General & Others Roger Pirates Parallels

#62
What kind of sorcery did you make to interpret it like this from what I said?
Because we started talking about whether it was right for Sanji to not trust Luffy in the context of Nami's reaction to it. I said the only person who didn't understand the circumstances of the situation was Sanji. By admitting he was at fault for not trusting Luffy, you admit that he didn't properly understand the circumstances of the situation and Nami was right to do what she did. Which is also why Sanji ended up apologizing to Nami specifically because he knew he was wrong. :kayneshrug:
 
#64
when ? ussop didnt get a bounty as ussop till after dressrosa

and even then it took them over 2 years
it took barto no time after seeing him


It didn't take them over two years because the Straw Hats were meant to be gone, if not dead, during those two years so no update was made. As soon as they went back and the world could see Usopp's face, the moment Sogeking's identity was made public.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#66


It didn't take them over two years because the Straw Hats were meant to be gone, if not dead, during those two years so no update was made. As soon as they went back and the world could see Usopp's face, the moment Sogeking's identity was made public.
lmfao it did take 2 years cause thats all post skip pics
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He can't go to raftel with no 4 red poneglyphs and you know who had those.
roger said he would have told him but wb said no
 
#71
Alone or he had the rest of the crew making a mess around whole cake island and he needed rescuing after to even get out of the island with the poneglyph copy
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Pirate King was rivalled by WB. What's your point?
True and Garp. But pirate king doesn't mean you are the strongest . But the world's strongest man title should imply no one can rival him in swordsmanship
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#72
Alone or he had the rest of the crew making a mess around whole cake island and he needed rescuing after to even get out of the island with the poneglyph copy
brook did it with half a crew and they ransacked and left totland a mess
if not for sanji wanting to save germa they could have left much earlier
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Alone or he had the rest of the crew making a mess around whole cake island and he needed rescuing after to even get out of the island with the poneglyph copy
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True and Garp. But pirate king doesn't mean you are the strongest . But the world's strongest man title should imply no one can rival him in swordsmanship
No one can, he doesnt fight shanks any more because of that his vc outright says hes waiting for someone stronger
 

Doggo

Welcome to the House of Hope
#75
Because we started talking about whether it was right for Sanji to not trust Luffy in the context of Nami's reaction to it. I said the only person who didn't understand the circumstances of the situation was Sanji. By admitting he was at fault for not trusting Luffy, you admit that he didn't properly understand the circumstances of the situation and Nami was right to do what she did. Which is also why Sanji ended up apologizing to Nami specifically because he knew he was wrong. :kayneshrug:
Dude, think it like this.
There's someone holding your family at gun point.
This person tells you that you must obey them or they will kill everyone you love.
Your friend appears inviting you to go out.
The dude with a gun might pull the trigger right there if you are interrupted.
You tell your friend that you are not feeling well.
Friend starts insisting.
Person gets impatient.
They shoot your family.
If you knew this could happen, would you say that pretending to be mad at your friend and telling them to fuck off just so they get the hell out of there as fast as possible a "wrong decision"?

Let me continue.
Your friend realizes something's off because they know you.
You get desperate and decides to beat him in order to make him hate you and leave.
Your friend still refuses to hate you.
You burst in tears because you can't say shit and beat him.

Later on, you eavesdrop the person with a gun saying he will kill you and your family either way.
When the person with a gun isn't watching you, you meet your friend.
You apologize for hitting him.
You then explain why you did it.
Let me repeat it. You apologize either way, because, regardless of the reason, you beat the shit out of your dear friend.
Friend says he forgives you and offers to help you either way.
Please.
please tell me how the fuck any of this was "wrong".
It simply was a hard situation and that's it.
 
#76
Just check the Japanese panel and look for the term "first mate" in Japanese.
Burden of proof is on you if you're claiming that Viz is wrong.


And he did so with Sanji's wanted, the guy with higher bounty, on top.
Yeah because he looked at Sanji's bounty poster second...Saying "X and Y, 2nd and 3rd" is commonly understood to be referring to X as 2nd and Y as 3rd. Zoro's bounty is irrelevant to the equation because he already has an insane reputation while Oda shows us that on-panel fodder don't know who Sanji is.


Exactly what I said. It's not a difficult statement to understand.Irrelevant to what the actual concept of "first mate" means. And so far the only person to address Zoro as "first mate" is, if I recall correctly, Bartolomeo (and "BY HIM" only).
And how is that supposed to be in your favor if everyone who has spoken about the crew hierarchy has said Zoro is the first mate or should be captain while no one has said anything about any other Straw Hat? Like I said, Urogue called him first mate too.


It has to and it factually is, that's why some confirmed right hand men aren't first mates. It's not about being spoon-fed but understanding what a "first mate" means and implies in terms of hierarchy.
First mate definition: the officer second in command to the master of a merchant ship.

The only time that all the Straw Hats were together while Luffy was passed out (in Thriller Bark), it was Zoro who stepped forward and faced Kuma while Sanji and the others were standing behind him and blushing at compliments.


Sure it was, and yet the first thing Sanji does is take charge and be the one to ask Luffy whether the group could make a move against the Big Mom Pirates, not Nami.
Are you saying it wasn't a gag? Nami and Chopper were literally making gag faces. Sanji takes charge in combat situations while Name takes charge in everything else.

But in this case Usopp didn't lead nor made choices during actual, significant travel time as a group.
So? She still called him captain. A gag is a gag. And Nami has overruled Sanji plenty of times just like on Punk Hazard when she decided to save the children while Sanji didn't want to.


You even have Oda paralleling Mohji and Cabaji to Zoro and Sanji, among tons of situations and hierarchies both explicit and contextual.
He parallels people who fight with each other a lot, okay? To celebrate Chapter 1000, he drew Zoro and Nami standing on either side of Luffy.


It's not like Sanji wasn't in Dressrosa and wasn't by Luffy's side in half of WCI. Amazing examples there.
Nami was by Luffy's side in WCI for way longer than Sanji. Just like Zoro defeated Pica so Luffy could advance, Nami was instrumental to Luffy in defeating Cracker so he could advance. He highlighted Nami's reaction to Sanji beating up Luffy for a reason. The point of the Dressrosa comparison was to show who was by Luffy's side the longest in each arc.
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Then why is the world's strongest swordsman rivaled by another who isn't even calling himself a swordsman ?
And to get to raftel you have to be strong to get the red poneglyphs from the emperors.
The Pirate King is rivaled by people who aren't the Pirate King either. I don't know what retarded point you're trying to make but GTFO my thread because it has nothing to do with that.
 
#80
Burden of proof is on you if you're claiming that Viz is wrong.



Yeah because he looked at Sanji's bounty poster second...Saying "X and Y, 2nd and 3rd" is commonly understood to be referring to X as 2nd and Y as 3rd. Zoro's bounty is irrelevant to the equation because he already has an insane reputation while Oda shows us that on-panel fodder don't know who Sanji is.



And how is that supposed to be in your favor if everyone who has spoken about the crew hierarchy has said Zoro is the first mate or should be captain while no one has said anything about any other Straw Hat? Like I said, Urogue called him first mate too.



First mate definition: the officer second in command to the master of a merchant ship.

The only time that all the Straw Hats were together while Luffy was passed out (in Thriller Bark), it was Zoro who stepped forward and faced Kuma while Sanji and the others were standing behind him and blushing at compliments.



Are you saying it wasn't a gag? Nami and Chopper were literally making gag faces. Sanji takes charge in combat situations while Name takes charge in everything else.


So? She still called him captain. A gag is a gag. And Nami has overruled Sanji plenty of times just like on Punk Hazard when she decided to save the children while Sanji didn't want to.



He parallels people who fight with each other a lot, okay? To celebrate Chapter 1000, he drew Zoro and Nami standing on either side of Luffy.



Nami was by Luffy's side in WCI for way longer than Sanji. Just like Zoro defeated Pica so Luffy could advance, Nami was instrumental to Luffy in defeating Cracker so he could advance. He highlighted Nami's reaction to Sanji beating up Luffy for a reason. The point of the Dressrosa comparison was to show who was by Luffy's side the longest in each arc.
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The Pirate King is rivaled by people who aren't the Pirate King either. I don't know what retarded point you're trying to make but GTFO my thread because it has nothing to do with that.
Pirate king is not the strongest‚ he is the one with most freedom. World's strongest swordsman needs to be unrivaled in swordsmanship...not stopped by Vista
 
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