I agree that just Law shambling people or using his DF doesn't necessarily mean Law haki > target haki but Law's haki definitely is a factor since Doflamingo thought he wouldn't be able to do anything to Vergo (meaning Law needed and extra factor besides his DF), if I were to use an ill advised and completely nonsensical headcanon analogy I would say it's like in the generic adventurer's guild quest system where you can tackle a job that is one rank above your own but not higher, so if Law's haki is A Rank he can affect S rank but not SSS Rank.
Powers & Abilities Law teleported Doffy multiple times on Green Bit but not Fujitora...
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having advanced CoA doesn't mean the haki is that powerful, it's just different way to "operate" the haki
however there are levels in haki, as kuri mentioned when he clashed with Luffy in an armament clash and overwhelmed Luffy's hardening CoA with his block mochi, this is an example of hardening CoA levels as kuri's block mochi is superior to Luffy's hardening.
however there are levels in haki, as kuri mentioned when he clashed with Luffy in an armament clash and overwhelmed Luffy's hardening CoA with his block mochi, this is an example of hardening CoA levels as kuri's block mochi is superior to Luffy's hardening.
How he gonna do it though, df still working under the water, Luffy basically could still move under water, it would just waste time since Doffy would get put up via his strings. But let play you logic "what if", why Law didn´t use MES when he had the chance to land a clear hit on Doffy? I speaking about the GK attack, instance of GK, he could use MES and cut off his heart, Doffy would be done. Yet he didn´t since he believe GK would do the job, not knowing that Doffy had a counter against GK, basically showing you "Plot" save him in that case.
This is Law cutting though Doffy haki:
This is Doffy, couldn´t cut though Law Haki(watch the damage behind Law, the strings cut a whole building showing how strong Doffy attack was:
Conclusion:
Law can cut Doffy though his haki with a regular cut swing, while Doffy with a 5strings and very much power behind his attack couldn´t cut Law...
This is Law cutting though Doffy haki:
This is Doffy, couldn´t cut though Law Haki(watch the damage behind Law, the strings cut a whole building showing how strong Doffy attack was:
Conclusion:
Law can cut Doffy though his haki with a regular cut swing, while Doffy with a 5strings and very much power behind his attack couldn´t cut Law...
Things are being escalated too rapidly.
All we know is that a good enough haki protection is capable to prevent Law from teleporting. We aren't firmly sure this applies with other devil fruit powers and which.
Assuming it did things should not be confused.
If someone's haki is stronger than Law by a little eventually they can still be affected until proven contrarily. And also strenght should be taken into account as well.
All we know is that a good enough haki protection is capable to prevent Law from teleporting. We aren't firmly sure this applies with other devil fruit powers and which.
Assuming it did things should not be confused.
If someone's haki is stronger than Law by a little eventually they can still be affected until proven contrarily. And also strenght should be taken into account as well.
Big Mom and Kaidou (?) must have passive haki on at all times, since we know Big Mom's durability is linked to her being in distress (Mother Carmel). It became dogshit when she broke down on WCI. So I'm not even sure they need to be on guard, but maybe for other characters that's a factor (Doflamingo), where they shield themselves with haki when on guard (is it conqueror's ? armament? wtf is it?) . Either way, Oda doesn't know what he's doing at all. And he refuses to explain any of this so he can get away with it in future situations.
Law's haki being above Mingo's shouldn't come as a big surprise though if that's the case, we had that example of Law completely blocking Doflamingo's five coloured strings with his bare arms when he used hardening (mind you Doflamingo had all the momentum in this attack yet couldn't damage Law), meanwhile Mingo couldn't stop himself from bleeding when he simply gripped Law's blade with hardening on his hand for support.
I wouldn't say not a factor, (maybe in the future if he improves his haki he can move stronger characters around), but it definitely doesn't guarantee his haki is > the character he is able to teleport.
Law's haki being above Mingo's shouldn't come as a big surprise though if that's the case, we had that example of Law completely blocking Doflamingo's five coloured strings with his bare arms when he used hardening (mind you Doflamingo had all the momentum in this attack yet couldn't damage Law), meanwhile Mingo couldn't stop himself from bleeding when he simply gripped Law's blade with hardening on his hand for support.
I wouldn't say not a factor, (maybe in the future if he improves his haki he can move stronger characters around), but it definitely doesn't guarantee his haki is > the character he is able to teleport.
How he gonna do it though, df still working under the water, Luffy basically could still move under water, it would just waste time since Doffy would get put up via his strings. But let play you logic "what if", why Law didn´t use MES when he had the chance to land a clear hit on Doffy? I speaking about the GK attack, instance of GK, he could use MES and cut off his heart, Doffy would be done. Yet he didn´t since he believe GK would do the job, not knowing that Doffy had a counter against GK, basically showing you "Plot" save him in that case.
This is Law cutting though Doffy haki:
This is Doffy, couldn´t cut though Law Haki(watch the damage behind Law, the strings cut a whole building showing how strong Doffy attack was:
Conclusion:
Law can cut Doffy though his haki with a regular cut swing, while Doffy with a 5strings and very much power behind his attack couldn´t cut Law...
This is Law cutting though Doffy haki:
This is Doffy, couldn´t cut though Law Haki(watch the damage behind Law, the strings cut a whole building showing how strong Doffy attack was:
Conclusion:
Law can cut Doffy though his haki with a regular cut swing, while Doffy with a 5strings and very much power behind his attack couldn´t cut Law...
In general admirals are being slept on since the times of Marineford sadly.
What occurred on the roof only indirectly hyped Akainu and Kizaru for the final war in that they will allegedly fight off versions of Luffy and Zoro fairly more potent than their Wano counterpart and very hardly being easily dealt with.
What occurred on the roof only indirectly hyped Akainu and Kizaru for the final war in that they will allegedly fight off versions of Luffy and Zoro fairly more potent than their Wano counterpart and very hardly being easily dealt with.
Part of this is incorrect.
Law only teleported Doflamingo when he's not in battle state or not paying attention to law, which means his haki(which is will) is not there to resist Law's DF ability. Law confirms that he can't teleport DD anytime he wishes after the Red Hawk combo.
Law teleports Doflamingo the same way he teleports Luffy sometimes, off guard, not paying Law combat attention.
In fact, it is very likely that Law couldn't shambles Vergo, which is why he had so much trouble getting his heart back, Law teleported his heart from Vergo's hand(very similar to what he did to Zeus), instead of teleporting Vergo himself. And this also explains why Vergo still believed his Haki can resist Law's DF.
Now, why did his Mountain level Amputate cut Vergo? To understand this, you have to understand how DF and Haki interact with each other in OP.
DF and Haki battles each other when used against each other(only when applied to the individual DIRECTLY). With different DF techniques, different amount of "power" is put into it, and when a character is in different state/form, he emits different level of Haki as well, for example, Shambles would have much lower DF power put into it than Mountain level Amputate, and Vergo in his full body Haki form, would emit stronger Haki than his normal form. And the one with more "power" wins.
So Mountain level Amputate "power" > Full Body CoA Vergo "resistance power" > Vergo "resistance power" > Shambles "power".
As the result, Full Body CoA Vergo gets cut, Shambles doesn't move Vergo.
Most people have this wrong, they think DF works or not is a "Haki battle" or if one individual resists ONE technique from this other individual, he resists ALL techniques, no, not the case, a DF user wouldn't battle a Haki user through Haki, he battles him through DF, it becomes DF vs Haki, NOT Haki vs Haki; also different DF techniques from the same DF ability, can have very different level of power.
Now like I said, this is only the case when DF technique is applied to the Haki user DIRECTLY(It's possible that attacking Logia user through Haki works this way as well), but if you make some type of construct through your DF, like a Gamma Knife or a Bari Bari no mi Barrier, it's a different case, the Haki user is dealing with the construct itself, instead of dealing with the "power" behind a DF technique, think of it as if Law use Takt to throw a giant boulder at you, you aren't dealing with "Takt" itself anymore, you are dealing with the boulder.
So basically Law can't teleport Vergo, Fuji, DD, BM, nor Kaido, when they are in battle state against Law.
Law only teleported Doflamingo when he's not in battle state or not paying attention to law, which means his haki(which is will) is not there to resist Law's DF ability. Law confirms that he can't teleport DD anytime he wishes after the Red Hawk combo.
Law teleports Doflamingo the same way he teleports Luffy sometimes, off guard, not paying Law combat attention.
In fact, it is very likely that Law couldn't shambles Vergo, which is why he had so much trouble getting his heart back, Law teleported his heart from Vergo's hand(very similar to what he did to Zeus), instead of teleporting Vergo himself. And this also explains why Vergo still believed his Haki can resist Law's DF.
Now, why did his Mountain level Amputate cut Vergo? To understand this, you have to understand how DF and Haki interact with each other in OP.
DF and Haki battles each other when used against each other(only when applied to the individual DIRECTLY). With different DF techniques, different amount of "power" is put into it, and when a character is in different state/form, he emits different level of Haki as well, for example, Shambles would have much lower DF power put into it than Mountain level Amputate, and Vergo in his full body Haki form, would emit stronger Haki than his normal form. And the one with more "power" wins.
So Mountain level Amputate "power" > Full Body CoA Vergo "resistance power" > Vergo "resistance power" > Shambles "power".
As the result, Full Body CoA Vergo gets cut, Shambles doesn't move Vergo.
Most people have this wrong, they think DF works or not is a "Haki battle" or if one individual resists ONE technique from this other individual, he resists ALL techniques, no, not the case, a DF user wouldn't battle a Haki user through Haki, he battles him through DF, it becomes DF vs Haki, NOT Haki vs Haki; also different DF techniques from the same DF ability, can have very different level of power.
Now like I said, this is only the case when DF technique is applied to the Haki user DIRECTLY(It's possible that attacking Logia user through Haki works this way as well), but if you make some type of construct through your DF, like a Gamma Knife or a Bari Bari no mi Barrier, it's a different case, the Haki user is dealing with the construct itself, instead of dealing with the "power" behind a DF technique, think of it as if Law use Takt to throw a giant boulder at you, you aren't dealing with "Takt" itself anymore, you are dealing with the boulder.
So basically Law can't teleport Vergo, Fuji, DD, BM, nor Kaido, when they are in battle state against Law.
