Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1009 Spoilers Discussion
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If Oda turns Big Mom into an ally cos he has no legitimate way of defeating her. I am defintely putting her over Kaido
"If it's a one on one, Big Mom will always win"
"If it's a one on one, Big Mom will always win"
Yeah, this seems accurate. The Hakai was travelling in a straight line, but Zoro blocked it and deflected it upwards.
Killer did hurt Kaido, and the damage was enough to daze him a bit, but Kaido reacted by calling it merely "vexing":
On the other hand, when Zoro cut Kaido with Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki, Killer, Mama and Kaido's own reactions showed that Zoro dealt proper damage:
- Killer expresses surprise that Zoro cut Kaido:
- Mama is surprised at Zoro cutting Kaido:
- Kaido commented that "it hurts":
Or how even though Hiryuu Kaen missed, it was made clear that had it landed it would have dealt serious damage:
- It was so potent that it terrified Big Mom (a top tier swordsman in her own right, and along with Kaido one of the most durable characters in the series). It compelled Big Mom to warn Kaido to dodge:
- This is the only attack on the Rooftop that Mama warned Kaido to dodge.
- Just witnessing Zoro prepare the attack had Kaido shook:
- After Kaido successfully dodged the attack, Mama chastised him for greatly underestimating Zoro:
Oda has spent 5 Rooftop chapters emphasising that only Luffy and Zoro can properly damage Kaido, I am sceptical that it will change this late in the game.
Okay. So I read and looked through the images.
And I think we can form two perspectives on this, where both of us can be right.
From your perspective Luffy is not teaming up with the others despite the rest going play by play to handicap Big Mom.
From my perspective, Kaido is still a massive threat on the board someone needs to check. And Luffy becomes the bait, while the other four work on Big Mom. Since there was no initial vocal game plan, I'm going to assume Luffy already knew what to do.
From my perspective Luffy bought them that plan and it worked because Kaido was distracted. Just like how BM and Kaido working together dodged Zoros attack.
You think Luffy is dumb for this.
And I think Luffy is big brained for this.
We have different perspectives and biases, I guess.
And I think we can form two perspectives on this, where both of us can be right.
From your perspective Luffy is not teaming up with the others despite the rest going play by play to handicap Big Mom.
From my perspective, Kaido is still a massive threat on the board someone needs to check. And Luffy becomes the bait, while the other four work on Big Mom. Since there was no initial vocal game plan, I'm going to assume Luffy already knew what to do.
- Just like in Oden Castle, Luffy knew exactly when to separate from the strawhats and RS and be bait for Kaido.
- And just like wen Luffy went alone to the mirror World taking Katakuri to let the crew escape.
From my perspective Luffy bought them that plan and it worked because Kaido was distracted. Just like how BM and Kaido working together dodged Zoros attack.
You think Luffy is dumb for this.
And I think Luffy is big brained for this.
We have different perspectives and biases, I guess.
Doesn't matter if Luffy is 'big brained".
We have 5 people that are not used to fight alongside each other, except in some pairs, but Luffy is acting like they will already know what to do by following his lead.
Now, Oda CAN make they all fight quite nicely together and don't address this issue at all, which seems to be the way he is doing things right now, but I was expecting something a little bit more elaborate from this fight.
If Luffy would SCREAM for them to deal with BM, while jumping at Kaido, it wouldn't make a difference from the Yonkos' persperctive, since they legit believe the SN's aren't more than a nuisance. But it would make a world of difference for us to see ALL 5 of them doing things in order to achieve success.
Aggroing 1 enemy, while the rest of the team focus fire the other, is a valuable thing to do, I would actually rate it as THE MOST significant contribution, above even the "attack delay" from Zoro, but the "intent" is pivotal for me to actually think like that.
The "Roof 5" are not the "Batman Family" that is used to fighting together everyday and dont need to communicate during a fight, because they are all in sync.
We see that the 4 actually talk to each other and make a plan. Luffy is the ONLY one who doens't. Serious. A mere SCREAM would have made a world of difference here.
As things stand, I would love for Kaido to drop Luffy from the dome and he gets trapped fighting BM on a 1v1, while we ACTUALLY have a PROPER team fight on the roof with the remaining 4 against Kaido.
Nah. I think you're right. Was a little confused there because the mouth was REALLY wide open, and the sword seemed to be dropping.
Next page the sword is back to his mouth.
But Law still saved him, because the ground is still completely destroyed. If the attack was sent in the "diagonal" like some are saying, it wouldn't have destroyed the ground like it was a straight line.
Next page the sword is back to his mouth.
But Law still saved him, because the ground is still completely destroyed. If the attack was sent in the "diagonal" like some are saying, it wouldn't have destroyed the ground like it was a straight line.
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