Anime & Manga Katakuri vs King and Queen
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I fail to see how Marco reacting to Kizaru's lasers makes him outstandingly fast or him having exceptional CoO. If anything, it proves that the lasers are in fact not as fast as people make it seem to be.
Yeah, not like I said a pacifista is as fast as Kizaru in general. We specifically talk about the Pacifista's laser, that is an exact replica of Kizaru's lasers. It's a fact, they work exactly the same. Same charge, same kind of explosion. And again, light is light. There are no stages of speed to light. It's just your bias that doesn't want to accept that Marco blocking Kizaru's lasers isn't a crazy feat.
Yeah, not like I said a pacifista is as fast as Kizaru in general. We specifically talk about the Pacifista's laser, that is an exact replica of Kizaru's lasers. It's a fact, they work exactly the same. Same charge, same kind of explosion. And again, light is light. There are no stages of speed to light. It's just your bias that doesn't want to accept that Marco blocking Kizaru's lasers isn't a crazy feat.
Yup. Because your takes are bullshit. Drake said, the Pacifistas are using Kizaru's lasers, emphasizing how far they have developed.
The facts:
- Same charge
- Same explosion
- Drake saying it's Kizaru's lasers
- there not being different speed stages to light, light always having the same speed no matter the source, period
- Whitebeard being able to have monologues while the attack is covering no more than 50 meters
All the facts are on my side, you have none at all, only claiming "Kizaru's lasers have to be (way) faster, because it's Kizaru after all".
The same Marco who is so super fast, suddenly can't react to fat Big Meme grabbing his neck. Same Marco gets his wing cut off by base King. Same Marco gets tagged by Queen's mouth gun.
Do you have a single freaking argument aside from "it's Kizaru"? I mean, a deathbeard Whitebeard with a hole molten into his chest, who couldn't react to Squardo (before getting a hole molten into his chest), stopped Kizaru in his tracks while he was dispelling into light to travel to Luffy.
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Kizaru's DF is still much more powerful of course. Much more destruction due to higher quantity and size of lasers, light speed body movement and charging physical attacks with light speed, plus forming swords from light.
The facts:
- Same charge
- Same explosion
- Drake saying it's Kizaru's lasers
- there not being different speed stages to light, light always having the same speed no matter the source, period
- Whitebeard being able to have monologues while the attack is covering no more than 50 meters
All the facts are on my side, you have none at all, only claiming "Kizaru's lasers have to be (way) faster, because it's Kizaru after all".
The same Marco who is so super fast, suddenly can't react to fat Big Meme grabbing his neck. Same Marco gets his wing cut off by base King. Same Marco gets tagged by Queen's mouth gun.
Do you have a single freaking argument aside from "it's Kizaru"? I mean, a deathbeard Whitebeard with a hole molten into his chest, who couldn't react to Squardo (before getting a hole molten into his chest), stopped Kizaru in his tracks while he was dispelling into light to travel to Luffy.
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Kizaru's DF is still much more powerful of course. Much more destruction due to higher quantity and size of lasers, light speed body movement and charging physical attacks with light speed, plus forming swords from light.
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There is a limit to how low you can get to win an argument. If I wanna argue for the sake of arguing, I would've easily dismissed your BS just by saying Whitebeard can talk faster than light and beat you at your own game. Kizaru's attacks are light speed confirmed by Kizaru himself. X Light from Pacifista doesn't travel at the same speed as Kizaru's. Zoro reacted to Kuma's lasers while Luffy, who was much faster, couldn't react to Kizaru. Kizaru's lasers are also far more devastating than those from Pacifista. X Kizaru's lasers are used as a baseline for Pacifista lasers. It doesn't mean they work the same as Kizaru's in every way. You must've been blinded by a special kind of bias glasses to not notice Pacifista lasers are far cry from Kizaru's. Oda also confirmed one needs a very high level of COO just to follow his movements. Marco did more than just following his movements.
Once again, it's better to agree to disagree while we're still being respectful.
Once again, it's better to agree to disagree while we're still being respectful.
You're confused.
Do I think Oda would draw Katakuri in the same light as Marco taking these 2 on? Who knows, the fact that he did that for Marco shows how highly he thinks of him, so it's a nod on his favour as far portrayal goes.
But so what? This is the arena section. This is not a future predictions thread. This fight is make belief it's probably never going to happen. What we do here is take all the info we have and make an argument for a character. Otherwise it'd be a your headcanon vs my headcanon in every debate, no one's getting anywhere arguing like that.
So again based on Katakuri's arsenal and feats he can replicate (more or less) what Marco did last chapter. I don't care what you or me think will happen (no one knows exactly what Oda would do, we're not Oda), I'm asking you to present a proper counter argument.
Do I think Oda would draw Katakuri in the same light as Marco taking these 2 on? Who knows, the fact that he did that for Marco shows how highly he thinks of him, so it's a nod on his favour as far portrayal goes.
But so what? This is the arena section. This is not a future predictions thread. This fight is make belief it's probably never going to happen. What we do here is take all the info we have and make an argument for a character. Otherwise it'd be a your headcanon vs my headcanon in every debate, no one's getting anywhere arguing like that.
So again based on Katakuri's arsenal and feats he can replicate (more or less) what Marco did last chapter. I don't care what you or me think will happen (no one knows exactly what Oda would do, we're not Oda), I'm asking you to present a proper counter argument.
You mix up two things by comparing laser speed to the speed of Kizaru's body. Luffy in G2 couldn't react to Kizaru blitzing him. But that doesn't translate to the speed of the lasers. Yes, as I said, Kizaru's lasers have more destruction, since he can spam them in larger sizes and higher quantities. But the speed at which light travels is always the same.
But yeah, it's probably better to agree to disagree. :b
But yeah, it's probably better to agree to disagree. :b
1. Yea which is why i am not giving Katakuri Marco feat. The only way you can do that is if i seen Katakuri Low diffing Snakeman when they were on the same level. Which would lead me to believe he could take on somebody at the sametime. Oda won't draw it because Marco potrayal has been consistent throughout the story.
2. Yes the info i got was Katakuri losing to Luffy when he was on his level. I think thry hit each other the same amount of time too. So i have no reason to believe he can do that
3. I did provide a counter argument. You just don't like it.
2. Yes the info i got was Katakuri losing to Luffy when he was on his level. I think thry hit each other the same amount of time too. So i have no reason to believe he can do that
3. I did provide a counter argument. You just don't like it.
Again. No argument. You're completely oversimplifying a situation and just talking about "levels", you're not talking feats.
Marco's not taking on an all out King and Queen from what we know, to begin with. While he's putting in his all. So even that point doesn't hold.
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Marco's not taking on an all out King and Queen from what we know, to begin with. While he's putting in his all. So even that point doesn't hold.
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Alot of people have feats Ussop has feats. Its who you do it too and how it presented in context. Noting Katakuri shown me make me believe he can take on two commander's. Marco faced Admirals, Marco was a candidate. Katakuri beat up on WCI luffy.
Katakuri would get overwhelmed, he didn't even notice his sister shooting at Luffy. King showed his speed while fighting Sanji and Queens AoE attacks and plague bombs. We still have to see King Aoe attacks when he gets his 1 v 1.
Katakuri would get overwhelmed, he didn't even notice his sister shooting at Luffy. King showed his speed while fighting Sanji and Queens AoE attacks and plague bombs. We still have to see King Aoe attacks when he gets his 1 v 1.
Again. Snakeman with FS is >> King and Queen in speed. That's "who he did it too"
It's really not that difficult to understand. I might as well have copied and pasted that one sentence in every response. This is getting real pointless. I never said anything to dispute further showings. King and Queen still have more to show. We're talking about what happened last chapter.
It's really not that difficult to understand. I might as well have copied and pasted that one sentence in every response. This is getting real pointless. I never said anything to dispute further showings. King and Queen still have more to show. We're talking about what happened last chapter.
