General & Others Why Ace vs Jimbei should NOT be used as a Feat for Jimbei

#1
I've seen many people try to use jimbei clashing with Ace as a feat for Jimbei in arguments about Jimbei's strength, when its quite the opposite.

Ace is a Rookie, 17 years old at this point with barely any knowledge about haki. Jimbei at that point would have been about 41 years old established Warlord of the seas. That Fisher Tiger Flashback was about 12 years prior to the events of marine ford, Jimbei became a warlord sometime around then, he had atleast 10 plus years of experience over Ace...

This is probably one of the poorest portrayals of a warlord we've seen in the story..........

Look at How Crocodile and Doffy were portrayed ........

17 Year old Luffy Lost multiple times before defeating Crocodile...Crocodile also defeated a bunch of characters prior to this point.


It Took Post Timeskip Luffy and Law to defeat Doflamingo, Doflamingo also defeated several other characters prior to that point.


Yet When 17 Year old Rookie Ace fights Warlord Jimbei for the first time, he doesn't lose multiple times, he doesn't have any assistance , he stale mates jimbei for 5 days.......



Jimbei does not have some huge elemental disadvantage Jimbei is a martial artist and from what we've seen Jimbei doesn't even have to use haki to hurt most devil fruit users. Its not an Enel vs Luffy situation here, not even close.

Again Ace was 17 Years old here........ The Ace we See from Alabasta to Marineford is 20 year old Ace....... 3 years Difference, I dont need to explain how much characters can change over the years given the amount of growth we saw from luffy after just 2 years.....Ace was much stronger at 20 than he was at 17. This is why using Ace vs Jimbei as a feat for Jimbei is Flawed logic.....
 

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#7
Conquerors Haki means nothing if you dont know how to use it properly. Ace Only knew how to knock out fodder.... he couldn't coat himself in conquerors haki. Unless jimbei is fodder conquerors shouldn't work on him.
Most CoC users on average are really strong. People like Chinjao are the expection.
 

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#9
Ace wasn’t 17 when he fought Ace.

Ace was 18 when he was on Wano, so he’d been sailing at least a year. Before Ace fought Jinbei, he had
-drawn the attention of Sengoku
-been invited to join the Warlords
-sailed through the New World to Shanks’ territory
-fought evenly with Yamato
-drawn the attention of Whitebeard
-was the standout new rookie in a group including Kid, Law and Cavendish

Ace was the real deal, and him fighting Jinbei for five days is a great feat for both of them. Certainly vastly superior to anything Crocodile managed against fresh out of East Blue, no Gears, no Haki, Luffy.
 
#13
I've seen many people try to use jimbei clashing with Ace as a feat for Jimbei in arguments about Jimbei's strength, when its quite the opposite.

Ace is a Rookie, 17 years old at this point with barely any knowledge about haki. Jimbei at that point would have been about 41 years old established Warlord of the seas. That Fisher Tiger Flashback was about 12 years prior to the events of marine ford, Jimbei became a warlord sometime around then, he had atleast 10 plus years of experience over Ace...

This is probably one of the poorest portrayals of a warlord we've seen in the story..........

Look at How Crocodile and Doffy were portrayed ........

17 Year old Luffy Lost multiple times before defeating Crocodile...Crocodile also defeated a bunch of characters prior to this point.


It Took Post Timeskip Luffy and Law to defeat Doflamingo, Doflamingo also defeated several other characters prior to that point.


Yet When 17 Year old Rookie Ace fights Warlord Jimbei for the first time, he doesn't lose multiple times, he doesn't have any assistance , he stale mates jimbei for 5 days.......



Jimbei does not have some huge elemental disadvantage Jimbei is a martial artist and from what we've seen Jimbei doesn't even have to use haki to hurt most devil fruit users. Its not an Enel vs Luffy situation here, not even close.

Again Ace was 17 Years old here........ The Ace we See from Alabasta to Marineford is 20 year old Ace....... 3 years Difference, I dont need to explain how much characters can change over the years given the amount of growth we saw from luffy after just 2 years.....Ace was much stronger at 20 than he was at 17. This is why using Ace vs Jimbei as a feat for Jimbei is Flawed logic.....
You know that Jinbe is a Fishman right? And you know that Land Jinbe is much much inferior to All Out Sea Jinbe?
Basically, Land Jinbe was able to Fight a Supernova who is among Strongest Ones due to being Roger's Son, having Coc & a Powerful Logia for 5 Days Non-Stop. So imagine how Crazy Powerful is Unrestricted Jinbe.

The guy's Kicks only are So Powerful to be compared to Sanji's Top Kicks. However he is more Specialized in Punches which are Stronger & he is Fishmen Karate Master which allow him to not only Punch from Distance but also Ignore DF Abilities/Bodies.
He also uses Water & is a Fishmen Jujutsu Master & this is again, only Land Jinbe who himself admitted is Much Inferior than his Threat in a Water Source. Not to mention that he also have CoA & CoO & the First seems to be really good as he was seen defending against BM very well & easily blocking WsW

Jinbe is Extremely Underrated Character.
Very High Physical Strength + High Endurance & Stamina + Fishman Karate Master + Fishman Jujutsu Master + Strong CoA + CoO + Fishmen Traits + High Mentality (Experience, Calm, Strategy)

Jinbe is as Dangerous & Powerful as Most Shichibukai.
He didn't need to Portray him as other Villains (Crocodile + Doffy), simply because he is an Ally & no need to Hype his Threat, but he does Hype his Competence
 
#14
Ace was already a Warlord-level when he fought Warlord Jinbei, and already knew how to CoC blast people. He even burned throygh Jinbe's Haki, as we can see from Boichi's novel. This would naturally ahve come after he clashed with Yamato, Yamato wo is strong enough to OneShot a Number, a feat that Luffy repllicated with G4 and Franky with his Radical Beam that even caused Big Mom some concern.
 
#15
I think it's a feat for both Ace and Jimbei, just not a crazy impressive one. Ace is impressive for going against a Warlord as a rookie and for keeping up for 5 days straight then getting up in time to try his luck against Whitebeard. Jimbei was going up against a pretty decent logia even if the user didn't have a whole lot of experience. Similar to Ace, lasting 5 days is impressive for Jimbei.

The fight shouldn't be used to argue about where Marineford or current Jimbei stands, relative to Ace, as his feats at Marineford and at Whole Cake Island are much more impressive than his ones against a younger Ace. There's little to prove rookie Ace could compare to the one that faced Teach since the fights were off-screen and we were only shown Ace's strongest attack in the Teach fight and pretty much all of Ace's best feats are are pre-timeskip but I wouldn't say it was a bad performance for Jimbei.

I think the fight helps Ace more than it helps Jimbei but regardless neither came out of it looking bad.
 
#17
You know that Jinbe is a Fishman right? And you know that Land Jinbe is much much inferior to All Out Sea Jinbe?
Basically, Land Jinbe was able to Fight a Supernova who is among Strongest Ones due to being Roger's Son, having Coc & a Powerful Logia for 5 Days Non-Stop. So imagine how Crazy Powerful is Unrestricted Jinbe.

The guy's Kicks only are So Powerful to be compared to Sanji's Top Kicks. However he is more Specialized in Punches which are Stronger & he is Fishmen Karate Master which allow him to not only Punch from Distance but also Ignore DF Abilities/Bodies.
He also uses Water & is a Fishmen Jujutsu Master & this is again, only Land Jinbe who himself admitted is Much Inferior than his Threat in a Water Source. Not to mention that he also have CoA & CoO & the First seems to be really good as he was seen defending against BM very well & easily blocking WsW

Jinbe is Extremely Underrated Character.
Very High Physical Strength + High Endurance & Stamina + Fishman Karate Master + Fishman Jujutsu Master + Strong CoA + CoO + Fishmen Traits + High Mentality (Experience, Calm, Strategy)

Jinbe is as Dangerous & Powerful as Most Shichibukai.
He didn't need to Portray him as other Villains (Crocodile + Doffy), simply because he is an Ally & no need to Hype his Threat, but he does Hype his Competence
Most Martial artist are great at Kicks and Punches bro...... and again no matter much you wank ace is doesn't dispute the fact that Ace was much weaker at 17 than he was at 20. This fight against Ace does nothing for Jimbei strength wise. Just Like Moria clashing with Kaido back in the day means absolutely nothing strength wise for Moria. since Kaido was nowhere near the strength he is currently.
 
#18
Most Martial artist are great at Kicks and Punches bro...... and again no matter much you wank ace is doesn't dispute the fact that Ace was much weaker at 17 than he was at 20. This fight against Ace does nothing for Jimbei strength wise. Just Like Moria clashing with Kaido back in the day means absolutely nothing strength wise for Moria. since Kaido was nowhere near the strength he is currently.
Ace who Fought Jinbe Refused Shichibukai Title so he wasn't that Much Weaker than 20 Year Old Ace, stop adding "Much" out of Nowhere.

Secondly i already told you that was Land Jinbe Only. That Means Land Jinbe is Strong Supernova Level which means Unrestricted Jinbe is much Stronger putting him among Strongest Top Commanders Level.

Think of it like this: Supernova Ace ~ Land Jinbe < Commander Ace < Unrestricted Jinbe
Which means:
Land Jinbe ~ Flying Six / Strong Supernova Level (Which is why he is Fighting WsW)
Unrestricted Jinbe ~ Strongest Commanders Level
 
#19
Ace who Fought Jinbe Refused Shichibukai Title so he wasn't that Much Weaker than 20 Year Old Ace, stop adding "Much" out of Nowhere.

Secondly i already told you that was Land Jinbe Only. That Means Land Jinbe is Strong Supernova Level which means Unrestricted Jinbe is much Stronger putting him among Strongest Top Commanders Level.

Think of it like this: Supernova Ace ~ Land Jinbe < Commander Ace < Unrestricted Jinbe
Which means:
Land Jinbe ~ Flying Six / Strong Supernova Level (Which is why he is Fighting WsW)
Unrestricted Jinbe ~ Strongest Commanders Level
I can definitely add much...... We've seen how characters can develop in just 2 years..... Ace was having his haki bloom for 3 whole years after 17. And idk if Jimbei is Commander level with Water tbh. In fact I doth even know why jimbei being in the water matters, nobody is going to fight jimbei in the water anyways.

 
#20
I can definitely add much...... We've seen how characters can develop in just 2 years..... Ace was having his haki bloom for 3 whole years after 17. And idk if Jimbei is Commander level with Water tbh. In fact I doth even know why jimbei being in the water matters, nobody is going to fight jimbei in the water anyways.

Okay then, it doesn't matter
Jinbe's Full Power doesn't matter

It's like saying Kid Without Iron = Kid with Tons of Iron
Or Pica on a Boat = Pica on Land
Or Hawkins with 0 Lives = Hawkins with Dozen Lives
Or Moriah without Zombies = Moriah with Zombies
... etc

Nice Logic
 
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