Questions & Mysteries POLL Did Law teleport Zoro while Zoro was engulfed in Hakai

[Bil02]

No they don't. I've watched multiple live reactions of that chapter and they all have to be TOLD by the comments law moved him.
Once again its not true. At the start I had no qualms saying law moved him but nothing shows it there's no hints no dialogue no nothing. Law himself said zoro took the attack not blocked. Took.

Ok but Big Mom also said "They managed to escape huh,impressive".

Both her and Kaidou saw Zoro attempting to block,wouldn't have they emphasized on Zoro taking the attack since he was the only one attempting to take it instead?

Zoro also asked the others to get out of the way,if not they will all die(himself included),how come an attack that was supposed to kill all of them off if not momentarily stopped,from Zoro's own admission ended not even Ko'ing Zoro?

Did Zoro judge the power of the attack badly? I doubt it.

We saw Law teleporting himself on the roof without stretching his fingers for shambles(on the contrary he always seem to stretch his fingers to teleport others) but with the "pop" mark still present.
Here the panel is Zoomed out so the pop mark could have been above him for all we know.

I also took Law being the only one to ask Zoro if he's still alive as confirmation he indeed teleported Zoro and himself away when reading the chapter,but yeah it is kind of a weak argument on my part.

At the end of the day,if Zoro really took the full brunt of Hakai, then Oda really did a bad job at visually highlighting the moment and the magnitude of the feat.

 

[Rukusho]

I did think Law moved Zoro but with @Garp the Fist compelling logic how can I still think that ?

Zoro most definitely took Hakai the evidence is overwhelming (quite the endurance feat and blocking feat)

Once more proves Oda is the biggest Zoro wanker, you want to take him out of a fight bring 2 Yonko.

 

[duckman]

Ok but Big Mom also said "They managed to escape huh,impressive".

Both her and Kaidou saw Zoro attempting to block,wouldn't have they emphasized on Zoro taking the attack since he was the only one attempting to take it instead?

Zoro also asked the others to get out of the way,if not they will all die(himself included),how come an attack that was supposed to kill all of them off if not momentarily stopped,from Zoro's own admission ended not even Ko'ing Zoro?

Did Zoro judge the power of the attack badly? I doubt it.

We saw Law teleporting himself on the roof without stretching his fingers for shambles(on the contrary he always seem to stretch his fingers to teleport others) but with the "pop" mark still present.
Here the panel is Zoomed out so the pop mark could have been above him for all we know.

I also took Law being the only one to ask Zoro if he's still alive as confirmation he indeed teleported Zoro and himself away when reading the chapter,but yeah it is kind of a weak argument on my part.

At the end of the day,if Zoro really took the full brunt of Hakai, then Oda really did a bad job at visually highlighting the moment and the magnitude of the feat.

It's not confusing at all. For people asking why Oda didn't draw the pop, it's becaue the pop is shown when the shambling is shown There's no shambling shown, it's an artistic choice. But no point debating anything on here, they didn't come to have their minds changed. It's for validation and to insult anyone who differs

 

[Herrera95]

Hakai landed at mid-air. Zoro never tried to move the attack away only slow down enough for them to escape. It is very clear that Law used his power to save Zoro just like he did at 1011. But fair enough, is not 100% confirmed.

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

This panel itself enough evidence Zoro didn’t completely tank the attack.

No logical reason whatsoever, Meme would comment on it being impressive the novas got away. In the very moment one just tanked there attack.... Especially when u add the fact Meme sees, Zoro momentarily holding the attack to help others escape.

Again virtually any argument involving Zoro tanking the attack. Requires you to completely throw logic out of the window, in multiple situations. Whereas the only real argument against Law involves “pop” semantics. Which Oda been shown to be Inconsistent with him previous arcs.​

 

[Bil02]

It's not confusing at all. For people asking why Oda didn't draw the pop, it's becaue the pop is shown when the shambling is shown There's no shambling shown, it's an artistic choice. But no point debating anything on here, they didn't come to have their minds changed. It's for validation and to insult anyone who differs

Where will the pop appear when the panel is Zoomed on law?

Each time I noticed the pop mark appears,the perspective and angle of view is from a distance from law.

There is also something I've noticed on the rooftop; Everytime Law shambles himself alone,he doesn't raise his fingers for it(chapter 1001 to date),conversely he raises his hand for shambles each time he does so to teleport another person.

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

People reread DR “pop” very inconsistent. Oda shown multiple times he’ll neglect its use if

the focus is meant to be on something else. Oda wanted to highlight the power of Kaido/Meme attack. He explicitly showcases Law prep shambles.

After meme/Kaido comment on the novas escape, neither even mention the attack was tanked.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

This panel itself enough evidence Zoro didn’t completely tank the attack.

No logical reason whatsoever, Meme would comment on it being impressive the novas got away. In the very moment one just tanked there attack.... Especially when u add the fact Meme sees, Zoro momentarily holding the attack to help others escape.

Again virtually any argument involving Zoro tanking the attack. Requires you to completely throw logic out of the window, in multiple situations. Whereas the only real argument against Law involves “pop” semantics. Which Oda been shown to be Inconsistent with him previous arcs.​

Law your favorite character, the one your claiming moved him. Said Zoro took it

 

[Garp the Fist]

-if Zoro took the attack it would be commented on
It was, Law says he did the next chapter
-absolutely no one mentions Law having any role in saving Zoro, there are no panels showing it
Apparently irrelevant

A hypocritical shambles of an argument

 

[Bil02]

-if Zoro took the attack it would be commented on
It was, Law says he did the next chapter
-absolutely no one mentions Law having any role in saving Zoro, there are no panels showing it
Apparently irrelevant

A hypocritical shambles of an argument

Good point but you would have to explain why Big mom says; "They managed to escape huh,impressive"

Big Mom and Kaidou saw Zoro attempting to block Hakai,why is Big Mom not mentioning Zoro took it alone? Why does she say they all managed to escape ? She doesn't exclude Zoro.

 

[Fn Lucci]

That argument isn't a strong one, because we didn't get to see anything actually take place, where the pop would have taken place is when Oda zoomed out the panel, then we only get to see the aftereffect.

Regarding Oda not highlighting "Law's biggest support moment".

You tell me what makes more sense, Oda leaving a support moment for Law ambiguous or Oda leaving the greatest endurance feat for Zoro ambiguous? Because that's exactly what he did in that scene, doesn't matter which side you're arguing for. It just makes less sense to me that he would botch the single greatest tanking feat the way that he did, he essentially offpanelled it.

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What's more unbelievable than Zoro pulling the feat off, is him pulling it off and Oda doing nothing to properly highlight it. For such a massive feat you would think he'd take every chance he can get to glamourize it in typical Oda fashion. Kaidou and Big Mom were shocked when he blocked it but no reaction to him redirecting or tanking the entire attack?

This though. For Kaido and Big Mom to try killing all five and Zoro taking the entire attack without any particular acknowledgement is weird. To suggest Law's physical gesture and Kid's verbal gesture hold zero meaning is just weird.

I think that trying to embellish what he's done does a disservice to the actual accomplishment.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Good point but you would have to explain why Big mom says; "They managed to escape huh,impressive"

Big Mom and Kaidou saw Zoro attempting to block Hakai,why is Big Mom
not mentioning Zoro took it alone? Why does she say they all managed to escape ? She doesn't exclude Zoro.

What exactly do you think Big Mom found impressive?

a) Zoro blocking the attack, allowing everyone to get away

or

b) merely getting away, she doesn’t actually care about Zoro blocking it

I took Big Mom saying “impressive” to be a very clear reference to Zoro. Because... he’s the only one who actually did anything impressive there. The others didn’t, they just jumped out of the way. They escpaed because of Zoro’s block, that’s impressive.

Are people really expecting Big Mom and Kaido to fall on their knees and praise Zoro to the heavens like us fans? They’re still Yonko. They don’t care all that much that some young upstart managed to block their attack for two seconds, nearly killed himself doing it, and allowed the others to escape.

 

[Herrera95]

They are all together except for Luffy. If they escaped and Zoro took it why they are all side by side? It was Law ability, more than obvious.

 

[Bil02]

What exactly do you think Big Mom found impressive?

a) Zoro blocking the attack, allowing everyone to get away

or

b) merely getting away, she doesn’t actually care about Zoro blocking it

I took Big Mom saying “impressive” to be a very clear reference to Zoro. Because... he’s the only one who actually did anything impressive there. The others didn’t, they just jumped out of the way. They escpaed because of Zoro’s block, that’s impressive.

Are people really expecting Big Mom and Kaido to fall on their knees and praise Zoro to the heavens like us fans? They’re still Yonko. They don’t care all that much that some young upstart managed to block their attack for two seconds, nearly killed himself doing it, and allowed the others to escape.

The thing is i will actually need to overanlayse the panels to reach your conclusion.

From the flow of Big Mom's line; "Impressive,they managed to get away",it sounds like she is talking about the five Sn.

Law asking Zoro if he is still alive,can be him caring for Zoro after he gave them an opening of Some seconds before being shambled away.

That is how i always took that line even though it is no solid evidence Law did indeed shamble him.

 

[Herrera95]

What exactly do you think Big Mom found impressive?

a) Zoro blocking the attack, allowing everyone to get away

or

b) merely getting away, she doesn’t actually care about Zoro blocking it

I took Big Mom saying “impressive” to be a very clear reference to Zoro. Because... he’s the only one who actually did anything impressive there. The others didn’t, they just jumped out of the way. They escpaed because of Zoro’s block, that’s impressive.

Are people really expecting Big Mom and Kaido to fall on their knees and praise Zoro to the heavens like us fans? They’re still Yonko. They don’t care all that much that some young upstart managed to block their attack for two seconds, nearly killed himself doing it, and allowed the others to escape.

Kaido did it with Luffy at 1001 and with Zoro at 1010. Are you dumb?
BM at least acknowledge Enma's power when Zoro was about to attack Kaido.

 

[Bil02]

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

What exactly do you think Big Mom found impressive?

a) Zoro blocking the attack, allowing everyone to get away

or

b) merely getting away, she doesn’t actually care about Zoro blocking it

I took Big Mom saying “impressive” to be a very clear reference to Zoro. Because... he’s the only one who actually did anything impressive there. The others didn’t, they just jumped out of the way. They escpaed because of Zoro’s block, that’s impressive.

Are people really expecting Big Mom and Kaido to fall on their knees and praise Zoro to the heavens like us fans? They’re still Yonko. They don’t care all that much that some young upstart managed to block their attack for two seconds, nearly killed himself doing it, and allowed the others to escape.

Reaching, meme comments on the novas dodging. No logical explanation was given here to explain why she comment on that. But say nothing of Zoro directly.

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So did Meme/Kaido just decide to wait until the novas regroup before speaking?? What about Law himself, if he got there first. Why’s he just checking on Zoro? This panel implies barely anytime actually passed.

Also how tf hell Kid/killer reach Zoro the moment Law does? Or dodge at all for that matter...

too many holes to fill.

 

[imacub]

Well one thing for sure,

Kidd, Luffy, and Killer escaped on their own

and the ambiguous part is whether Law teleported zoro along with himself

What if Law did teleport zoro, but only after zoro took the attack? That might explain why Big Mom did not specifically comment on zoro taking the attack and why on the other hand Law said zoro took it.

You might ask why did Law teleport zoro only after zoro took the attack. Well, imo it happened so fast that it's so hard to think clear, that explains why Law didnt shamble himself immediately right after hakai was launched

 

[Garp the Fist]

The thing is i will actually need to overanlayse the panels to reach your conclusion.

From the flow of Big Mom's line; "Impressive,they managed to get away",it sounds like she is talking about the five Sn.

Law asking Zoro if he is still alive can be him caring for Zoro afterm he gave them an opening of Some seconds before being shambled away, that is how i always took that line even though it is no solid evidence.

Do you need to overanalyse it?

The flow goes “we’ll see how many we can take out“, then gigantic double spread, of the attack, then the main event being Zoro blocking that massive attack, then Big Mom says “impressive, they managed to get away.”

The logical conclusion as to what impressed Big Mom was it was Zoro, making it possible for the others to get away. Absolutely no one reading that chapter thought “god, look how amazing and graceful Killer’s diving roll out of the way of the attack was.”

They got away solely because of Zoro. Zoro’s actions were what was impressive.

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What if Law did teleport zoro, but only after zoro took the attack? That might explain why Big Mom did not specifically comment on zoro taking the attack and why on the other hand Law said zoro took it.

You might ask why did Law teleport zoro only after zoro took the attack. Well, imo it happened so fast that it's so hard to think clear, that explains why Law didnt shamble himself immediately right after hakai was launched

That’s the thing that would make the most sense.

 

[ZenZu]

This though. For Kaido and Big Mom to try killing all five and Zoro taking the entire attack without any particular acknowledgement is weird. To suggest Law's physical gesture and Kid's verbal gesture hold zero meaning is just weird.

I think that trying to embellish what he's done does a disservice to the actual accomplishment.

There's also the fact that Luffy just witnessed Zoro take an attack that could kill him (an attack hyped up to take out all of them including Luffy himself), and didn't even care to check up on him, not a single reaction to the greatest endurance feat in One Piece?

This was his him right after. All smiles.

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And people will say it's because he trusts his strength or whatever weak excuse they want to come up with, but in the same fight Zoro took an attack several times weaker, and this was his reaction.

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There are too many odd outliers in that scene that don't flow naturally to give enough respect to the feat that was just pulled off, Oda loves to glamourize such moments, I don't think I've ever seen Oda write such a massive feat in such a manner if it turns out Zoro did that all by himself.

The fact this poll is so one sided speaks for itself on how badly this feat was botched if what the minority is saying is true.

Are people really expecting Big Mom and Kaido to fall on their knees and praise Zoro to the heavens like us fans? They’re still Yonko. They don’t care all that much that some young upstart managed to block their attack for two seconds, nearly killed himself doing it, and allowed the others to escape.

Except they literally did care that he managed to block their attack for 2 seconds

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The block itself was highlighted and fully given its due respect. But then he redirects such a massive attack and no respect given to such a massive feat?

Something any top tier could do in their sleep was being hyped up by Big Mom

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Yet him redirecting and then fully taking the combined full power attack of 2 Yonkou, something not even a top tier (aka Oden) should be guaranteed to do, is just glossed over by them? Literally just spread the credit of getting away to the rest of them for an individual feat of that magnitude? Hard to buy that.