Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1009 Spoilers Discussion

[spawn]

They were fighting off-screen. Did you think Zoro stand there and never try anything and said that for fun? He using his best moves, but we can see Yonkos are easily fine and not even going full power on them. Again it's not to go on when he has Enma as his power up, not another one.

He got something for Luffy more as clearly he hasn't gone full power unlike Zoro who more in his limit side especially in that statement.

That's not even a logical sequence.
Luffy affirms that their attacks are doing something.
However, the attacks doing something doesn't equate to them having a viable way to win.
You realise that to defeat Kaido and Big Mom, it's going to take a lot more than just hurting them.

 

[MarineHQ]

Well he is on time-limit of G4. That is why he isn't doing much, but looks like he is now getting back into fray more. Going to show off more new moves from his side.

I hope he has power to spare. I don't like this G5 thing, but it may happen. Still would prefer another last g4 variant which puts the focus on raw AP

 

[Peroroncino]

he took it for a moment then got heavely wounded

then got up and slashed prometheus

 

[Patapujuro]

Zoro didn't do anything of that and headcannon to say he stronger than Rayleigh now. Honestly you guys are pushing it.

Bruh no wonder you say that you must be along those freaks who edits every chapter to give headcanon L to Zoro ...
How about you read the original chapters for once

 

[Bogard]

It'd be funny to see hybrid Kaido outperforming the Kaido / BM duo against the rooftop SN. Guess BM really was a nerf

 

[Cinera]

kaido has likely higher end club moves or dragon moves he didn't show, or with haki. + likely Awakening.

• Kaido has been using his top club techniques against the Supernova.
• It is unlikely that Hybrid Kaido can use any attacks stronger than Hakai.
• Given Law's comments that he couldn't use his abilities on Kaido/Mama because of their haki, they have probably been using haki.

Yep Enma can likely unleash top tier attacks but Zoro can't control that perfectly for now

There's no indication that Zoro can't properly control the attack. Kaido simply dodged after Mama told him to do so:

After Kaido successfully dodged the attack, Mama chastised him for greatly underestimating Zoro:

There's no lack of control issue here, Kaido simply dodged Zoro's Hiryuu Kaen.

I don't think this is a top tier feat.

And he didn't badly cut Kaido, you overstate it here.

• He completely overwhelmed a named technique from Kaido.
• He cut Kaido.

Lets see first how it is done first before overhyping the feat.

the injures he took from it.

He was able to later cut Prometheus to let them throw Mama off the Rooftop, so he wasn't placed out of commission.

Everything above is only high tier feat. Killer and co tanked prometheus or Zeus hits, fought Kaido etc etc.

Nah. Some high tiers have some stats on par with top tiers. Kata has COO above most top tiers.

• Zoro reacted to the attacks of top tiers on multiple occasions.
• Zoro withstood the attacks of top tiers on multiple occasions.

That other Supernova could perform similar feats doesn't discount them. It just shows how strong they are.

He never severely damaged top tier.

Hiryuu Kaen would have severely damaged Kaido had it landed:

• It was so potent that it terrified Big Mom (a top tier swordsman in her own right, and along with Kaido one of the most durable characters in the series). It compelled Big Mom to warn Kaido to dodge:
  
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  • This is the only attack on the Rooftop that Kaido felt the need to dodge.
• Just witnessing Zoro prepare the attack had Kaido shook:
  
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• After Kaido successfully dodged the attack, Mama chastised him for greatly underestimating Zoro:
  
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Zoro is not at all significantly above Kata and even more Marco. Once again you overhype here.

Kata does not have:

• The offensive prowess to significantly, let alone severely damage top tiers
• The defensive prowess to block attacks from top tiers
• The endurance to withstand attacks from top tiers

Kata has the reactions to contend with top tiers, but that's all he has.

 

[Shisui]

Kaido finally takes down the SN next chapter most likely.

Yh right, people have been saying this since chap. 1001
I really hope Oda doesn't let Kaido defeat the Novas just for them to pop up and defeat him in a day or so. The SNs should buss out their most powerful moves and kill this guy already.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

It'd be funny to see hybrid Kaido outperforming the Kaido / BM duo against the rooftop SN. Guess BM really was a nerf

Kaido will use awakening

 

[Pantheos]

@rerere

We need to put all those theory in some text or in one sheet, to keep the overview and maybe create a big whole theory, since we have some points already.

Starting:
- Ulti + P1 joining Kid Pirates
- Rivalery Killer + Zoro
- Killer gives Zeus to Nami
- Ulti Jealous of Nami cause of trading with Killer + cause of giving her back Zeus, which hurt Ulti
- Sanji jealous of Killer cause of trading with Nami (getting flirted by nami) + cause of rivalery with Zoro

- CoC Clash 4 Persons
- Kid next Power Ups...

There is a lot i dont think of right now. But we should get them together once. :D

 

[Patapujuro]

he took it for a moment then got heavely wounded

Yet he is still able to attack Prometheus

 

[MarineHQ]

guys ... I think people are REALLY sleeping on a major fact simply cause Zoro or Big Mom moments

in this chapter it was PROVEN that strong Haki can stop hax DF effects

so ...

if Law DF is hopeless to effect strong Haki what other DF users are hopeless to effect Strong Haki

Hancock?
Sugar?
Bonny?
Kuma?

by 1009 logic all of this DF "Hax" power are worthless in face of strong Haki users.
it was a theory back then but now it's a fact

Yes I think Oda is going the Bleach route where Hax guess less effective the higher the gap in reiatsu becomes.

 

[Paperchampion23]

guys ... I think people are REALLY sleeping on a major fact simply cause Zoro or Big Mom moments

in this chapter it was PROVEN that strong Haki can stop hax DF effects

so ...

if Law DF is hopeless to effect strong Haki what other DF users are hopeless to effect Strong Haki

Hancock?
Sugar?
Bonny?
Kuma?

by 1009 logic all of this DF "Hax" power are worthless in face of strong Haki users.
it was a theory back then but now it's a fact

It's why i don't think Dango would work on Kaido lol

 

[h_zorothegoat]

Kaido finally takes down the SN next chapter most likely.

wororo i hope soo, and i would love to see that since he's the best antagonist for me and he must get some shine.

 

[God Buggy]

Why ? Because we haven't seen it?

Rayleigh is a monster, even old. I would imagine that he can easily fight Kaido for at least some time.

It's crazy how people bring up Rayleigh stalling Kizaru as an argument when the emperors have been blocked by far weaker people lol

 

[stealthblack]

Yet he is still able to attack Prometheus

prometheus is trash

 

[zzShinichi]

It makes sense that the next SH named chapter is about Nami. The whole Sabaody's reversed order still lives on

 

[Rayleigh-Sama]

Nah, but he is fatigued... he can tank alot mire than that

but @T.D.A says luffy is wounded at the end of chapter

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

You're misunderstanding me. Zoro has been impressive in the rooftop battles, no doubt, but i'm saying it looks that way due to the fact it's focusing on Zoro's fortes. In terms of stat battles, Luffy is still superior

Yea,no he is not. Its funny how i predicted this shit. I said before they started fighting no more excuses fir either side because they will be fighting same opponent. I knew Oda won't make Zoro look worse, the only time is the hard counter with Enel. Lets stop with the excuses, Luffy needs to prove it, its that simp

 

[Finalbeta]

guys ... I think people are REALLY sleeping on a major fact simply cause Zoro or Big Mom moments

in this chapter it was PROVEN that strong Haki can stop hax DF effects

so ...

if Law DF is hopeless to effect strong Haki what other DF users are hopeless to effect Strong Haki

Hancock?
Sugar?
Bonny?
Kuma?

by 1009 logic all of this DF "Hax" power are worthless in face of strong Haki users.
it was a theory back then but now it's a fact

I wonder what if Sugar had a top haki. If her powers would still be countered assuming they even can right now.

 

[Peroroncino]

Hakai? Haki + eye. Zoro opens his eye! Zoro's CoC incoming!