Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1009 Spoilers Discussion

[Extravlad]

Kidd has much higher durability than Queen confirmed.

Bigmom did abslolutely nothing to Queen. He got up immediatly, was totally uninjured and concussed her into a coma.

 

[Finalbeta]

Glad that ive been a fan since the first opening one piece, i know that someday zoro will be better than main protagonist,

Now he block 2 yonko attack at once what a beast,
Cant wait to see mihawk vs zoro

Absolutely man.

I didn't expect Zoro to be so powerful in his Base form and yet my reputation on this site is the one of a Zoro wanker. In reality I only tend to be as realistic as I can when judging any character's strenght. Apparently Oda surprised in the other sense of direction.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

http://imgur.com/a/nGHHlls

Fujitora making the Yonko look like clowns.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

Pretty sure techniquees like Overheat spammed during Awakening would give difficulties to Kata
@BleakAsh this is what I think

Overheat was blocked by Law casually, Luffy easily tank it.
Katakuri is in every aspect above Doffy, he pummeled stronger Boundman Luffy in WCi, Oda make it clear that Katakuri was a another lvl.
I doubt Doffy can push a Yc1lvl character above mid diff, the difference is to large.

 

[OPKnK]

zoro, kid, law and killer are stronger than pre-udon luffy.

If that was the case law would have not need luffy to beat don .

 

[draganax]

And Pre Udon Luffy would stomp Doffy, just imagine this.

and katakuri, the power increase is insane.

 

[Embers Kaios]

• Hakai: Conquering the Sea
• Hakkoku: Conquering a Nation
• Ikkoku Sovereignty: Nation's Might

Based on their names, the hierarchy of raw power is clear:
Hakai >> Hakkoku >> Ikkoku Sovereignty

When you factor in that Hakai was performed by Hybrid Kaido and Prometheus fused Mama together as a combo attack? I cannot comprehend this.

Even though Zoro blocked this for just a moment, he blocked it for long enough that the other Supernova could escape. This is highlighted by Kidd thanking Zoro for stopping the attack:


No matter how I look at it, this is a solid top tier feat.

Santoryu Zoro now has two solid top tier feats:

• Hiryuu Kaen terrified two Yonkou due to its insane attack power.
  • Santoryu Zoro has solid top tier offensive prowess
• Zoro (momentarily) blocked an extraordinarily powerful — perhaps the most powerful — attack of two Yonkou in their strongest forms:
  • Santoryu Zoro has solid top tier defensive prowess

Zoro has several feats of reacting to Top tiers:

• He Blitzed Mama to intercept Heavenly Fire
• He casually deflected Kaido's Wind Scythes
• He could cut Boro Breath
• He was able to grab Luffy and dodge Motherly Fire
• He was able to dodge Kaido's wind scythes while carrying Luffy

While Luffy was unable to use haki for 10 minutes, Zoro managed to keep him safe as well.

Zoro also has at least one other feat at the low top tier level:

• His Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki completely overwhelmed Kaido's own Tatsumaki and badly cut him up

The main areas he seems to fall short:

• Stamina (established)
  • Top tiers can fight for days, but after maybe an hour of facing two top tiers (albeit in their strongest forms) with backup, Zoro was heavily panting
  • Zoro's staying power is not enough to let him win a fight against top tiers
• COO (speculative)
  • This is not as big a factor against Kaido and Meme, but perhaps Zoro might be challenged against Borsalino if his COO falls short.
  • Zoro has out reacted Luffy (a future sight user) on several occasions though, so this might well be irrelevant.

I would have mentioned endurance, but Zoro could still withstand Hakai after it overpowered his block, so he can withstand high top tier attacks. He was also shown bleeding in Chapter 1008, so he had already withstood some attacks from Hybrid Kaido and Prometheus fused Mama.

Given Zoro's feats so far, I think Zoro could have pulled off Rayleigh's feat of holding back a serious top tier for long enough to let the Strawhats escape. Maybe not Borsalino in particular (we don't know how his COO would measure up against him), but Kaido or Mama? It seems like it.

Does anyone still doubt that Santoryu Zoro is a low top tier?

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[Peroroncino]

Absolutely man.

I didn't expect Zoro to be so powerful in his Base form and yet my reputation on this site is the one of a Zoro wanker. In reality I only tend to be as realistic as I can when judging any character's strenght.

Same here i couldnt believe zoro blocked 2 yonko even if just for a second and i have been telling people to wait for panels but everyone is just wanking away.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Luffy and Zoro are admiral level right now.

 

[Extravlad]

Doffy is a YC1 and majority of people still put him on YC3 at best, sometimes I question myself on where's the root of this problem...
If Doffy was here in Onigashima as Joker, he would be above King, Queen and Jack.

Doffy is not YC1. There is a massive difference between the Katakuri and Doffy fights from a writing and thematical perspective.

Luffy spent the Katakuri fight figuring out how to SURPASS KATAKURI because he recognized that Katakuri was STRONGER than him

That element NEVER came into play with the Doffy fight, never did Luffy wonder how to win or admit inferiority.

 

[rerere]

The root of the problem is the tier specialists.
Since Doffy was defeated before Yc3s were introduced/defeated, it means he should be weaker than them regardless of context.
This combined with the agenda peddling of some notable users concerning the myth of Cracker's performance and Jack's "top tier abilities" have been accepted by majority of the fandom for several years now.
It is no wonder that the recent fallback has been to blame Oda for Doffy retcon

Tbf, I think that Jack is more underrated then overrated (I'm serious when I say that he has much more potential than King or Queen) but Cracker? Smoothie? Queen? Stalling aside, these Commanders can't actually beat Doffy imo

Agree on the fact that Doffy is ranked low cause was introduced before Commanders, clearly an error by these readers

 

[Irregular]

Luffy and Zoro are admiral level right now.

It means that yonko is much more stronger

 

[Rekien]

Sanji had to use diable jambe and team up with luffy just to block a casual punch from big mom

Vergo cracked his leg, can you imagine what kind of damage 2 yonkos would do to his leg? LMAO....Those sanji fans are crazy if they think Sanji can block any named atack of a single yonko, let alone two.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Law and kidd>calamities

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

It means that yonko is much more stronger

Nah. If Big Mom landed in the water than she literally just got defeated by Law and Kidd.

 

[Embers Kaios]

Doffy

no one on the roof woukd have been able to withstand that attack... just for mere seconds like zoro but what zoro did was partly a sacrifice

Well ofc not. It was an attack from 2 Yonko

 

[DiscoZoro20]

yeah that's the one, it was supposed to measure the difference in strength between him and whitebeard.

Dude no. Just stop. "Strongest Slash" Refers to "Mihawk's Slash" Because he is known as "the strongest". We have Seen Mihawk Himself use a far stronger attack afterwards when he cut the ice Wall.

 

[Salah WG]

Doffy is not YC1. There is a massive difference between the Katakuri and Doffy fights from a writing and thematical perspective.

Luffy spent the Katakuri fight figuring out how to SURPASS KATAKURI because he recognized that Katakuri was STRONGER than him

That element NEVER came into play with the Doffy fight, never did Luffy wonder how to win or admit inferiority.

Is Doflamingo Weaker than Cracker?

 

[Finalbeta]

Same here i couldnt believe zoro blocked 2 yonko even if just for a second and i have been telling people to wait for panels but everyone is just wanking away.

1 year ago I would believe that Zoro vs King could have been somewhat the replica of Zoro vs Kaku with Asura Zoro proving quite quite stronger. (Albeit I didn't believe it would happen, the fight I mean)

Turns out that now I'm talking about Kaido possibly be the Kaku of the situation here, at least potentially. But I think Oda isn't done with Kaido most likely, that would be too easy hence bad writing.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Y’all realize that if Big Mom actually landed in the ocean, then Law and Kidd just mid diffed a Yonko?