Speculations Kuzan: Whats he aiming for? Where does he stand?

What is Kuzan's objective? Where does he stand?

  • Kuzan is a revolutionary

  • Kuzan is a marine spy

  • Kuzan is aiming for Raftel

  • Something else


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#1
Its baffling to many readers that Kuzan, a former admiral, affiliated himself with none other than Blackbeard. We all know Kuzan is no villain, he is a compassionate and morally uptight individual. Doflamingo basically asked Kuzan on our behalf: "Just What are you now Kuzan? Where do you stand?" =>


Note that, Oda confirmed through Doflamingo that Kuzan is no aimless vagabond. He is a man on a mission. Doflamingo said =>

There are a few theories floating around and I wanted to discuss those.

(1) Kuzan joined the revolutionaries:
This was a popular theory back in the days before Kuzan's affiliation with Blackbeard was revealed. This speculation was fueled by Kuzan outright saying, he never thought WG was perfect and there are things he can see clearly now that he is not part of the marines.
This theory resurfaced after Blackbeard crew destroyed the Baltigo base when the revolutionaries already deserted it. The speculation was Kuzan informed them.


(2) Kuzan is a marine spy:
The next popular speculation is Kuzan is a double agent. He is collecting intel for the Blackbeard crew to destroy them from inside out. This speculation gained more popularity since the introduction of SWORD unit inside marines. Some people even speculate that Akainu-Kuzan duel was orchestrated by the Gorosei.


(3) Kuzan is aiming for Raftel:
I believe destroying Blackbeard or the WG is not Kuzan's objective. He is simply trying to reach Raftel by allying himself with Blackbeard. I will elaborate my thoughts here.

It is a crime to conduct any research on void century and deciphering poneglyphs. Due to the propaganda of the WG, the marines believe that anybody studying void century is basically trying to revive the ancient weapons and destroy the world. It is clear from what Nico Olivia's statement that the marines are a subject to this indoctrination =>

Kuzan was also a firm believer of this. He was a man who followed "burning justice" and believed in laws of the WG. He was willing to be ruthless for the greater good =>

However, things changed since the Ohara incident. Saul was a friend of Kuzan by his own admission, but Kuzan had to kill him at Ohara. He also despised the fact that a ship of civilians was massacred by Akainu. I believe Kuzan could never get over the horrors of Ohara and couldnt justify his conscience of killing innocent civilians. If you think about it, Kuzan's hatred towards Akainu's action at Ohara eventually culminated in the unprecedented duel of the admirals. Kuzan was initially indifferent to the fleet admiral appointment, but he fought a death battle just to stop Akainu from shaping the marines under his extreme vision. Kuzan saw with his own eyes how (I am quoting him) "...complete and unyielding justice... can turn a man to madness sometimes".

The death of Saul and the massacre at Ohara impacted Kuzan to the point he let Robin escape and closely followed her growth afterwards. I believe Kuzan was trying to keep a small Ohara alive in Robin. He told her, "...then keep yourself alive...And Ohara... hasn't fallen."

The point I am trying to make is Kuzan's change to lazy justice, his duel with Akainu and eventual resignation from the marines all lead back to Ohara. Thats why it wont be far fetched to believe Kuzan is highly interested in knowing the real reason behind the Ohara massacre, i.e., the void century and ancient weapons.

In chapter 967, it was explicitly mentioned that the Roger crew learned (a) the 100 year history of the void, (b) what the people of D, (c) what the ancient weapons are, and (4) the treasure left by Joyboy once they reached Raftel.
Thats where Blackbeard comes into Kuzan's objective. I think Kuzan affiliated himself with Blackbeard as this would give him the highest chance to reach Raftel and know the answers he is looking for. Kuzan has always been in close contact with Ds. Monkey D Garp is his idol and Jaguar D Saul was his friend. He probably knows a D would be a safer bet to reach Raftel than the likes of Kaido-Big Mom.

Let me hear your thoughts if you have some other ideas.

I will tag a few marine boys that I can remember now:
@King7 (I am guessing you are Ivan Zonder who used to have the Kuzan avatar at OJ)
@MarineHQ62
@Fleet Admiral Lee Hung
@GreenEggsAHam
@Admiral Mou Bu
@ZenZu

And some random tags:
@Celestial D. Dragon @Bogard @Garp the Fist @Jailer @uyuu @Fujishiro
 
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#2
Kuzan's probably working with Sengoku as a spy, but I think he has his own agenda and goals outside of helping Sengoku and the "good" marines. I suspect that Kuzan has a personal connection to Teach and that's why he chose to ally with him over BM or Kaido.

Anyway, good thread man.
 
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#5
IIRC , in a theory years ago Van also speculated that Kuzan was working with the World Government , and wanted to watch what he thought to be "the World's Most Dangerous Man" from the front seat .

he also said this "anonymous source" who informed Baltigo's location to World Govt was Kuzan :

then the World Government send a combined force of Marines and CP-0 . so if the source was Kuzan maybe he is indeed trying to destroy Blackbeard Pirates when he gets a chance ? i already thought that Kuzan being involved in the upcoming Blackbeard Pirates vs Red Haired Pirates battle is possible .

but your speculation also have reasons to back them up . i'm not sure which speculation i'm gonna believe .​
 
#7
Imo:

1. He's aiming for Raftel since he wanna know the lost history. In order to do that, he sticks to BB who is the greatest PK candidate.

2. Strawhat crew vs BB crew may have the fight/scuffle of Luffy vs Kuzan. Realizing the different kind of PK ideology/vision of Luffy vs BB, and after Robin deciphering the lost history, Kuzan may switch to become a Strawhat alliance.

3. Kuzan may fight against Akainu for the second time, this time as a fighter at Luffy's side.
 
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Herrera95

#13
Kuzan is still a marine for sure. I still think is very vague everything that happened with him and Akainu. Doesn't make much sense to me but OP is full of that.

Unlike Fujitora I would bet the 3 admirals from Marineford and maybe Greenbull are okay with pirates helping marines. Maybe Kuzan is doing something different but in the same way now, he is using pirates to help him to know how the world is actually working.

He said something about learning new stuff that he couldn't as admiral. So he is now seeing deeper levels of world situation so he can come with better solutions to help marines.
 
#14
Kuzan is still a marine for sure. I still think is very vague everything that happened with him and Akainu. Doesn't make much sense to me but OP is full of that.
Kuzan still being a marine doesnt make much sense to me. They fought an entire 10 day battle where Akainu and Kuzan is both got permanent scars and lost limbs. Make no mistake, it was a death match.

Kuzan cant be part of the marines for a simple reason, he hates Akainu's leadership. It was clearly said by Jinbei:
- "Aokiji is not one to show motivation of any sort"
- "But came out in furious opposition to Akainu being instated as a Fleet admiral"

Kuzan didnt care about being fleet admiral, but fought a death match to stop Akainu's appointment. Can this be anymore clear how much he hated Akainu's leadership?

It was further said by Jinbei,
"As for Aokiji, unable to bear working for Akainu, he left the navy"
Check chapter 650, the statements are pretty clear.

Gorosei-Akainu's conversation also supports it. Surely they would have known if Kuzan was still part of the marines.
 
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Herrera95

#15
Kuzan still being a marine doesnt make much sense to me. They fought an entire 10 day battle where Akainu and Kuzan is both got permanent scars and lost limbs. Make no mistake, it was a death match.

Kuzan cant be part of the marines for a simple reason, he hates Akainu's leadership. It was clearly said by Jinbei:
- "Aokiji is not one to show motivation of any sort"
- "But came out in furious opposition to Akainu being instated as a Fleet admiral"

Kuzan didnt care about being fleet admiral, but fought a death match to stop Akainu's appointment. Can this be anymore clear how much he hated Akainu's leadership?

It was further said by Jinbei,
"As for Aokiji, unable to bear working for Akainu, he left the navy"
Check chapter 650, the statements are pretty clear.

Gorosei-Akainu's conversation also supports it. Surely they would have known if Kuzan was still part of the marines.
You just reforced my argument. Aokiji is not working under Akainu but this doesn't stop him to help marines. He at least saved Smoker for example.
Aokiji doesn't like Akainu leadership but not marines. Akainu is Fleet Admiral but not Supreme Admiral(Kong), remember that too.
 

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#19
Really dig the idea of him joining the Revolutionaries, would tie him even closer to Robin’s story and seems like a solid way for him to honor Saul. We know Blackbeard’s aims are nefarious and concern all the topics that the WG has deemed forbidden, so infiltrating his organization on behalf of the same group trying to thwart the same government would be a solid strategy...anything Teach learns or accomplishes can be undermined by informing Dragon right away, and few can hold their own if they’re outed as a spy than a former admiral.
 
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