General & Others Roger Pirates Parallels

#25
Urouge never, ever mentions the concept of "first mate" in Japanese.

Bartolomeo's statement gets added a "(by me)", so it's even stressed by Oda to be a subjective assessment by a fanboy (wouldn't even surprise me the author were mocking you all).

Zoro's official role is combatant as per Vivre Card, like Lucky Roo but unlike Benn Beckman. "First mate" is an official title that only a few "right hand men" share. I stated a fact, yours is just an opinion.

"The guy who beat him up in enemy territory" yet both Luffy and Sanji were perfectly aware of the circumstances leading to that situation. Some of you should accept for once that Luffy doesn't rule his crew as you'd wish in your wet and autocratic dreams and that he's an empathetic leader that takes an approach based on interdependence. Precisely, in that moment it was Nami, your so-called "left hand", who made the mistake of not understanding the circumstances as quick and clearly as Luffy did from the start.
The Viz panel has Urogue calling Zoro the second in command. And the biggest Straw Hat fan in universe considers Zoro the First Mate. Also, Killer is never referred to as first mate either, only a combatant. But Kidd still calls him his partner and it's obvious he's the First Mate of his crew.

The only one who didn't understand the circumstances of that moment was Sanji which is why he didn't trust in Luffy. Nami knew what was happening but she slapped Sanji because he should have never insulted Luffy's dream like that, regardless of his intentions. Nami is Luffy's left hand.
 

Doggo

Welcome to the House of Hope
#28
The only parallels that the Roger Pirates and the Straw Hat Pirates have is Luffy = Roger and Zoro = Rayleigh aka the Pirate King and the First Mate.

Stop forcing other parallels with random characters who have only appeared in 2 panels because you're desperate for your favorite character to be important. :pepecafe:
No Crocus and Brook parallel and their overuse of the same gag?
Ok then.
:pepecafe:

People reaaaaaaally getting triggered about Sanji getting compared to a, ahem, "background character", huh?
LMAO.

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. ONLY ZORO CAN GET THE PARALLEL. WE OPEN EXCEPTION FOR LUFFY BECAUSE HE MC, BUT HE DOEST DESERVE AS WELL. PLEASE ONLY GIVE GLORY TO GRANDMASTER-SAMA.":pepemotion:

I like how the MC gets 1 parallel in Roger, but Zoro has Rayleigh, Oden and Ryuma. One parallel for each of his swords? :tchpepe:

Y'all should hit the brakes, drink some tea, sniff some flowers and relax.

There's Z-E-R-O harm in people comparing Sanji to Gaban, but some here just act like this is some kind of heresy or some shit.
Oda literally went out of his way during Oden's flashback to draw both Rayleigh and Gaban standing the ground to confront Oden. Then comes Roger referring to them as his 2 best fighters. Imagine if the story had put Zoro and Sanji as Luffy's 2 best fighters, huh?
Everytime a new crewmate appears , starts this "sanji is no longer M3", and they are wrong every time. It's actually fucking amazing how much tilted people get over this freaking character.
It's simply not enough for these people Zoro being stronger and more popular. The "enemy" must also be "destroyed".
The ONLY thing people compared Sanji to Gaban is related to their strenght position within the crews, and if you want to deny that believing Sanji is not the third strongest SH, I legit don't know what to say to you. You clearly are delusional and blinded by hatred towards a fictional character that you could simply ignore. :sanjimeh:
 

Doggo

Welcome to the House of Hope
#30
Last I checked it was Luffy whom Rayleigh trained not Zoro. The only parallel between both crew's is Roger's hat and Luffy being a pirate king in the future.

Every crew has a chef and a first mate. It is nothing special to compare to specifically Roger's crew
The way they get recruited is similar in the sense Roger basically "forces" Rayleigh to join him.
 
#38
The Viz panel has Urogue calling Zoro the second in command.
So I tell you that Urouge doesn't speak of Zoro as the first mate (which is a specific, official title) in Japanese and you bring me one of the many translations in other languages that aren't Japanese.

And the biggest Straw Hat fan in universe considers Zoro the First Mate.
The biggest fan in universe didn't even know Sanji's real face nor Sogeking's. He's a fanboy, arguably a caricature of some real fans, whose information is completely partial and whose assessments are subjective.

Also, Killer is never referred to as first mate either, only a combatant. But Kidd still calls him his partner and it's obvious he's the First Mate of his crew.
He isn't. "First mate" isn't about being the right hand man, the very obvious buddy of the captain or whatever you want: it's about being the first mate as an official title in a specific profile of hierarchy that the Roger Pirates had but the Whitebeard Pirates didn't, for example.

The only one who didn't understand the circumstances of that moment was Sanji which is why he didn't trust in Luffy. Nami knew what was happening but she slapped Sanji because he should have never insulted Luffy's dream like that, regardless of his intentions. Nami is Luffy's left hand.
For Nami to know what was happening she looked very clueless and was even told by Luffy to shut up as she interfered on his speech and questioned its words. It's not the first time she doesn't get Luffy's insight, though; in Jaya it happened the exact same thing.
 
#39
Oh yeah. You don't care so much as to make a thread just to show how much you dont care.
Not in the slightest :suresure:
Glad we're on the same page then :pepelit:
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So I tell you that Urouge doesn't speak of Zoro as the first mate (which is a specific, official title) in Japanese and you bring me one of the many translations in other languages that aren't Japanese.
I trust Viz on this.

The biggest fan in universe didn't even know Sanji's real face nor Sogeking's. He's a fanboy, arguably a caricature of some real fans, whose information is completely partial and whose assessments are subjective.
How does that matter? Oda shows a character who is dedicated to the Straw Hats and has a shrine for them and he thinks Zoro is the vice captain.


He isn't. "First mate" isn't about being the right hand man, the very obvious buddy of the captain or whatever you want: it's about being the first mate as an official title in a profile of hierarchy.
Well, agree to disagree then. We will never be on the same page if this is what you think. I prefer reading between the lines.


For Nami to know what was happening she looked very clueless and was even told by Luffy to shut up as she interfered on his speech and questioned its words. It's not the first time she doesn't get Luffy's insight, though; in Jaya it happened the exact same thing.
She wasn't clueless, she was shocked that Sanji would go that far. Luffy disagreeing with her doesn't suddenly make her not the left hand. He also disagreed with Zoro on Zou. Whenever there is an important decision to be made such as letting Usopp come back or going to save Sanji, we hear Zoro and Nami's input on it. Whenever there's an important crew moment like the formation of the Straw Hat Grand Fleet or Luffy and Law's alliance, Luffy either has Zoro or Nami with him.
 
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HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#40
So I tell you that Urouge doesn't speak of Zoro as the first mate (which is a specific, official title) in Japanese and you bring me one of the many translations in other languages that aren't Japanese.



The biggest fan in universe didn't even know Sanji's real face nor Sogeking's. He's a fanboy, arguably a caricature of some real fans, whose information is completely partial and whose assessments are subjective.



He isn't. "First mate" isn't about being the right hand man, the very obvious buddy of the captain or whatever you want: it's about being the first mate as an official title in a specific profile of hierarchy that the Roger Pirates had but the Whitebeard Pirates didn't, for example.



For Nami to know what was happening she looked very clueless and was even told by Luffy to shut up as she interfered on his speech and questioned its words. It's not the first time she doesn't get Luffy's insight, though; in Jaya it happened the exact same thing.
Didn't Barto figure out ussop was sniper king unlike the whole wg
 
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