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ImmaIvanoM

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Kejon said:
Law is going to die. Hawkins can't even die.
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Law is too important to die... At least compared to Hawkins Law is too important to die

They even set this up already... When Hawkins captured law, his comment was "I'm not willing to engage with a man who doesnt care about the future" or something of the sort... As in Hawkins says that he doesn't want to fuck with Law because Law is living in the moment and will do anything in the moment to win as opposed to Hawkins who is always planning ahead and shit

See the interesting thing with this is, Law was like Hawkins way back when when he was planning to take down Doffy but the strawhats rubbed on off on him to gain that whole Winging it demeanor where plans don't matter and such... That means as far as character goes, law is a head of Hawkins and Hawkins has to grow in this way as well and stop being all about predicting the future and what not.


Now the greatest way of proving that you are living in the moment is putting your life on the line in the moment to accomplish something without thinking about what the future repercussions are... Law has done this already... In fact he's done this many times throughout Dressrosa and him doing it Again would be repetition.... But Hawkins hasn't done this and if his character arc is similar to Law’s then he will... BUTTTT it can't be exactly the same as law because that's repetition Again... So the outcome will be different... law survived death in so many ridiculous ways in Dressrosa and thats not happening for Hawkins... Hawkins will be the one to adopt the Law mentality but he dies instead so that he doesn't turn into another Law

Thats my case for why your man Hawkins will die
 
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Pantheos said:
Just a fancy and funny idea. Imagine Law changing the heart of Hawkins and one of his puppet-People and then stabs Hawkins in the heart with the sword. Hawkins will automatically Change the damage to one of his Puppet-People, which has his heart inside. So he is getting stabbed because he automatically dodged it with his DF.
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But how can he die when Law didn't stab Hawkins heart in the first place?
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ImmaIvanoM said:
Law is too important to die... At least compared to Hawkins Law is too important to die

They even set this up already... When Hawkins captured law, his comment was "I'm not willing to engage with a man who doesnt care about the future" or something of the sort... As in Hawkins says that he doesn't want to fuck with Law because Law is living in the moment and will do anything in the moment to win as opposed to Hawkins who is always planning ahead and shit

See the interesting thing with this is, Law was like Hawkins way back when when he was planning to take down Doffy but the strawhats rubbed on off on him to gain that whole Winging it demeanor where plans don't matter and such... That means as far as character goes, law is a head of Hawkins and Hawkins has to grow in this way as well and stop being all about predicting the future and what not.


Now the greatest way of proving that you are living in the moment is putting your life on the line in the moment to accomplish something without thinking about what the future repercussions are... Law has done this already... In fact he's done this many times throughout Dressrosa and him doing it Again would be repetition.... But Hawkins hasn't done this and if his character arc is similar to Law’s then he will... BUTTTT it can't be exactly the same as law because that's repetition Again... So the outcome will be different... law survived death in so many ridiculous ways in Dressrosa and thats not happening for Hawkins... Hawkins will be the one to adopt the Law mentality but he dies instead so that he doesn't turn into another Law

Thats my case for why your man Hawkins will die
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Sorry but why would Hawkins give up planning ahead and predicting the future. Law can't predict the future.

Law's character is over, he has no real place to go after Wano. I mean at this point he is just a straw hat. He doesn't even want to be PK.
Not to mention that, Law's devil fruit can give someone eternal youth. He is going to die in Wano for sure.
 
ImmaIvanoM

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ImmaIvanoM said:
Law is too important to die... At least compared to Hawkins Law is too important to die

They even set this up already... When Hawkins captured law, his comment was "I'm not willing to engage with a man who doesnt care about the future" or something of the sort... As in Hawkins says that he doesn't want to fuck with Law because Law is living in the moment and will do anything in the moment to win as opposed to Hawkins who is always planning ahead and shit

See the interesting thing with this is, Law was like Hawkins way back when when he was planning to take down Doffy but the strawhats rubbed on off on him to gain that whole Winging it demeanor where plans don't matter and such... That means as far as character goes, law is a head of Hawkins and Hawkins has to grow in this way as well and stop being all about predicting the future and what not.


Now the greatest way of proving that you are living in the moment is putting your life on the line in the moment to accomplish something without thinking about what the future repercussions are... Law has done this already... In fact he's done this many times throughout Dressrosa and him doing it Again would be repetition.... But Hawkins hasn't done this and if his character arc is similar to Law’s then he will... BUTTTT it can't be exactly the same as law because that's repetition Again... So the outcome will be different... law survived death in so many ridiculous ways in Dressrosa and thats not happening for Hawkins... Hawkins will be the one to adopt the Law mentality but he dies instead so that he doesn't turn into another Law

Thats my case for why your man Hawkins will die
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I can even go further with the reason I think Hawkins will die by examining his powers

Hawkins' power is literally to cheat death... This in itself creates a kind of Poetic justice Chekhovs Gun with the most redemptive act he can accomplish is to embrace the death... It's like certain jojo part five villain who had a specific power to cheat a certain thing and his defeat was him facing the thing he was cheating
 
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Zoan said:
he has to be older than shanks but younger than big mam and whitebeard

I'd say kaido is mid 50s aswell eten
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Kaido is considered to be part of the younger generation, like Shanks. BM and WB are the older generation. So yes. Kaido is way younger than Big Mom.
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ImmaIvanoM said:
I can even go further with the reason I think Hawkins will die by examining his powers

Hawkins' power is literally to cheat death... This in itself creates a kind of Poetic justice Chekhovs Gun with the most redemptive act he can accomplish is to embrace the death... It's like certain jojo part five villain who had a specific power to cheat a certain thing and his defeat was him facing the thing he was cheating
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Law is destined to die. He even has the ultimate devil fruit. Hawkins ain't dying.
 
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Kejon said:
But how can he die when Law didn't stab Hawkins heart in the first place?
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Sorry but why would Hawkins give up planning ahead and predicting the future. Law can't predict the future.

Law's character is over, he has no real place to go after Wano. I mean at this point he is just a straw hat. He doesn't even want to be PK.
Not to mention that, Law's devil fruit can give someone eternal youth. He is going to die in Wano for sure.
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Law is investigating the Will of D thing by hanging around Luffy for a while to see why Corazon cared about it... In fact Law is probably the only character who specifically actively cares about this major plot point... Not even Robin cares, all she ever said about it is that it exists... the fact that Law is directly tied to EndGame plot points means that he's an endgame character... If law is to die in this arc, you would have to make case for this arc being part of the endgame and stuff like the will of D being a plot point this arc which is highly unlikely since the arc villain has nothing to do with the will of D, that's Black beard

And besides that, are you gonna say Hawkins is such a flat character that he WON'T change the entire arc? You are advocating for him to be a card board cut out, you just drag him into a situation and he reacts how you expect with no hope for him to change or grow...Is this the Hawkins you want?
 
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Kejon said:
Law is destined to die. He even has the ultimate devil fruit. Hawkins ain't dying.
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You don't think that Hawkins devil fruit literally being a cheating death fruit will somehow affect the way his story progresses

Like Oda put so little thought into Hawkins having this very specific power and it will not affect how his character arc plays out?... Like Moriah having an abilty to steal other people's abilities directly tying into him beib a lazy fuck who was lterally kicked out of the Shichibukai for being lazy... Or Lucci having a carnivorous Zoan fruit directly feeding into his blood lust resulting into him disobeying orders to fight Luffy just to quench his blood lust... You're saying Oda forgot how to wrte characters by giving them DFS that tie into their character arc's when it comes to Hawkins specifically

You dont think at all that death might become a plot point for a character whose power is to cheat death
 
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Kejon said:
Be faster next time :lawbepo:
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No I don't think so. Who cares if Hawkins can avoid death? why does that mean he will die? :lawsigh:
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Because stories are written with themes in mind...

Luffy has to liberate people because that's a theme in the story... No matter if the Villain is too strong like WCI or the problem is too politically complicated like Fishman island or if it's a personal like Camie in Sabaody or if it's impersonal like Eneru in Skypiea and even if Luffy doesn't actually have to even fight like amazon lily... The themes of the story dictate the outcome because witout themes there's no point

What's the point of Hawkins' character if there's no themes? He has a very specific abilty and even you must know this isn't DBZ where Oda gives people powers for no reason... Of course Doflamingo has to be a metaphorical and LITERAL puppet master and he gets defeated because of his delusional sense of grandeur from supposedly being superior to everyone... Themes dude themes... Even Luffy specfically has a rubber fruit for a reason because Oda makes it a point that Luffy gets knocked down and bounces back in every arc like rubber

Let me ask then, whats the point of Hawkins having these very specific powers if they don't actually have thematic significance... Like why isn't Hawkins just a god of haki who can punch real good and can barely take damage if him surviving is the main point of his character?

Of course me saying he is gonna die is just a guess but at least I can derive themes and character arcs that are tied to both his personality and powers to justify why Oda would kill him to serve an actual message and not for plain shock value... Most people keep saying law has to die literally for the shock of it and nothing else
 
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ImmaIvanoM said:
Because stories are written with themes in mind...

Luffy has to liberate people because that's a theme in the story... No matter if the Villain is too strong like WCI or the problem is too politically complicated like Fishman island or if it's a personal like Camie in Sabaody or if it's impersonal like Eneru in Skypiea and even if Luffy doesn't atually have to even fight like amazon lily... The themes of the story dictate the outcome because witout themes there's no point

What's the point of Hawkins' character if there's no themes? He has atually very specific abilty and even you must know this isn't DBZ where Oda gives people powers for no reason... Of course Doflamingo has to be atually metaphorical and LITERAL puppet master atually he gets defeated because of his delusional sense of grandeur from supposedly being superior to everyone... Themes dude themes... Even Luffy specfically has a rubber fruit for a reason because Oda makes it a point that Luffy gets knocked down and bounces back in every arc like rubber

Let me ask then, whats the point of Hawkins having these very specific powers if they don't actually have thematic significance... Like why isn't Hawkins just a god of haki who can punch real good and can barely take damage if him surviving is the main point of his character?

Of course me saying he is gonna die is just a guess but at least I can derive themes and character arcs that are tied to both his personality and powers to justify why Oda would kill him to serve an actual message and not for plain shock value... Most people keep saying law has to die literally for the shock of it and nothing else
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Laws fruit is a death flag tbf.
 
ImmaIvanoM

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HA001 said:
Laws fruit is a death flag tbf.
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And Hawkins' fruit isn't? The man is a villain who cheats death... I mean Law’s fruit suppsedly has one tertiary ability that kills him but Hawkins fruit is directly tied to him avoidin death and he's a villain... Like it's very easy to say Kaido has to die because his introduction emphasizes he can't die...That's people actually making a good thematic connection.... How does hakwins' fruit also not warrant such scrutiny?
 
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