Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1009 Spoilers Discussion

[Cinera]

The combination attack between Kaido and Big Mom Zoro stopped for a moment is called Hakai (覇海), meaning "conquering the sea".

It reminds us of Dorry and Brogy's Hakoku (覇国), meaning "conquering a nation".
Makes me wonder if Hakai is an upgraded version of Hakoku.

• Hakai: Conquering the Sea
• Hakkoku: Conquering a Nation
• Ikkoku Sovereignty: Nation's Might

Based on their names, the hierarchy of raw power is clear:
Hakai >> Hakkoku >> Ikkoku Sovereignty

When you factor in that Hakai was performed by Hybrid Kaido and Prometheus fused Mama together as a combo attack? I cannot explain just how insane an attack this was.

Even though Zoro blocked this for just a moment, he blocked it for long enough that the other Supernova could escape. This is highlighted by Kidd thanking Zoro for stopping the attack:

Kidd said "Thank you" to Zoro after the later stopped "Hakai" from Big Mom and Kaido for a moment.

No matter how I look at it, this is a solid top tier feat.

Santoryu Zoro now has two solid top tier feats:

• Hiryuu Kaen terrified two Yonkou due to its insane attack power.
  • Santoryu Zoro has solid top tier offensive prowess
• Zoro (momentarily) blocked an extraordinarily powerful — perhaps the most powerful — attack of two Yonkou in their strongest forms:
  • Santoryu Zoro has solid top tier defensive prowess

These are the two best feats on the Rooftop (including the Yonkou's own performances).

In general, Zoro seems to have a top tier package:

• Offensive Prowess
  • Hiryuu Kaen
    • It terrified Mama and made her warn Kaido to dodge.
    • After witnessing it Mama commented that they really underestimated him.
  • Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki
    • It completely overwhelmed Kaido's own Tatsumaki
    • It went on to badly cut him up
• Defensive Prowess
  • He could block Hakai for long enough to let the other Supernova dodge it.
    • Hakai means "Conquering the Sea".
      • It should be superior to these other attacks:
        • Hakkoku: "Conquering a Nation"
        • Ikkoku Sovereignty: "Nation's Might"
      • Conquering the Sea >> Conquering a Nation >> Nation's Might
    • Hakai is a top tier combination attack of two Yonkou in their powered up forms
• Endurance
  • He withstood Indra.
  • He withstood God of Lightning: Tenjin.
  • He withstood off panel attacks from Hybrid Kaido and Prometheus fused Mama.
  • He withstood Hakai after it overpowered his block.
• Reactions
  • He Blitzed Mama to intercept Heavenly Fire
  • He casually deflected Kaido's Wind Scythes
  • He could cut Boro Breath
  • He was able to grab Luffy and dodge Motherly Fire
  • He was able to dodge Kaido's wind scythes while carrying Luffy

The only reason that Zoro isn't a mid-top tier is that his stamina is too low for him to defeat mid-top tiers by himself. For what it's worth, I currently place Hybrid Kaido and Prometheus Fused Mama at high top tier.

Zoro has:

• The offence to severely damage top tiers
• The defence to stop the most powerful attacks of top tiers
• The endurance to withstand the most powerful attacks of top tiers
• The reactions to contend with top tiers

The main areas he seems to fall short of the solid top tiers.

• Stamina (established)
  • Top tiers can fight for days, but after maybe an hour of facing two top tiers (albeit in their strongest forms) with backup, Zoro was heavily panting
  • Zoro's staying power is not enough to let him win a fight against the true top tiers of the verse
• COO (speculative)
  • This is not as big a factor against Kaido and Meme, but perhaps Zoro might be challenged against Borsalino if his COO falls short.
  • Zoro has out reacted Luffy (a future sight user) on several occasions though, so this might well be irrelevant.

Given Zoro's feats so far, I think Zoro could have pulled off Rayleigh's feat of holding back a serious top tier for long enough to let the Strawhats escape. Maybe not Borsalino in particular (we don't know how his COO would measure up against him), but Kaido or Mama? It seems like it.

The only stat he's missing to defeat a top tier by himself is stamina. The stamina penalty is why I place Zoro at low top tier.

 

[Peroroncino]

Sanji could’ve also blocked those combined Yonko attacks

Sanji had to use diable jambe and team up with luffy just to block a casual punch from big mom

 

[Embers Kaios]

Why?
Doffy vs Kata isn't one sided (even tho Kata probably wins), the awakening vs awakening battle and extreme versatility of both would result in a beautiful and prolonged fight imo
Marco, as I said, is to strong... Doffy is still capable of keeping him busy for some time tho, imo

Doffy can’t hit Kata and be has inferior CoA as well as CoO so I’d say.....it’s pretty 1 sided bro

Doffy is best suited for Snack

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

The problem with doflamingo vs law is that law was already very tired beforehand running away from him and fujitora.

Then you have the fact doflmaingo studied laws devil fruit.

I think doflmaingo is overrated and underrated by the fandom.

He is a solid yc2 imo

Law was hella nerfed asf when he fought Doffy 1on1.
He using his df with running away and taking damage by Fuji and Doffy was too much, Oda clearly nerf him so he could hype Doffy.
Otherwise it would be a high diff battle for Doffy, Law biggest forte is his df+stamina, if he use to much stamina he get far weakenend.
Current Law should be above Doffy, Zoro as example clearly show the gap, he is beyond Doffys lvl. Every rooftop supernova would beat Doffy at this point, his fanboys don´t need to hype him he is not at the same lvl as the 5 rooftop stars.

 

[Mr.9000]

Its to be expected, every roof piece chapter, is making Zoro the mvp of this fight. This fight will be a bedtime tale for kids in OP.

 

[rerere]

My man Killer going real quick on Napoleon like "Nah u ain't doin' shit dude"

Waiting for this panel

 

[Indigo]

I need roof piece animated as soon as possible.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

zoro, kid, law and killer are stronger than pre-udon luffy.

And Pre Udon Luffy would stomp Doffy, just imagine this.

 

[Embers Kaios]

Sanji had to use diable jambe and team up with luffy just to block a casual punch from big mom

Who’s to say that Sanji alone couldn’t of blocked that punch? Chopper did it in Monster point

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Big Mom asks Kidd if he thinks he can beat her just coz she's bare fisted and then pins him down, proceeding to lay hits on him.

Kidd has much higher durability than Queen confirmed.

 

[Peroroncino]

Who’s to say that Sanji alone couldn’t of blocked that punch? Chopper did it in Monster point

Oda himself confirmed it in an sbs

 

[Kromage911]

Sanji could’ve also blocked those combined Yonko attacks

Maybe he could've done that through the plot's help, but his feats-wise? I don't think so.

 

[BleakAsh]

Why?
Doffy vs Kata isn't one sided (even tho Kata probably wins), the awakening vs awakening battle and extreme versatility of both would result in a beautiful and prolonged fight imo
Marco, as I said, is to strong... Doffy is still capable of keeping him busy for some time tho, imo

Katakuri has FS and better ARNAMENT to if u remember... he can evade doffy's strings easily by morphing himself as well.. his DF is versatile to.. but doffy will give him a high diff battle regardless..
Doffy vs King would be a fight to watch since doffy might actually win

 

[Tigapedang]

Glad that ive been a fan since the first opening one piece, i know that someday zoro will be better than main protagonist,

Now he block 2 yonko attack at once what a beast,
Cant wait to see mihawk vs zoro

 

[rerere]

Doffy can’t hit Kata and be has inferior CoA as well as CoO so I’d say.....it’s pretty 1 sided bro

Doffy is best suited for Snack

Pretty sure techniquees like Overheat spammed during Awakening would give difficulties to Kata
@BleakAsh this is what I think

 

[SinOfGreed]

Zoro out here stopping named combo attacks from 2 Yonko you love to see it

 

[Geo]

Doffy is a YC1 and majority of people still put him on YC3 at best, sometimes I question myself on where's the root of this problem...
If Doffy was here in Onigashima as Joker, he would be above King, Queen and Jack.

The root of the problem is the tier specialists.
Since Doffy was defeated before Yc3s were introduced/defeated, it means he should be weaker than them regardless of context.
This combined with the agenda peddling of some notable users concerning the myth of Cracker's performance and Jack's "top tier abilities" have been accepted by majority of the fandom for several years now.
It is no wonder that the recent fallback has been to blame Oda for Doffy retcon

 

[Irregular]

Does anyone still doubt that Santoryu Zoro is a low top tier?

It's doesn`t matter for me. The stronger Zoro, Luffy, and the others, the stronger Kaido.

 

[BleakAsh]

Fujitora’s feats against Zoro and Law looking mad good right now.

Fugitora wasn't even sweating let alone exerting

 

[Bil02]

Kid endures Big mom's hits,levitates Big Mom and sends her flying, creates a metal box to contain Zeus,thanks Zoro.

Law shambles Zeus into the metal box,sends Big Mom flying horizontally with rocks and tact.

Killer attacks and stalemates Napoleon.

Luffy occupies Kaido with Gomu Gomu no Red Fire

Zoro blocks a combined named attack from Emperors for a moment,allows his teammates to escape and cuts prometheus.

All Supernova did good this chapter.