Who is this "Oden"?


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He also opted not to do anything with her when he *did* have the setup, buildup, ample opportunity...if not in the flashback where she supposedly died, then when? Also, I disagree that he wouldn’t just bring that up out of nowhere, because that’s exactly what he did in said flashback before dropping the topic entirely. I understand she probably holds a lot of secrets regarding the central ethos of the series, but we all know the end is near and getting closer every chapter...how much longer do we need to edge like this?
I'm pretty sure he mentioned in one of his interviews that he nervous/worried when doing the Oden flashback because with every chapter he drew he was afraid he might reveal to much of the story at the time.

I'd honestly be pissed more than anything if he made any major reveals regarding the void century in a flashback without the Straw Hats being present.... That kind of information should not be cheapened and wasted on a flashback. He did what he was supposed to do as a writer and set up her character in the event he plans on using her in the Future..... But revealing what she knows in a flashback, and not with the Straw Hats? That would have been beyond garbage.
 
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Man even if that Oden is real or not this arc is so fucking trash. Just name this arc "Oden" already.

10 fucking years waiting for a good SH arc to be focused on some Gary Stu that everyone magically loves and gets all the focus. What's next, fucking Zoro saying "I LOVE ODEN!!!"?

Fuck this arc, just give me Laugh Tale and end this already.
Man, considering this comment and your avatar, i'm sure you're loving the last arc of SNK. :josad:

Fucking Isayama, give us back Eren.
 

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Alright now that you've started this let's go by your claim. You are not going to back off from the fact that their were literally western styled people with cowboy hats and pubs in Wano?
And you won't accept the fact that the author himself confirmed monsters as canonical to one piece and will keep saying it's not just because you want it to not be?
 
And how does it matter?
Devon is at the complete opposite side of the New World and she still has no idea how Oden looked like.
Lol, people think Lafiette will hypnotize both Devon and Blackbeard, then he will make them both ave same dream like Inception, then Devon can see BB image of Oden... and also know the details about his scabbards
LMAO
 
Okay guys i think its very likely its kanjuro based on this logic and studying the environment and the nature of the spoilers
Note that i am not saying its not possible its something else but just stating why its IMO likely its kanjuro

* Oden walks in on the scabbards + who ever was healing them


*That means him and who was healing them were not together. Alot of the assumption is that Oden was brought back by Toki and that Toki was the person healing the scabbards, But that cant be the case because if That the case then Oden would have been with Toki from the beginning and healed the scabbards with her. Instead of going in sperate ways.
* Oden is not wearing his war kimono you would think that if hes going to war he would wear his war kimono that he always wore ( I am talking about the style he wore it)

* Oden was shown dying there is no way for Tokis DF to bring him from the dead, So it had to have happened before he died, Either that or he cheated "death" by faking it, This cant be because Oden did stand in a boiling hot bowl for a hour even if he survived he would have had scars on his legs. So for that to happen it must have happened not only before he died but before he stood in the bowl.
* If Toki send Oden to the future there is no reason to send her husband back in time just for him to get tutored and die. If he traveled to the future and saved the future and everyone was alive and safe then him going back to just die would make no sense.
*Oden would have helped the scabbards earlier in the first attempt on taking kaido and not wait for him to weaken them and potentially kill them.
* Oden face expression doesnt feel like hes coming into a war zone but instead feels like hes care free which makes no sense.
* If Oden was going to the future then he wouldnt give his swords away because he would think he will use them again and instead of telling toki to give them away he would have told her to hide them for his return.
*From what we have been shown in the manga Tokis DF cant make people travel into the past but only the future.

- now why is it kunjaro? It would make more sense. First off it would explain these things:
1. Oden kimono being down and up in his usual war style. As a result of him not thinking this is important detail while drawing him.
2. Kunjaro knows about Enma and Ama which would allow him to draw an imitation of cheap fodder swords to throw the scabbards off, This way they would think that its really Oden because he knows about giving Enma and Ame away.
3- It would explain the weird timing. Like i said if it was Oden why not attack Kaido the first time with the scabbards when they were at full health? Instead he waited until they were weak.
4- This is why hes smiling with a weird face expression. Its similar to Kunjaro personality where hes care free and smiling always
5- Would explain why Oden was not healing the scabbards with the person behind the silhouette. And came on his own.

* Then why is Kunjaro doing this?
The only plausible and logical explanation is that Kunjaro realized somehow that the Scabbards are very weak and is trying to lure them into a trap by drawing an imitation of Oden. This could mean Orochi is alive aswell and is in this plan. This would explain the Momo and Ame forshadowing. It would make way for Momo to go fight Orochi and beat him which will make him feel that hes worthy of holding Ame since he inherited it.
This would also mean that the other person is probably not Toki at all, But Probably Hiyori and that Hiyori might confront the fake imitation of her father.

What do you guys think? Does this make sense or nuh?

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I still bet on the " bring him for shorttime in the future and help Kinemon and co to fight Kaido only to die after the battle ends".
Devon have no point to Wano, would be to much out of context to have her alongside Hiyori/Toki. Onimaru wouldn't disrespect Oden and bringing up burnes souls like Kinemon or Hiyori via using a shapeshifting about a person with he never meet. Let say Hiyori? She wouldn't also wanna hurt the scabbards with the face of her father to bring them in crying she rather would reveal herself as Oden.

From all fake Oden arguments Kanjuro make the most sense, trying to trap the Scabbards. But again their was a women crying over the bodies of the Scabbards with I assume it is rather Hiyori or Toki.

But let say all that plot for fake Oden reveal(put Kanjuro by side) for only to come out Hiyori and Onimaru messing up? What is the point to reveal Oden in this way to end up in Hiyori, Oda know the fanbase would actually hate such trolling, who would give a fuck about Hiyori, why all the mystery about her if we already knowing her?

My bet is still that we see Toki crying over the Scabbards with healing them and after they fake up the summon Oden perfeclty for the war.
 
Oden being Present now is Hype but bringing him back after that Epic Death is disappointing
Gyukimaru or Kanjuro doing this is Logical & Possible but it's also disappointing for baiting both Readers & Scabbards

Only possibility of this Scene being Relevant & taking us somewhere is if this is actually Devon & Blackbeard Pirates will appear in Wano
Or at least some of them (BB sent Burgess to take Mera Mera No Mi from Dressrosa, why wouldn't he do the same for Wano)

Jack is coming after them so this Oden whoever he is will need to Fight him & i think this is what will confirm for Us & Scabbards if he is truly Oden or a Fake
Didn't blackbeard and his crew all leave fullalead last intermission? They're heading somewhere "before the navy gets it"
 
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Why no Fukurokuju option? he seems like a good candidate.

We don't know his abilities, and Transformation Jutsu is a classic in ninjutsu (and i'm not talking about Naruto here). We also know he is inside Wano, he probably has met Oden in the past or has access to paitings / Orochi to tell him how he looked like. He also has the longer ears that could've been the original shadow. And his is MIA for now.
 
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