Anime & Manga Katakuri vs King and Queen

[ZenZu]

No Katakuri doesn’t just randomly get Marco feats Whats next, Katakuri Bounty going to be near Marco when its revealed.

Nothing random about it, he was dancing around attacks much much faster than anything King or Queen have shown with a hole in his stomach. So he's not getting touched.

Then on offense he can easily replicate Marco's range, infact his awakening gives him more/better ranged attacks than what Marco has shown so far, King failed to react to Marco's flame headed towards him, good luck arguing he's going to brush off awakened mochi fists sprouting out from behind, infront, and above, him simultaneously, the same ones that were treating Bound Man like it was a pinball.

Katakuri has the capacity to replicate everything Marco has shown the last chapter. As far as pressuring the two goes, damage output remains to be seen Marco might have better CoA to combat tough exteriors.

That's not to say Katakuri would low diff King individually, it's just adding Queen doesn't solve most of his problems in this fight, they're still going to be the ones getting beat up for majority of the fight, because of Katakuri's FS and logialike df.

 

[CbShadow]

Marco is being hurt thus loses stamina fast and can't go for hours

Katakuri when he isnt hurt === Hours of fighting where fs isn't even weakened.

Only fatal blows or g4 tier attacks can weaken Katakuri

Calamities can't beat Katakuri.

Doffy = Croco
Kata = lucci + Enel
King/Queen = Jabra/Kaku
Kata has always been Twice above calamities who are just jabra and kaku of Nw.
2 of them ~ Katakuri
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How does any commander hurt Kata

Nkbody has even proven King or Queen can land hits on Kata
Just same stupid arguments " if they can hurt Marco then they would hurt Kata "
With what? Katakuri doesn't get hurt just cause you use haki or blasts or internal attacks ...it doesn't work like that on him

Marco? Cant dodge Linlin grab, can't react to onigumo
King? Can't react to Izo and Marco in time
Queen? Can't dodge or react to olin
Josu? Same one who was toyed by Doffy lol

Bring me proof not headcanons

Blasts or beams are useless on Katakuri

Just more headcanon. That's all you been doing since the spoilers.

You seem to believe that because Luffy has a problem with a main arc villain that everybody has to have a problem with that same character. That's not how the manga works. That'd be like claiming because Hody bite could break through Luffy's haki than he could break through anyone's haki until we see a scene where he fails to do same.

More previous post destroys your BS.

King and Queen destroys Katakuri. He's the weakest out of all of the top YC. He doesn't have Marco's endurance, strength or healing.

His fighting style revolves around avoiding attacks not enduring attacks. He's a defensive style fighter. He would not perform very well in Marco's situation. Cracker would perform better than Katakuri in that situation since his defensive style uses biscuits soldiers as "shields" to block and stop attacks. In fact, he has the best powers when it becomes to protecting other people because he could put up a wall of biscuit soldiers to protect chopper.

How quickly a character burns through their strengthen and endurance in battle is determined by the strength of their opponent(s). The Scabbards in the past could fight the beast pirates for hours yet their stronger selves couldn't even last one hour against Kaido.

FS is not a power that makes you unstoppable. Yes, you're harder to hit but remember a tie is not a win or a loss.. You can be undefeatable and still have zero wins.

Katakuri with his experience and skills using FS still couldn't use it perfectly all the time against Luffy. King and Queen would definitely make him lose his concentration.

There's nothing to show that King and Queen are slow or Marco is not incredibly fast. The official magazine stated at Queen was very agile for his size. People tried to claim that Kaido wasn't very fast when he blitzed G4. Now people realize that Kaido is incredibly fast after he hit a stronger more skilled FS Luffy. Big Mom is also fast which proves as a character over all strength goes up so does their speed.

Hitting Katakuri wouldn't be a problem for him.

Both of them being ancient zoan mean they both possess incredible strength, durability, endurance, and recovery. Katakuri doesn't have the power to put either one down.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Nothing random about it, he was dancing around attacks much much faster than anything King or Queen have shown with a hole in his stomach. So he's not getting touched.

Then on offense he can easily replicate Marco's range, infact his awakening gives him more/better ranged attacks than what Marco has shown so far, King failed to react to Marco's flame headed towards him, good luck arguing he's going to brush off awakened mochi fists sprouting out from behind, infront, and above, him simultaneously, the same ones that were treating Bound Man like it was a pinball.

Katakuri has the capacity to replicate everything Marco has shown the last chapter. As far as pressuring the two goes, damage output remains to be seen Marco might have better CoA to combat tough exteriors.

That's not to say Katakuri would low diff King individually, it's just adding Queen doesn't solve most of his problems in this fight, they're still going to be the ones getting beat up for majority of the fight, because of Katakuri's FS and logialike df.

Yes it is Random, Your a Kat fan like me that got hit with a dose of reality. Only difference is you holding on like those crazy Doffy fans did after Katakuri n Cracker got revealed.

Marco dodging all those attacks and speed blotzing him just like he was speed blitzing 2 commanders bavk to back. Katakuri doesn’t have any feat like that.

 

[ZenZu]

Yes it is Random, Your a Kat fan like me that got hit with a dose of reality. Only difference is you holding on like those crazy Doffy fans did after Katakuri n Cracker got revealed.

Marco dodging all those attacks and speed blotzing him just like he was speed blitzing 2 commanders bavk to back. Katakuri doesn’t have any feat like that.

You legit said nothing here.

This has nothing to do with Doflamingo. Cracker was already superior to Doflamingo in many ways, in half the panel time.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

You legit said nothing here.

I said he doesn't have anything to show he can take on a first commander and Queen. He got beat up by Luffy who was just entering that level in the fight.

 

[ZenZu]

I said he doesn't have anything to show he can take on a first commander and Queen. He got beat up by Luffy who was just entering that level in the fight.

Except he does. I just told you how he does it, Queen and King don't have any feats or portrayal to put them on snakeman + FS level of speeds, and if a mortally wounded Katakuri could dance around that, he is not getting touched by King or Queen as long as his FS lasts.

Go ahead and tell me from what they've shown how they can touch Katakuri, I'll wait.

Luffy was entering that level as a whole, his G4 boundman has always been a commander tier threat, was treating Doflamingo like a ping pong ball, and then Katakuri proceeded to treat G4 boundman like his personal punching bag.


The only thing that can save them are Kings fire based feats (and potentially Queen's unseen weapons), which have a big spread, but he wasn't using them last chapter. So yes Katakuri absolutely can replicate everything last chapter and then some.

That's just on defense, offensively Kata has more options in range than Marco has shown. He can sprout arms instantly from every angle possible, can turn the whole environment into mochi at the same time. He has effortless range.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

marco>>>>>>>>king/kata

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Before kata showed awakening and power mochi.......where would people ranked kata? Similar is the case with king.....let the man show everyrthing he has first.......he has yet to use his hybrid+ some fire abilities + maybe some unique quirks because of his race.....

 

[Roronoa-sama]

Before kata showed awakening and power mochi.......where would people ranked kata? Similar is the case with king.....let the man show everyrthing he has first.......he has yet to use his hybrid+ some fire abilities + maybe some unique quirks because of his race.....

kata is one of the most ovarreted character i never see. He is yc1 as the same of king but marco is another league between admiral/yonko and yc1 (it's the same from luffy and zoro)

 

[Loki D. Terror]

kata is one of the most ovarreted character i never see. He is yc1 as the same of king but marco is another league between admiral/yonko and yc1 (it's the same from luffy and zoro)

Well kata is very strong + match ups matter also........marco vs kata is a tricky fight..........marco wins by hype.........just talking about king here....

 

[Roronoa-sama]

Well kata is very strong + match ups matter also........marco vs kata is a tricky fight..........marco wins by hype.........just talking about king here....

kata didn't can playing with king and queen (i'm sorry i know you are kaidofanboy but that is we were seeing)

 

[Sentinel]

Katakuri is stronger than them individually (imo it's a high-extreme diff fight between Katakuri and King and a mid diff fight between Katakuri and Queen) but the duo clearly wins.

First of all, I do think Katakuri can replicate the same feats. He has the speed, the reactions, the AoE and versatility. He can combine this stuff with FS which makes him far more broken than people giving him credits for.
Can he injure them in the same manner though? No, clearly not. Sure, he would injure them with Power Mochis but that ain't G4 tier. He wouldn't injure them as much as Marco with a few hits.

Hence, Katakuri would take around 2 -3x as much efforts to injure them as Marco which will tire him even faster than someone like Marco. Remember, Marco was exhausted and injured after an hour - and said guy is known for tanking and regenerating top tier attacks back in MF.

Katakuri's FS and his shapeshifting would save him a lot against those attacks but it wouldn't last long for sure. He was already getting stressed by base Luffy's speed and flexibility, that's a fact. Thus, consistently dodging attacks from two guys having comparable stats to him on top of AoE stuff like Queen's lasers and plagues and King's wildfire - which even burns for several days - will fuck him up far more.

The duo mid-high diffs him; ultimately since healthy Katakuri will teach them what hell is until he runs out of stamina and/or Haki. That's the part when they will overwhelm him very fast.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Except he does. I just told you how he does it, Queen and King don't have any feats or portrayal to put them on snakeman + FS level of speeds, and if a mortally wounded Katakuri could dance around that, he is not getting touched by King or Queen as long as his FS lasts.

Go ahead and tell me from what they've shown how they can touch Katakuri, I'll wait.

Luffy was entering that level as a whole, his G4 boundman has always been a commander tier threat, was treating Doflamingo like a ping pong ball, and then Katakuri proceeded to treat G4 boundman like his personal punching bag.


The only thing that can save them are Kings fire based feats (and potentially Queens unseen weapons), which have a big spread, but he wasn't using them last chapter. So yes Katakuri absolutely can replicate everything last chapter and then some.

That's just on defense, offensively Kata has more options in range than Marco has shown. He can sprout arms instantly from every angle possible, can turn the whole environment into mochi at the same time. He has effortless range.

1.No you didn't, you told me your headcanon, i got panels of Marco doing it, thats the difference. FS isn't the end all be all. We already seen that. Apoo knocked Luffy out, Ulti pinned Luffy and Kaido knocked Luffy out. This isn't 2018

2. Soon has Luffy got to Katakuri level he fought equal. Katakuri couldn't handle another Luffy fighting him in 2 v 1. He got knocked out by 1 luffy.

3. Doffy is overhype trash. and Katakuri got wrecked by boundman.

4. Ill wait for you to show me Doffy even being implied he can take on two people of that caliber.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

@Sentinel

Are you saying Katakuri loses High diff to the scenario Marco’s in or against hybrid King/Queen?

 

[Sentinel]

@Sentinel

Are you saying Katakuri loses High diff to the scenario Marco’s in or against hybrid King/Queen?

Katakuri loses high diff to the scenario Marco is in, yes. I don't think even Hybrid Marco would beat both Hybrid King and Hybrid Queen tbh.

King can spam fire balls, huge AoE based fire attacks, he can attack with his sword while Queen has access to his plague and technology including pacifista lasers.

 

[ZenZu]

1.No you didn't, you told me your headcanon, i got panels of Marco doing it, thats the difference. FS isn't the end all be all. We already seen that. Apoo knocked Luffy out, Ulti pinned Luffy and Kaido knocked Luffy out. This isn't 2018

What on earth does that have to do with Katakuri's FS feats? Does Luffy have a shapeshifting Logia like fruit?

I don't think you're understanding that everything you just mentioned here barring Kaidou's thunder bagua is far far below snakeman + FS speeds, and Katakuri was still outworking that.

Luffy has always been clumsy at the beginning of every arc. Are you going to tell me he's slower than CC, weaker than Monet, etc. the list goes on.

2. Soon has Luffy got to Katakuri level he fought equal. Katakuri couldn't handle another Luffy fighting him in 2 v 1. He got knocked out by 1 luffy.

Except he didn't. He was still being tagged far more than Katakuri. You're either being dishonest or you need to reread the fight.

3. Doffy is overhype trash. and Katakuri got wrecked by boundman.

Due to plot, he was eating donuts in the middle of battle, he wasn't using FS. As long as his FS is active, Boundman gets dominated. If you want to argue Queen and King can make Katakuri lose his calm, that's a different debate, I'm saying as long as FS is active, good luck.

Again I'll have to keep making this point until it gets through to you, Snakeman with attack speeds >>>>> What king and Queen have shown, along with FS, along with a hole in his stomach, was being outsped by Katakuri. You have no argument based on the last chapter, on how Katakuri can be touched.

4. Ill wait for you to show me Doffy even being implied he can take on two people of that caliber.

Idk wth this is even supposed to mean.

Again you managed to say a whole lot of nothing. The argument is he can replicate what Marco did last chapter, which he absolutely can, we have the feats for it. The only thing you managed to say was "I like Katakuri too, but It's not 2018". I never asked, I'm not here to worship cartoon characters dawg, I'm not gaining anything by skewing things in favour for something drawn by a man in his desk. I'm trying to be as objective as I can with what these characters have shown and are capable of, you have little to no argument.

Not even saying he's winning this fight, they still haven't shown everything anyway.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

What on earth does that have to do with Katakuri's FS feats? Does Luffy have a shapeshifting Logia like fruit?

I don't think you're understanding that everything you just mentioned here barring Kaidou's thunder bagua is far far below snakeman + FS speeds, and Katakuri was still outworking that.

Luffy has always been clumsy at the beginning of every arc. Are you going to tell me he's slower than CC, weaker than Monet, etc. the list goes on.


Except he didn't. He was still being tagged far more than Katakuri. You're either being dishonest or you need to reread the fight.



Due to plot, he was eating donuts in the middle of battle, he wasn't using FS. As long as his FS is active, Boundman gets dominated. If you want to argue Queen and King can make Katakuri lose his calm, that's a different debate, I'm saying as long as FS is active, good luck.

Again I'll have to keep making this point until it gets through to you, Snakeman with attack speeds >>>>> What king and Queen have shown, along with FS, along with a hole in his stomach, was being outsped by Katakuri. You have no argument based on the last chapter, on how Katakuri can be touched.


Idk wth this is even supposed to mean.

Again you managed to say a whole lot of nothing. The argument is he can replicate what Marco did last chapter, which he absolutely can, we have the feats for it. The only thing you managed to say was "I like Katakuri too, but It's not 2018". I never asked, I'm not here to worship cartoon characters dawg, I'm not gaining anything by skewing things in favour for something drawn by a man in his desk. I'm trying to be as objective as I can with what these characters have shown and are capable of, you have little to no argument.

Not even saying he's winning this fight, they still haven't shown everything anyway.

1.Luffy has FS, he doesn't need any shape-shifting Logia. Wano showed FS ain't shit and not the end all that it was propped up to be in WCI.
2. Katakuro got hit by Snakeman. He wasn't outworking it at all. They hit each other around the same amount of times while Luffy is in snakeman. Shit Luffy hit him in base when he was getting closer to FS.
3. I never said he weaker than those people, i said FS isn't some auto win stuff.
4. Luffy and Katakuri fought equally in snakeman and before that when he was getting closer to his FS he hit him in base form. Lol Noting suggest he can keep up woth another person on that level when Luffy beat his ass by himself. Luffy needed all his attention.

5. None snakeman attacks hit Katakuri

6. You literally have no fears for him handling two people on thar level for extended period of time. He lost to one person on that level. Luffy was all he could handle

 

[omegalul]

why is marco's speed being given to katakuri lol

Kata is not blitzing either king or queen like marco is doing

Nor does he have the damage output marco has

All he can do is hope to dodge, then eventually die

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

why is marco's speed being given to katakuri lol

Kata is not blitzing either king or queen like marco is doing

Nor does he have the damage output marco has

All he can do is hope to dodge, then eventually die

Because its what people like @ZenZu do after reality hits. They start saying characters can do things they was never potrayed to do. Like fight Smiles, Queen, King for 30-45 minutes after clashing with Big mom earlier.

 

[QQH]

Kata ain't taking both King and Queen at once. Marco's failing at that and not only is he stronger than Kata, but he's tailor made for stalling. I'd argue he's stronger than either individually though.