say it - Zoro lost his soul as a character. If Sanji lost his morality and sanity, Zoro lost his soul. He was stripped of his personality, of his Vice Captain role and adventures and was transformed into 1 dimensional character whose whole purpose in arcs now is to fight and fight and fight and to be a servant to Luffy and be ready to denounce his dream for him. That is Zoro, the Soulless. And if personally believe Zoro is the reflection of a certain part of his fandom. Quick to lash out, always ready for a conflict and angry af. If you are a chill Zoro fan that enjoys Zoro for who he is you will know about whom I exactly talk about and you will agree with me that is the case. If you are the person that sees yourself in what I said about then this thread will most likely go ape shit crazy. I am not satisfied how Oda took Zoro and stripped him of his personality and made fighting his only personality trait. Zoro was a way better character pre TS and even tho he was a hard ass then too at least he wasn't an Edgelord that only serves to fight people.

nope what weve established is everything you wrote was a load of shit
you have no clue what youre talking about and you got bodied

 

[trav]

imagine liking Zoro

 

[executor partner]

>And occasionally voice his opinion as a vice captain ​

that

in most cases falls on deaf ears or he is just plain wrong. ​

That's gotta be the stupidest shit I've heard. Whenever he speaks everyone shuts up and listen to what he has to say and he is also always 100% right. There's no in between.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Back when Zoro was cool.

 

[Sir Tuna Sandwich II]

imagine liking Zoro

Imagine not being a silly pleb like yourself

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Back when Zoro was cool.

Woro is always cool

 

[Finalbeta]

Back when Zoro was cool.

I didn't particularly enjoy that version of Zoro.

I think his demeanor was quite over reactive, now he is a real badass and also a much more nature personality. His quirks are much cooler since he exudes confidence but also a much wider sense of reliability.

 

[imacub]

I didn't particularly enjoy that version of Zoro.

I think his demeanor was quite over reactive, now he is a real badass and also a much more nature personality. His quirks are much cooler since he exudes confidence but also a much wider sense of reliability.

agree, imo his current version is better than his Pre TS version character wise

 

[Finalbeta]

agree, imo his current version is better than his Pre TS version character wise

Your own avatar is a proper depiction of Zoro's potential.

 

[KiriNigiri]

Back when Zoro was cool.

All those gifs of him laughing are within the first 50 chapters of the story. That’s deliberate. Zoro hadn’t met Mihawk and learned how much weaker he is in the grand scheme. He hasn’t laughed like that since, but that doesn’t mean he’s stopped smiling or enjoying himself during off times.

Go to any kanpai, or the various examples pulled by @Zenos7 and @Rukusho

Zoro becoming some hard head who feels no joy is a myth perpetuated by the fact we don’t see him as often post timeskip compared to pre timeskip.

 

[HA001]

All those gifs of him laughing are within the first 50 chapters of the story. That’s deliberate. Zoro hadn’t met Mihawk and learned how much weaker he is in the grand scheme. He hasn’t laughed like that since, but that doesn’t mean he’s stopped smiling or enjoying himself during off times.

Go to any kanpai, or the various examples pulled by @Zenos7 and @Rukusho

Zoro becoming some hard head who feels no joy is a myth perpetuated by the fact we don’t see him as often post timeskip compared to pre timeskip.

Its not even true. Check my posts. Ive compiled zoro smiling post time skip without including him smiling cutting or getting enma theres loads of it.

 

[Konstantis]

Agree Zolo now is boring paper character, without soul

 

[KiriNigiri]

Its not even true. Check my posts. Ive compiled zoro smiling post time skip without including him smiling cutting or getting enma theres loads of it.

Yeah, that’s what I was getting at. This whole critique falls apart as it’s based on falsehoods and selective reading.

 

[HA001]

Yeah, that’s what I was getting at. This whole critique falls apart as it’s based on falsehoods and selective reading.

Its espeically stupid to bring this up in wano when hes been front and center for the arc and has been through the emotional wringer.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

I didn't particularly enjoy that version of Zoro.

I think his demeanor was quite over reactive, now he is a real badass and also a much more nature personality. His quirks are much cooler since he exudes confidence but also a much wider sense of reliability.

You can be funny and badass and serious at the same time. Look at Sanji for example. I mean I get that Zoro have to be serious because this is the New World and you are fighting against real threats but it doesn't mean that you can't allow to enjoy yourself.

All those gifs of him laughing are within the first 50 chapters of the story. That’s deliberate. Zoro hadn’t met Mihawk and learned how much weaker he is in the grand scheme. He hasn’t laughed like that since, but that doesn’t mean he’s stopped smiling or enjoying himself during off times.

Go to any kanpai, or the various examples pulled by @Zenos7 and @Rukusho

Zoro becoming some hard head who feels no joy is a myth perpetuated by the fact we don’t see him as often post timeskip compared to pre timeskip.

Ever since Mihawk trained Zoro, he doesn't feel like he enjoy life anymore. Like he have to be serious all the time that's all I have to say. One of the few time Zoro was serious and cheerful at the same time is when Zoro telling Luffy to get serious in Punk Hazard and that we are in the New World. That's one of the best moment for Zoro right there.

 

[KiriNigiri]

You can be funny and badass and serious at the same time. Look at Sanji for example. I mean I get that Zoro have to be serious because this is the New World and you are fighting against real threats but it doesn't mean that you can't allow to enjoy yourself.

Ever since Mihawk trained Zoro, he doesn't feel like he enjoy life anymore. Like he have to be serious all the time that's all I have to say. One of the few time Zoro was serious and cheerful at the same time is when Zoro telling Luffy to get serious in Punk Hazard and that we are in the New World. That's one of the best moment for Zoro right there.

This is untrue, Goat, and you know it. I don’t have pull examples, others have already done that in this thread.

 

[Lion of Olympus]

Zoro has become the stereotypical “badass” shonen character. He’s sooo boring now. It’s like every time he appears now Oda has to constantly remind us how “cool” he is. The “teleports behind u” panels are everywhere now

 

[Finalbeta]

Don't see why people believe Zoro is boring.

He is not even the same man he was back in FI, so his character is not even always the same but relentlessly developing and in my opinion in the better overall.

 

[Ballel]

The “teleports behind u” panels

What's that?