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  • Starting to read Solo Leveling, hoping it's not bad. I was excited about the anime, so I decided to read the manga. People talk a lot about this manga.
    J
    Just a member
    It is the most famous manhwa of the last years, that for sure. Said this I don't like it, it is the usual isekai perfect MC and in the end each, bar maybe the first ones, arc has the same exact formula: incredibly strong enemy appears, easily beats secondary characters, when everybody is about to die the MC arrives and low diff the enemy, everybody wanks the MC. But I agree that the art is exceptional.
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Certainly, I understand that it follows the same formula as the others, but I will try to read it completely. I have bought some books lately, and in my free time, I want to learn how to draw.
    https://ibb.co/PCc1Z8G
    https://ibb.co/F8t4jLH
    I really liked the art of this manga, I'm going to try to reach this level. LOL
    According to Rayleigh, this ability of future vision is very difficult to obtain through training; it must be learned by advancing your Haki in the heat of battle against strong opponents.

    I wonder who Kaidou and Shanks fought against so that in the heat of battle they could advance the CoO.
    Boiroy
    Boiroy
    Lies
    Virgin kata boy learned it by eating sweets
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Is Rayleigh a liar? LOL

    Katakuri said that he trained a lot I believe, and his affinity should be CoO, people without affinity hardly achieve it through training but through hard battles against very strong opponents.
    comrade
    comrade
    Yes, for all we know, both Kaido and Shanks conquered parts of the New World and rule there with an iron hand. The New World, as we know, is where the most powerful and fierce characters fight for the top. As Garp phrased it, they are all massively powerful pirates on par with the great Whitebeard.
    Kaido's Base vs. Big Mom would sink the island in pure CQC, with Kaido's subordinates wanting to evacuate from the island and saying that it wouldn't hold up, while the entire island trembled from the clash of Kaido and Big Mom. This is even reiterated by a Yonko Commander like Queen. This insane scenario is considering they were in physical conflict within the base. I don't think there's another instance in
    Will we have a character with the portrayal of Kaidou? At 10 - the strongest soldier in a country that relied on war to survive. At 31 - 10 years after the God Valley incident, in which Kaidou was 21, he became the embodiment of strength in the world. At 39 - he was hailed by his subordinates as the invincible Kaidou. From 39 onwards, Kaidou transcended the strength of all living beings in the world and came to be
    comrade
    comrade
    Yes, indeed. And given Kaido himself foreshadowed going down against Joyboy, maybe it is something Kaido deep down desired. Hence not dodging the Bajrang Gun but deciding to take it head on.
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Even Kaido understood that one cannot change the world alone, no matter how strong he was. He was focused on building the world's strongest army of Zoans, acquiring ancient weapons—the "greatest power." He even mentioned that if the SNS ( Supernovas) joined him, they could have conquered the world. Big Mom told Perospero that the idea of an alliance came from her, and Kaido accepted Big Mom's proposal because
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Sasaki Kojirō
    it benefited his ultimate goal. In the end, the power of "making allies wherever he goes" is what sets the good Joyboy apart from Dark Joyboy. Kaido didn't even have his own daughter by his side, and that is sad. Being individually stronger than Joyboy is something Kaido possesses; however, overall, Joyboy has more resources and means to change the world.
    I can't see Kuma beating any YC1... Part of Kuma's previous hype was derived from fights against the SHs, who at the time were very weak and unfamiliar with even the most basic application of Haki. Although he is from a special and very strong race, it doesn't compare to King, who is literally called a god and nearly invincible.
    comrade
    comrade
    Yes, Kuma would need to further back himself up with good Haki, although his body and DF are strong. The Paw Paw fruit is pretty powerful, which in turn is even more hype for the Azure Dragon, who is so strong that Oda chose to ignore the Paw Paw fruit. One could argue that Kuma was the Revos YC1 substitute, though I agree that so far, the YC1 have displayed better feats
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Actually, I was mistaken, and you are correct; Kuma's Devil Fruit is extremely powerful, but compared to Kaido's, it becomes weak.
    comrade
    comrade
    Yes, indeed. Combat wise, very powerful and useful. The power to teleport yourself, which equates instantaneous speed, the power to repel anything, including incoming attacks and even pain, damage and fatigue and the ability to create small nukes. But of course, it still isn't comparable to gaining access to the powers of the Azure Dragon.
    It was a fun afternoon I confess... Do you also think that Imu will be stronger than 5 shanks? Imu is also apparently planetary level when the greatest demonstration of a weapon said to be this world's greatest power cannot destroy the world only cause natural disasters and tsunamis.
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Sasaki Kojirō
    So far, Imu and the Gorosei don't even have a better portrayal than the Admirals, and this is coming from me, who is not even a fan of the Admirals, let alone being better than the Yonkou. And these guys jumped to 'Imu will face 5 top tier opponents, Imu is planetary.' LMAO. Where does all this need to increase power levels recklessly and senselessly come from, honestly?
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Sasaki Kojirō
    I just hope they don't abandon the manga when reality hits them hard in the face.
    comrade
    comrade
    Yes. The Goroseis and Imu's track record:
    - Unable to best Sabo and an old, sick man
    - Unable to take down Doflamingo
    - Admitting to be unable to stop an angry Shanks
    - Afraid of angering Kaido
    - Turning pale from witnessing Shanks and Whitebeard meet

    As I think about it, Saturn didn't even manage to eliminate 4 year old Kuma.
    "I hear roger's on the move.
    He's the last man i'll let--"
    It's an intentional interruption in Kaido's speech, and it's not followed by a conclusion. Oda wanted to create suspense between Kaido and Roger, leaving the details incomplete. What's your guess about this?
    comrade
    comrade
    It's like Luffy and Kidd competing with each other in the Udon prison. Kaido respects Roger's strength hence doesn't want him go get the upper hand in whatever the reason is they came to God Valley, because Kaido validates his own strength by his ability to stop Roger.
    Reborn
    Reborn
    There is nothing ambiguous about it.

    Everyone was coming for the prize

    Kaido simply said "He's the last man I'll let......take the prize....

    There is no competition involved. He is just having PTSD ✌️
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Not letting Roger take the prize = PTSD.
    Damn digital inclusion.
    I think Dragon has the wind Logia based on the elements that Kaido possesses.
    Kaido has fire = Mera Mera fire Logia.
    Kaido has lightning = Enel's lightning Logia.
    Kaido has wind = Dragon's wind Logia?
    Kaido possesses "magma" = Magma Logia.
    Kaido has levitation ability = Fujitora's Paramecia.
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    Zoan Mythical is the most powerful Devil Fruit class in the history of manga, Logia and Paramecia are inferior, and Kaido is the king of all beasts and the strongest living creature in the world. Luffy is the Sun God Nika, and Imu and the Gorosei are all Zoan. I thought the Logia were invincible, the famous so-called intagibility.
    comrade
    comrade
    Yes. Surely, it depends on what mythical Zoan you compare to what Logia. A top class Logia would very well be > a lower class Mythical Zoan. But when we compare top class to top class, yes, the Mythical Zoans reign supreme. The Azure Dragon in particular, in mythology, is a godly creature, which is evident by the feats Kaido can pull off.
    comrade
    comrade
    From carrying islands to melting them down with his breath, having access to other elemental abilities, the ability to cause cyclones, having supremeness in the sky and an insanely powerful and durable body. A fruit best suited to be the best in a 1 on 1.
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Indeed, by adding to him immense resistance and recovery, Kaido possesses an insane vitality that borders on immortality, with all the attributes of a physical monster like Kaido being further enhanced by the Devil Fruit, Oda has truly pushed the boundaries.
    Let's set aside the strength that the government provides to the Marines and just discuss the 4 Emperors versus the Marine Headquarters. Don't you think that the Marines rely on the lack of cooperation from the Emperors and the government to survive?
    All the Emperors are aberrations. Blackbeard is something with an abnormal body that grants him the ability to consume 2 Devil Fruits. Big Mom has been an aberration since childhood, referred to as the iron balloon, and an absolute monster. Whitebeard was someone whose powers had the potential to destroy the world and was referred to as a monster in Marineford. Kaido is self-explanatory, being called "that thing"
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Sasaki Kojirō
    by Big Mom, who is far from normal. So why would Shanks be any different? Shanks is a monster when it comes to Haki; he's exceptional, and we saw proof of that against Green Bull.
    comrade
    comrade
    Yes, indeed. A one armed man without a special body or Devil Fruit, yet a peer to these very monsters. His power being introduced as having crazy ambition, which is a synonym for kingly ambitions, shaking an Admiral to his core from miles away.
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    bluefire12
    Yep Buggy is straight up Chopped up with guns and bombs and armies of badass anime characters
    For many years, I argued that MF WB could be the strongest Yonko, but I am now fully convinced that he is undoubtedly the weakest of them all. As you said, without CoC, without CoO, having a heart attack, and not being able to use full-body haki coating, there's a limit to how much Gura can carry a guy with such mediocre levels of Haki.
    comrade
    comrade
    Yes, indeed. In his prime, Whitebeard's attack power should be the greatest, given he can coat his supreme grade blade with top tier Haki and the tremor power on top of it. Though even then, Kaido isn't far off given how heavy he hits with his club, on top of having crazy defensive stats.
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Yes, I'm amazed at how Kaido is maximized in some statistics despite being an incredibly durable and resilient monster.
    HA001
    HA001
    Oldbeard is hard carried by the gura.
    Roaring Bagua < Destroyer of Death?
    Which of the two do you think is more powerful?

    Horai Hakke was used by Kaido to combine with OKKG infused with Haoshoku at the level of Dividing the Heavens, along with Ryou, an attack that, if it were to hit an island, could indeed completely destroy it.
    RayanOO
    RayanOO
    Logically Roaring drunk TB > any other attack except Flame Bagua

    Kaido was in drunk mode that reinforced his haki and it was his finishing move against Luffy and it « killed » him. Even the first time it was so fast and strong it almost made him out of G4 and KO him.

    destroyer of death was against G5 and later in the fact, and it often means stronger attacks.

    I still think Roaring > DoD but just a little
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Yes, the first Hourai Hakke nearly incapacitated Gear 4 and caused him to lose the transformation, the second one killed him, but the first DoD made G5 see stars and have white eyes from the first attack, and G5 seemingly experienced an increase in his ability to withstand blunt attacks. If he was already seeing birds flying over his head, imagine Gear 4 receiving the same attack.
    RayanOO
    RayanOO
    G5 is a colorful mode, cartoony

    I don’t think we need to take that seriously the birds above Luffy head

    Kaido had other moves that hurt Luffy in G5, moves that he already pulled earlier (Kundali, ragnarok etc).

    And I do believe those moves were weaker than full power drunk mode TB
    Yes, I've been pondering what you mentioned, and it's indeed accurate that King holds the key to Kaido's victory in the Marineford war. Based on the data gleaned from the latest chapters, a Lunarian can sustain their flames for a duration of 12 hours. Given that King is a mature Lunarian, this capability could potentially extend beyond mere hours and span into multiple days.
    https://ibb.co/Xxf8jjY
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Immensely broken , among all races, it's obvious that those with affinities for leadership are born, thus possessing Coc and even being able to use Acoc. The question is that Lunars rely on their endurance, no matter how invincible they are, if they encounter an adversary capable of fighting against them for a long time, even if it doesn't inflict damage, it will lead a Lunar to exhaustion and thus they can be
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Sasaki Kojirō
    can be captured and immobilized. King is different from a regular Lunar because he can increase his endurance through an ancestral zoan, which makes him last much longer in combat.
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Sasaki Kojirō
    The combination of Lunar + Ancient Zoan or even Mythical Zoan is one of the most broken combinations in the series, because with a Zoan, Lunars "solve" one of the ways to defeat them, which is their adversary being able to exhaust them.
    I think we should change the scale rankings of fan-created characters. It's become evident that characters with Adcoc scale much higher than characters without Adcoc.

    I believe the absolute peak includes characters like Kaido, Ryuma, Joyboy/Luffy, Shanks, Roger, Xebec, Oden, Rayleigh, Mihawk, Zoro, Big Mom, Garp, Sengoku, Shiki, Dragon,Blackbeard, Whitebeard – all conquerors.
    comrade
    comrade
    Yes, those with CoC so strong it splits the heavens reign supreme. When Luffy subconsciously used a primitive form of CoC, Aokiji turned pale, while Dobermann pointed out that Luffy might become a terrific enemy if not stopped in his tracks. Using CoC from dozens of miles away forced an Admiral out of his Devil Fruit and made him retreat.
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Yes, for reasons like these, it's unavoidable to not scale characters with advanced Supreme Haki above others who don't have it, whether you want to or not. Luffy's potential is much greater than Law's according to Doflamingo, the potential of Katakuri or Doflamingo with Magu Magu or Hie Hie would be much greater than that of Aokiji and Akainu, because both are conquerors. Lol.
    Sasaki Kojirō
    Sasaki Kojirō
    With Kaido stating that Haki transcends everything, I can no longer say that someone with advanced CoC is losing to a character without CoC, no matter how difficult the situation the character with advanced CoC is facing.
    If you had told me during the Marineford arc that some top tier could perform an attack at a continental level while simultaneously keeping an island floating with over 35 thousand people, I would have doubted you. However, Kaido did it.
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