Questions & Mysteries Onigashima and Enies Lobby pacing comparison.....Is Onigashima's pacing Bad?

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Although Onigashima has not been confirmed as an arc of its own, it pretty much is just like Water 7/Enies Lobby.
With that being said I want to talk about the pacing of these islands since their so similar.

We entered Onigashima Chapter 978 April 27, 2020.......


Its Now May 7, 2021 chapter officially drops on May 9, 2021, been a little over a year now,were 35 chapters in Onigashima and were currently at this point......
Nami's Fight Has just started, 0 fights have been concluded, 0 enemies officially defeated. (We dont know what's going on with Page One right now And NO im not giving Orochi the benefit of a doubt......) and Currently fights are still being setup. Yamato, The Scabbards, Chopper, Zoro and Sanji are still unaccounted for. Zoro and Sanji are usually the last fights before luffys so they have an excuse. But We still have about 7+characters who need setup.


Now then lets compare this to enies lobby.....

Enies Lobby Started July 25, 2005.


Ironically Nami's fight was actually officially starting around the point About 33 Chapters into this arc on April 17, 2006.....



Similarly Nami's fight with Khalifa has just gotten started, However 3 Fights Have Concluded in the 30 plus chapter period we've been in envies lobby, Luffy vs Blueno, Franky vs Fukuro and Chopper vs Kumadori in total 3 Enemies have officially been Defeated, And only 2 Fights need to be set up being The Main fight of the arc and Sanjis, and I guess Zoro's fight with Kaku technically didn't officially get started again until chapter 412 so really the Monster Trio were the last people who needed their fights setup at this point.


Knowing this information how do you feel about Onigashima's Pacing?
 
Finalbeta

Finalbeta

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Wano's arc probably run a bit too slow complexively, but its fabric is well known, an arc featuring a multimyriad of content...

But Onigashima is running too slow due not featuring the same amount of gargantuan content, that much I have got to agree.

The pace of the fighting scenes was decent but the elapse in between doesn't convince me much so far.
 
Isaac Netero

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The pacing is as good as it could be.
In Ennies Lobby Oda didn't need to have multiple characters have their fight with Lucci before establishing his matchup.
Here we had multiples characters go against Kaido and as I said in a post in some other thread, the need of having the Scabbards plus the Supernova fight against Kaido messed up Onigashima's pace a bit. Oda had to stall way too much characters for that to happen.
 
Fn Lucci

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I do think Oda put up too many plots to resolve before he actually began the process but...

Enies Lobby weekly was kind of annoying in some spots despite being obviously the most exciting arc up to that point. The parts up to "I wanna live" seemed to drag a bit, with Robin's flashback not being as tight as it could be. Then the fights ran a little long. Like with the key business and Luffy vs Lucci.

Every single arc reads better collected.
 
Cherry Hilk

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lee33 said:
Great analysis dude! Just to add to the overall pacing. Ennies/Water7 the saga was a total of 109 chapters. Whereas Wano Saga which includes Punk Hazard, Dressrosa and Zou are a total of 274 chapters. Wano alone surpasses Water7/Ennies Lobby COMBINED.

Oda pacing has gradually gotten worse and worse. The only reason I can think of on why the pacing has gotten worse is two things the editors and money. The manga has given Oda more power of the story therefore the editors don't have as much say anymore resulting in Oda doing whatever he wants. Money must also be a factor since we have gotten so much more fanservice in post time skip than pretime skip with every female boobs getting larger, men with more muscle, etc.
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If your logic is only about the amount of characters than lets use Marine Ford as an example which had A LOT more characters than Wano. Marine Ford lasted all of 32 chapters!
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Dressrosa is a separate saga itself. It is not part of the Wano saga.
 
lee33

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Fn Lucci said:
I do think Oda put up too many plots to resolve before he actually began the process but...

Enies Lobby weekly was kind of annoying in some spots despite being obviously the most exciting arc up to that point. The parts up to "I wanna live" seemed to drag a bit, with Robin's flashback not being as tight as it could be. Then the fights ran a little long. Like with the key business and Luffy vs Lucci.

Every single arc reads better collected.
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Ennies Lobby definitely dragged a lot but it was understandable since the content we were getting was related to the fundamental story of One Piece which was the void century, ancient weapon and the world government. But in Wano the fundamental story is stroking off to Oden and beating the big bad villain.
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Dressrosa is a separate saga itself. It is not part of the Wano saga.
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I consider Dressrosa a part of the Wano saga. But for the sake of argument lets say it isn't part of Wano saga then I am still right since the Whole Wano saga is still over 172+ chapters!

Sabody Archilapego, Amazon Lily, Impel Down, Marine Ford and Ace/Luffy flashback COMBINED took less chapters and time than Wano alone and yet Marine Ford saga had A LOT more concepts and characters.
 
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Fn Lucci

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lee33 said:
Ennies Lobby definitely dragged a lot but it was understandable since the content we were getting was related to the fundamental story of One Piece which was the void century and the world government. But in Wano the fundamental story is stroking off to Oden and beating the big bad villain.
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This story has all of that relevance and then some. I can't wait to see the grasping for straws when this thing is said and done.
 
lee33

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Fn Lucci said:
This story has all of that relevance and then some. I can't wait to see the grasping for straws when this thing is said and done.
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Huh? It is 100+ chapters and 3 years later, so please tell me what "relevance" has Wano given us? The name of the last island being Laugh Tale which lasted all of one whole chapter? After three years and 100+ chapters, I expect to get more relevance than just an fing name of an island.
 
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Yes taking long to reveal the Apoo plotline is he goin switch or not, taking long to reveal the 5 numbers people dont expect them to be commander levels fighter, king bounty, is page one ever goin find out who stealthback really is, hiyori titties never got seen yet A cup or bigger? And stalling ZKK, carrot join the crew
 
Isaac Netero

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lee33 said:
If your logic is only about the amount of characters than lets use Marine Ford as an example which had A LOT more characters than Wano. Marine Ford lasted all of 32 chapters!
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Uh this makes no sense, you could also argue about Ennies Lobby being bad paced when compared to Marine Ford and it's characters. Your comparison is just lackluster.
And again it isn't about how many characters there are but rather which objectives they need to accomplish in the Arc.
13 different people (minus Luffy) needed to have their round against Kaido because the plot was set for that to happen. In Ennies Lobby all Lucci had to do was fight Luffy.
These 13 characters also need to accomplish different things AFTER fighting Kaido hence why some characters have been running around or just doing nothing, Neko is going after Perospero, Inu fighting Jack, Kiku going for Kanjuro, Killer fighting Hawkins, Kidd and Law going for Big Mom, Kin going to momonosuke... All this characters were fighting Kaido at one point and time in the Arc and now are going for their final objectives.
Imagine all the SH had to fight Lucci prior to finally going for the final matchups of the Arc, how the pace would have went, how Oda would have most of the CP9 clashing randomly while plot would have them waiting for the SH finish their round against Lucci.
Marineford was a Rescue Arc where the objective was never to defeat the Marines or anything like that, the objective was simple save Ace. In Ennies Lobby they had to defeat EVERY CP9 member because of the keys, Luffy had to defeat Lucci to prevent him from killing everyone in the Island. In Onigashima there is a literall war happening for freedom where one side MUST defeat the other and not rescue anyone. Marineford can't be compared in any way to Onigashima or Ennies Lobby.
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lee33 said:
Huh? It is 100+ chapters and 3 years later, so please tell me what "relevance" has Wano given us? The name of the last island being Laugh Tale which lasted all of one whole chapter? After three years and 100+ chapters, I expect to get more relevance than just an fing name of an island.
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I guess defeating an entire Yonkou crew(and probably half of a second one), freeing a country from 20 years of tyranny, finishing a plot that started since Punk Hazard has no relevance at all.
A war that will change the entire world has no meaning :whitepress:
Let's not mention that this Arc will also establish Luffy as a great Pirate and also mark the end of the old pirate generation.
 
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