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The meltdown of Z-Boys is crazy. 1180 was the desecration of the Pinzoro temple.

Only kurwa believes that, no one else pushed this idea seriously. Meanwhile an entire Fandom of Z-Boys thought Zoro defeats Loki and poses a threat to Imu. Is there literally any fanbase in any anime or Manga that gasses up a character as much as Z-Boys do with Zoro? Lol.

It's beyond me how the same fanbase that argued Lucci was finished, believes Zoro tanked Imu's blow.

If you are born with it, it's a gift from nature. Don't tell me Z-Boys think Zoro achieved it through skill and hardship. :willight:

Yes, some are born as such and others were made such. Not only was Zoro gifted CoC, he uses Meito to power himself up, which is yet another tool. I would also believe Sanji gets CoC anyway given Gaban has it.

So we agree CoC is gifted? Good.

You don't know whether the Seraphim will awaken CoC or not based on the people they are inspired by. So S-Hawk and S-Snake might get it. Dunno what you are trying to debate right now, semantics? CoC is given by birth. It not being genes wouldn't change the point.

"Genetics" is a generalized term, it doesn't necessarily refer to your physical DNA. And even then, we know that Devil Fruits, who are supposed to be devils or spirits that grand you powers, can be extracted from the lineage factor as per Vegapunk's own words, which he did to Kaido in order to...

They are blud. It's one in a million that is born with it.

You are born with it. Call it genes, call it spirit, it's not something you get with will power or training.

Every CoC user is a gene merchant. You either born with it or not. :risitexcla:

To quote Kizaru: "The surroundings must not become collateral" Saturn: "you are moving unusually sluggish Kizaru" SBS: "Kizaru supplied Luffy with food (while pretending to lay flat)" Just how nerfed was this man? Kizaru so busted that letting Luffy win on purpose is a challenge.

Just a DF related power, it's not that deep. We know Luffy's reality warping is also nothing more than his DF, yet in Imu it has to be a new power system.

I legit don't understand why people make a fetish out of "named attacks". It was a kick engulfed by both black flames and ACoC, causing a large explosion in the process. Imu didn't name his kick, neither did Sanji name his attack, what's the point here? And why does it matter if Imu's attack...

I doubt a fight named Shanks vs Loki even exists. It's just a plot device used by Oda so Loki meets Luffy and teams up with him. Oda probably didn't even flesh out how that capture of Loki looked like. Loki is above the Yonko, let's face it.

Yes, I agree. Imu is just that strong. And Loki in the next chapter will show us that Imu will have to try harder to defeat Nidhogg with Ragnir. Zoro is strong, but we need to realize that Imu, Nidhogg and the Sun God are way above his paygrade. It's destiny piece. Zoro never stood a chance.

Gaban, who felt the overflow of Zoro's CoC, said he has never felt something like Imu before, "not even in God Valley" (meaning Zoro hasn't even lived up to the GV guys yet). @nik87 why doesn't Gaban recognize pinnacle of existence' Haki as the greatest?

Who tf cares if it was a single bullet or 3 closely aligned ones? Zoro got stomped, get over it.

It's crazy that in the very best case scenario, if we default every mental gymnastics by Zoro bros to true, it only amounts to him having performed at best as good as Sanji using King of Hell 3 Dragon sword style. Zoro bros are fighting for life just to tie with Sanji on this one. @Sentinel...