Character Discussion ZorovSanjivOda
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I legit just like to troll the fandom.
I even imagined a scenario where Zoro would get Nidai instead of Enma, and I didnt change a single feat he had. Only wanted to get rid of the trash ass Enma wank.
He's on the roof, and on the roof he will stay.
But seriously. There's just too much material to play with.
I can't resist.
I like the "don't look down on Nico Robin, "bitch"". I like these moments when the crew hype each other. I think that's neat.
I'm annoyed with his Kalifa 2.0, but I'm patiently waiting.
Not so patiently, ngl.
Fuck "Kalifa 2.0".
But if this truly ends up with a "robin saves sanji, then takes on Black Maria", it will all be worth it.
Praise Nico Robin.
And Praise BAE Maria.
I even imagined a scenario where Zoro would get Nidai instead of Enma, and I didnt change a single feat he had. Only wanted to get rid of the trash ass Enma wank.
He's on the roof, and on the roof he will stay.
But seriously. There's just too much material to play with.
I can't resist.
I like the "don't look down on Nico Robin, "bitch"". I like these moments when the crew hype each other. I think that's neat.
I'm annoyed with his Kalifa 2.0, but I'm patiently waiting.
Not so patiently, ngl.
Fuck "Kalifa 2.0".
But if this truly ends up with a "robin saves sanji, then takes on Black Maria", it will all be worth it.
Praise Nico Robin.
And Praise BAE Maria.
Im on the same boat with you, want badass feats for Sanji but trolling the fandom is too easy because hypocrisy is easy to see
For this war the Khalifa 2.0 is absoultely stupid, there's no progression, we're going backwards on Sanji here.
If he got away there would have actually been progress, but he's been primarily Gagged as a character in this war.
Why do we care what sanjis gonna do this arc when eos sanji cannot even dream of ripping open HYBRID KAIDO like zoro will this arc.
Zoro will literally have feats this arc that eos sanji cant dream about and youre saying current sanji is a mid diff
As for the op.
No.
Luffy fans are weak.
They couldnt even handle luffy losing his haki the other chapter.
They wouldnt last 2 seconds with the retarded shit like beetlegifter/black tooth
Zoro will literally have feats this arc that eos sanji cant dream about and youre saying current sanji is a mid diff
As for the op.
No.
Luffy fans are weak.
They couldnt even handle luffy losing his haki the other chapter.
They wouldnt last 2 seconds with the retarded shit like beetlegifter/black tooth
Ill point out an example of Zoro character progression
In EL: When Usopp said he was coming back, Zoro said he'd better apologize or else he'd leave the crew
In Zou: Zoro put full faith in Luffy that he would make sure Sanji did what Usopp did without saying (apologizing) He put his full foot ahead on the goal at hand and was analytically correct about Sanji getting involved with BM, because she ended up coming to Wano.
That is character progression, Zoro becoming less emotional and more analytical
In EL: When Usopp said he was coming back, Zoro said he'd better apologize or else he'd leave the crew
In Zou: Zoro put full faith in Luffy that he would make sure Sanji did what Usopp did without saying (apologizing) He put his full foot ahead on the goal at hand and was analytically correct about Sanji getting involved with BM, because she ended up coming to Wano.
That is character progression, Zoro becoming less emotional and more analytical
Here's what I thought:
997: meh, another one shot out of nowhere.
1000: Oh cool, so he's gonna fight the yonkos now. Probably no ZvsKing then.
1001: Ok. Hit him together with Killer. Ok. This "need to release more Enma" is trash. fuck this sword and Oden.
1002: "That's not an ordinary SWORD". Oh ffs. At least the panel was cool.
1003: Again with this Enma wank? For real? At least it seems to be toned down.... He's probably going to open the scar during Luffy's cooldown.
What I saw:
997: OGMOGMOGOGOMGOMGOMGOMOGMOGOGMOGOGOGMGOMG ONE SHOT APPOOO!!!!
1000: OMGOGMOGMOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMOGM ZOWO ON THE ROOF! FUCK CANDIBOIS! LMAO! SANJI VS PAGEONE!!! LMAOOOOOOOO
1001: OMGOGMOMGOMGOMGOMGOM ZORO MADE KAIDO BLEED. OMGOGMMGOGMMGOMGMOG TOP SUPERNOVA ON THE ROOF.
1002: OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOGOM HE MADE KAIDO DODGE. YONKOS SHITTING THEMSELVES AGAINST ZOWO. CREATE THREAD "ZORO HAS THE BEST FEAT ON THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF ALL FICTION, AND IT'S KINDA NUTTY". "WHY ZOWO>>>>PRIME ROGER".
1003: OMGOGMOGMOGMOGOMGOM ZOWO CARRYING THE ROOF. LUFFY TRASH CANT EVEN MAINTAIN GEAR4. ZOWO BUILT DIFFERENT. KIDD TRASH. LAW TRASH. KILLER TRASH. ONLY ZOWO IS ABOVE ALL. OMGOMGOMGOMGOM LMAAAAOOOOO.
How the heck do people not expect someone to mock this kind of wank?
It's kinda mandatory.
I too was a young grasshopper who got overly hyped with feats from my favorite characters. But the things I see here, beat me and my childhood friends' overhyped expectations by a fucking mile. Not even a contest.
I will never forget the "our fandom has beat your fandom" that someone sent me. It was peak comedy, especially because it was a serious comment.
997: meh, another one shot out of nowhere.
1000: Oh cool, so he's gonna fight the yonkos now. Probably no ZvsKing then.
1001: Ok. Hit him together with Killer. Ok. This "need to release more Enma" is trash. fuck this sword and Oden.
1002: "That's not an ordinary SWORD". Oh ffs. At least the panel was cool.
1003: Again with this Enma wank? For real? At least it seems to be toned down.... He's probably going to open the scar during Luffy's cooldown.
What I saw:
997: OGMOGMOGOGOMGOMGOMGOMOGMOGOGMOGOGOGMGOMG ONE SHOT APPOOO!!!!
1000: OMGOGMOGMOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMOGM ZOWO ON THE ROOF! FUCK CANDIBOIS! LMAO! SANJI VS PAGEONE!!! LMAOOOOOOOO
1001: OMGOGMOMGOMGOMGOMGOM ZORO MADE KAIDO BLEED. OMGOGMMGOGMMGOMGMOG TOP SUPERNOVA ON THE ROOF.
1002: OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOGOM HE MADE KAIDO DODGE. YONKOS SHITTING THEMSELVES AGAINST ZOWO. CREATE THREAD "ZORO HAS THE BEST FEAT ON THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF ALL FICTION, AND IT'S KINDA NUTTY". "WHY ZOWO>>>>PRIME ROGER".
1003: OMGOGMOGMOGMOGOMGOM ZOWO CARRYING THE ROOF. LUFFY TRASH CANT EVEN MAINTAIN GEAR4. ZOWO BUILT DIFFERENT. KIDD TRASH. LAW TRASH. KILLER TRASH. ONLY ZOWO IS ABOVE ALL. OMGOMGOMGOMGOM LMAAAAOOOOO.
How the heck do people not expect someone to mock this kind of wank?
It's kinda mandatory.
I too was a young grasshopper who got overly hyped with feats from my favorite characters. But the things I see here, beat me and my childhood friends' overhyped expectations by a fucking mile. Not even a contest.
I will never forget the "our fandom has beat your fandom" that someone sent me. It was peak comedy, especially because it was a serious comment.
But tell me at the same time from 997 to 1003, why sanji fans were also noisy ? it's funny that you are saying it had too much elements to troll but considering sanji's situation, how do you have even the urge to mock the others ? being in the worst situation possible, falling in the same trap every arcs by women and have the nerve to make fun of others ? Let people just enjoy themselves, move on or maybe you are just jealous that people are wanking their fav because you don't have that chance ? that's kinda pathetic, no ?
I really don't think any YC is a neg-low diff fight for Zoro and Sanji is definitely soloing one this arc. Though being grouped in panels such as these is enough portrayal.
Sanji has had little growth to his character, which is very true. But tbh, I loved him for his badass moments in the first place. Which is why I don't really like Post-TS Sanji.
Sanji has had little growth to his character, which is very true. But tbh, I loved him for his badass moments in the first place. Which is why I don't really like Post-TS Sanji.
I really don't think any YC is a neg-low diff fight for Zoro and Sanji is definitely soloing one this arc. Though being grouped in panels such as these is enough portrayal.
Sanji has had little growth to his character, which is very true. But tbh, I loved him for his badass moments in the first place. Which is why I don't really like Post-TS Sanji.
Sanji has had little growth to his character, which is very true. But tbh, I loved him for his badass moments in the first place. Which is why I don't really like Post-TS Sanji.
All characters have their badass moment, but in my view, i think a few of them have actually progressed well since timeskip
Luffy and Nami to me are next closes to Sanji with characters with least character growth since timeskip
From 997 to 1003, all you said it's true because that actually happened so lots of Zoro fans just exploded af lol! But were they really wrong? You started from 997 but you forgot to mention before that chapter, most people (don't need to mention who) trolled Zoro for not being able to take down Apoo in 2v1 or made fun of people who said Zoro wanted to face only Kaido. So when it actually happened, they were just happy and countered back everyone who mocked them for many months/years, nothing wrong afaik.
But tell me at the same time from 997 to 1003, why sanji fans were also noisy ? it's funny that you are saying it had too much elements to troll but considering sanji's situation, how do you have even the urge to mock the others ? being in the worst situation possible, falling in the same trap every arcs by women and have the nerve to make fun of others ? Let people just enjoy themselves, move on or maybe you are just jealous that people are wanking their fav because you don't have that chance ? that's kinda pathetic, no ?
But tell me at the same time from 997 to 1003, why sanji fans were also noisy ? it's funny that you are saying it had too much elements to troll but considering sanji's situation, how do you have even the urge to mock the others ? being in the worst situation possible, falling in the same trap every arcs by women and have the nerve to make fun of others ? Let people just enjoy themselves, move on or maybe you are just jealous that people are wanking their fav because you don't have that chance ? that's kinda pathetic, no ?
You think I'm gandhi or some shit?
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From 997 to 1003, all you said it's true because that actually happened so lots of Zoro fans just exploded af lol! But were they really wrong? You started from 997 but you forgot to mention before that chapter, most people (don't need to mention who) trolled Zoro for not being able to take down Apoo in 2v1 or made fun of people who said Zoro wanted to face only Kaido. So when it actually happened, they were just happy and countered back everyone who mocked them for many months/years, nothing wrong afaik.
But tell me at the same time from 997 to 1003, why sanji fans were also noisy ? it's funny that you are saying it had too much elements to troll but considering sanji's situation, how do you have even the urge to mock the others ? being in the worst situation possible, falling in the same trap every arcs by women and have the nerve to make fun of others ? Let people just enjoy themselves, move on or maybe you are just jealous that people are wanking their fav because you don't have that chance ? that's kinda pathetic, no ?
But tell me at the same time from 997 to 1003, why sanji fans were also noisy ? it's funny that you are saying it had too much elements to troll but considering sanji's situation, how do you have even the urge to mock the others ? being in the worst situation possible, falling in the same trap every arcs by women and have the nerve to make fun of others ? Let people just enjoy themselves, move on or maybe you are just jealous that people are wanking their fav because you don't have that chance ? that's kinda pathetic, no ?
It's the "our fandom beat your fandom" all over again.
LMAO.
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[Zoro stomps Sanji, then now and forever and this is coming from biggest Sanji diehard fanboy on the forum]
yes CLEARLY you’re a sanji fan
Rofl
Blind hater
If you think pre ts zoro stomp pre ts sanji then please back that claim with evidence
Again kids getting their feelings hurt because they don’t want to hear the truth
Childish behavior needs to be called out
So you can learn from it
Believe me you will thank me later
trolling strangers on the internet makes you happy and accomplished
I feel sorry for you
yes CLEARLY you’re a sanji fan
Rofl
Blind hater
If you think pre ts zoro stomp pre ts sanji then please back that claim with evidence
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You are on tbe internet trying to tell 16 year olds to grow up because they are joking around talking about a manga
I think you need to grow up and not take this too seriously and stop trying to act "grown up" so you can feel better about your life.
I think you need to grow up and not take this too seriously and stop trying to act "grown up" so you can feel better about your life.
Childish behavior needs to be called out
So you can learn from it
Believe me you will thank me later
trolling strangers on the internet makes you happy and accomplished
I feel sorry for you
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This a dog shit reasoning, these shitty panels don't imply anything.
You have Zoro and Kinnemon destroying door together so Zoro = Kinnemon?
Do you have any concrete portrayal such as statements from on lookers claiming Zoro and Sanji are similar level?
Do you have someone mistaking Sanji as Vice Captain like people mistake Zoro as Vice Captain?
Do you have something like Luffy and Zoro being in the panel of top 5 pirates of new Generation alongside Kidd Law and Killer?
Do you have something like Zoro and Sanji actually fighting like Luffy and Zoro fought?
Do you have any data book claiming Zoro and Sanji are close like you have 3 data books claiming Luffy and Zoro are equal?
Zoro and Sanji literally have no actual portrayal, just photo moments. These two fodders mean shit, either Zoro and Sanji could solo them, Oda just wanted to show case Luffy's two strongest subordiantes. Doesn't mean third strongest can't be a no diff for 2nd strongest.
Sanji has no feats, portrayal or hype atm to be anything more than a stomp for Zoro. He got nearly stomped by King and King is nothing more than mid diff for Zoro.
I am not gonna give Sanji some benefit of the doubt when he has looked like dog shit while Zoro is looking like a walking God among men.
Okay
Pre TS Arlong Stomped Sanji
Arlong was shitting his pants against Zoro
Which makes sense cuz Luffy defeated Arlong mid/high diff and Luffy and Zoro were equals an arc later.
Arlong Park Luffy = Zoro > Arlong >> Sanji
Mr2 was a low diff fight for Mr1, dude couldn't even damage him with a direct kick. Sanji and Mr2 had a chapter titled "Equal Fight" meanwhile Zoro was constantly overpowering Mr1's stance and only was overpowered due to durability of Mr1 until he became even stronger. Shi Shi Son Son increases Zoro's speed and lethality. Zoro one shots someone 100s of times more durable than Sanjji wtih Shi Shi Son Son, how is Sanji gonna survive? Low diff win for Zoro.
In Skypea Sanji had to tag team where Luffy doing the main job to defeat Satori where as Zoro defeated Ohm, someone who would mid diff Satori at worst. Zoro has now added a RANGED MOVE to his arsenal that can one shot Sanji. How is Sanji gonna survive?
Low diff win for Zoro.
Enies Lobby was the only arc where Sanji gives Zoro mid diff but again once Zoro goes Ashura, he no diffs DJ Sanji.
Don't even get me started on Thriller Bark.
You have Zoro and Kinnemon destroying door together so Zoro = Kinnemon?
Do you have any concrete portrayal such as statements from on lookers claiming Zoro and Sanji are similar level?
Do you have someone mistaking Sanji as Vice Captain like people mistake Zoro as Vice Captain?
Do you have something like Luffy and Zoro being in the panel of top 5 pirates of new Generation alongside Kidd Law and Killer?
Do you have something like Zoro and Sanji actually fighting like Luffy and Zoro fought?
Do you have any data book claiming Zoro and Sanji are close like you have 3 data books claiming Luffy and Zoro are equal?
Zoro and Sanji literally have no actual portrayal, just photo moments. These two fodders mean shit, either Zoro and Sanji could solo them, Oda just wanted to show case Luffy's two strongest subordiantes. Doesn't mean third strongest can't be a no diff for 2nd strongest.
Sanji has no feats, portrayal or hype atm to be anything more than a stomp for Zoro. He got nearly stomped by King and King is nothing more than mid diff for Zoro.
I am not gonna give Sanji some benefit of the doubt when he has looked like dog shit while Zoro is looking like a walking God among men.
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Okay
Pre TS Arlong Stomped Sanji
Arlong was shitting his pants against Zoro
Which makes sense cuz Luffy defeated Arlong mid/high diff and Luffy and Zoro were equals an arc later.
Arlong Park Luffy = Zoro > Arlong >> Sanji
Mr2 was a low diff fight for Mr1, dude couldn't even damage him with a direct kick. Sanji and Mr2 had a chapter titled "Equal Fight" meanwhile Zoro was constantly overpowering Mr1's stance and only was overpowered due to durability of Mr1 until he became even stronger. Shi Shi Son Son increases Zoro's speed and lethality. Zoro one shots someone 100s of times more durable than Sanjji wtih Shi Shi Son Son, how is Sanji gonna survive? Low diff win for Zoro.
In Skypea Sanji had to tag team where Luffy doing the main job to defeat Satori where as Zoro defeated Ohm, someone who would mid diff Satori at worst. Zoro has now added a RANGED MOVE to his arsenal that can one shot Sanji. How is Sanji gonna survive?
Low diff win for Zoro.
Enies Lobby was the only arc where Sanji gives Zoro mid diff but again once Zoro goes Ashura, he no diffs DJ Sanji.
Don't even get me started on Thriller Bark.
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Yeah sure we don't know anything about King's abilities but best we can hope for is scale him to other commanders like Katakuri and Marco.
Katakuri's offense is hardly snakeman level while Zoro with his bare bottom move, Tatsumaki is doing something it requires not just ultimate Boundman new Technique, but 2 Haki blooms + Advanced Haki to do.
So even if King is on the same tier offensively as Boundman from Whole Cake Island, he virtually has no means of defending against Black Rope Dragon Twister that not only broke Kaido's scale, most hyped up part of his durable body, but also overpoewred 3 of his tornados. The move is literally a cylinder with at like 100 meter diameter and 300 meter height and Zoro does that in split seconds how would King even avoid that?
Zoro was easily tanking Big Mom serious attack that put down 5 Raid Suit power rangers in Whole Cake Island while King couldn't even put down one raid suit power ranger.
King literally can't show feats in this arc that would surpass Zoro's current feats against Kaido and Zoro is just getting started. What do you see King doing? Lighting the world on fire?
Katakuri's offense is hardly snakeman level while Zoro with his bare bottom move, Tatsumaki is doing something it requires not just ultimate Boundman new Technique, but 2 Haki blooms + Advanced Haki to do.
So even if King is on the same tier offensively as Boundman from Whole Cake Island, he virtually has no means of defending against Black Rope Dragon Twister that not only broke Kaido's scale, most hyped up part of his durable body, but also overpoewred 3 of his tornados. The move is literally a cylinder with at like 100 meter diameter and 300 meter height and Zoro does that in split seconds how would King even avoid that?
Zoro was easily tanking Big Mom serious attack that put down 5 Raid Suit power rangers in Whole Cake Island while King couldn't even put down one raid suit power ranger.
King literally can't show feats in this arc that would surpass Zoro's current feats against Kaido and Zoro is just getting started. What do you see King doing? Lighting the world on fire?
It's only gotten worse as breaks became more frequent, and more more people are catching up. That many readers, and all that time, you're bound to create wild ideas about the characters and story, which can clash with someone else's idea. And after periods of festering, when the story now suddenly doesn't align with your pov, the blowback will be worse. A clear example of a snowball's effect.
In the case of Zoro and Sanji specifically, as two young and attractive male characters, a lot of readers, predominantly male, project themselves onto them, and to insult (or what is perceived as insult) the one that's your favorite can be misconstrued as a personal attack towards you, so the "approriate response" is to employ ad hominem. This doesn't apply to everyone, mind you, but it's a common occurrence from my experience.
I lament the days where we could lightly poke fun at the characters. Discourse has become so vile, I really don't want any part of it. I've adult issues I have to worry about. Manga forums and the like should be a time of recreation, not an attack on my person because I hold different opinions on fiction.
In the case of Zoro and Sanji specifically, as two young and attractive male characters, a lot of readers, predominantly male, project themselves onto them, and to insult (or what is perceived as insult) the one that's your favorite can be misconstrued as a personal attack towards you, so the "approriate response" is to employ ad hominem. This doesn't apply to everyone, mind you, but it's a common occurrence from my experience.
I lament the days where we could lightly poke fun at the characters. Discourse has become so vile, I really don't want any part of it. I've adult issues I have to worry about. Manga forums and the like should be a time of recreation, not an attack on my person because I hold different opinions on fiction.