Speculations Tashigi's role: the only woman Zoro will ever fight seriously

[Geo]

You're right, Zoro is sexist. See his response to Enel attacking Robin:

Zoro has never really cut down a woman before:

• He crushed Mrs Monday with raw strength.
• He was initially unwilling to fight back against Monet and only defended.
• When she was about to kill Tashigi, he only gave Monet a paper cut and then overwhelmed her with fear.
• He used the back of his blades against Ain.
• Oda never had him attack Linlin either.

Zoro is not unable to fight women like Sanji, but he is really, really unwilling to cut them down.

The only time he's drawn blood from a woman with his sword was the paper cut he gave Monet, and that was only when Monet was literally about to kill Tashigi. Had she not tried to kill Tashigi, Zoro may have never actually fought back.

I was always perplexed by this since child Zoro had no qualms fighting Kuina (and fully respected her as a combatant), but Kuina's death and Koshiro's own pervasive sexism ingraining it in him seems plausible.

You say that like it is a bad thing.


OT; I wouldn't want to see Zoro cutting Tashigi across the Chest

 

[kumae]

You're right, Zoro is sexist. See his response to Enel attacking Robin:

Zoro has never really cut down a woman before:

• He crushed Mrs Monday with raw strength.
• He was initially unwilling to fight back against Monet and only defended.
• When she was about to kill Tashigi, he only gave Monet a paper cut and then overwhelmed her with fear.
• He used the back of his blades against Ain.
• Oda never had him attack Linlin either.

Zoro is not unable to fight women like Sanji, but he is really, really unwilling to cut them down.

The only time he's drawn blood from a woman with his sword was the paper cut he gave Monet, and that was only when Monet was literally about to kill Tashigi. Had she not tried to kill Tashigi, Zoro may have never actually fought back.

I was always perplexed by this since child Zoro had no qualms fighting Kuina (and fully respected her as a combatant), but Kuina's death and Koshiro's own pervasive sexism ingraining it in him seems plausible.

Zoro was mad with Enel because robin didn't attack him
And when kuina said that she couldn't became strong cause she was a woman Zoro was angry with her for said that

 

[Peroroncino]

You're right, Zoro is sexist. See his response to Enel attacking Robin:

Zoro has never really cut down a woman before:

• He crushed Mrs Monday with raw strength.
• He was initially unwilling to fight back against Monet and only defended.
• When she was about to kill Tashigi, he only gave Monet a paper cut and then overwhelmed her with fear.
• He used the back of his blades against Ain.
• Oda never had him attack Linlin either.

Zoro is not unable to fight women like Sanji, but he is really, really unwilling to cut them down.

The only time he's drawn blood from a woman with his sword was the paper cut he gave Monet, and that was only when Monet was literally about to kill Tashigi. Had she not tried to kill Tashigi, Zoro may have never actually fought back.

I was always perplexed by this since child Zoro had no qualms fighting Kuina (and fully respected her as a combatant), but Kuina's death and Koshiro's own pervasive sexism ingraining it in him seems plausible.

Oda clearly doesn't like to draw women getting hurt.

 

[Finalbeta]

Zoro was mad with Enel because robin didn't attack him
And when kuina said that she couldn't became strong cause she was a woman Zoro was angry with her for said that

Also the notion that Zoro considers women biologically weaker must not be confused with sexism.

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

If we look at when zoro first fight with tashigi in Logue Town. The way zoro didn't fight her respectfully/seriously is because she resemble Kuina. He literally argue with her after that because he said she (tashigi) Looks Like her (Kuina) and talk like her

And Tashigi is right. Remember the Mihawk vs Zoro fight? Despite Zoro being a literal fodder compared to Mihawk, Mihawk was willing to slash Zoro across the chest because he respected Zoro's wish to either beat Mihawk or die trying(he says this plainly when he gets stabbed in the chest by the dagger). This is the exact same wish Tashigi had when she fought Zoro. The only difference is that Zoro wasn't willing to give Tashigi the same respect that Mihawk gave him, despite the gap between him and Tashigi easily being smaller than the gap between him and Mihawk.

No its different. Tashigi wanted a respectful fight when she fight , whereas Zoro Earn the respectful fight when he fight.

if you see ZorovsMihawk again, Mihawk was literally toying with Zoro at first and kinda dissrespect him. but when mihawk stab zoro in the chest they talk about things why he choose to fight and willing to get stabbed and still keep going and he said "if i give up right now. all the things that i done will be in vain and i'll never surpass you. i'll never give up, I rather die than give up". Mihawk conclusion that time was that this guy had strong will. and he give him his respect. after the Big Slash he said "A wound in the back is a swordsman's shame ". Mihawk give him More respect. The way i see this is that Zoro Earns the Respect.

When Tashigi fight, especially with Law. Might be harsh to say it but she Wanted the Respectful fight from law. if i remember, when law cut her she said "this is an insult, i've been cut and still can breathe, if you want to cut , Kill me Trafalgar" the way i interpret this is She Wanted the Respectful fight not earn it.

 

[vikas]

After alabasta Tashigi was my favourite character. And see her as a character with good potential in the story. You know her ordeal in Alabasta, how she viewed both sides, took decision and crying at the end and her resolve........
All went to drain

 

[Momoheechulkabe9000]

Uh what? Zoro literally clowned on Tashigi at Punk Hazard, sarcastically saying she could take credit for what would’ve been his kill. When she accused him of looking down on her, he confirmed it. He’s not going to fight her seriously. Ever.

This looks more like a complete role reversal from his relationship with Kuina. Actually, I think he enjoys teasing her which is what guys do when they like a girl. Zoro never said he would not fight Tashigi seriously in the future.

Why should Zoro give her any respect? Tashigi doesn’t train even a fraction of what he does, complains that other people are stronger than her and blames it on sexism rather than her own shortcomings. If Mihawk treated her the exact same way he treated Zoro, she’d pull the sexism card and whine instead of taking a good hard look at herself and realising that as a normal person, she needs to train a hundred times as hard as natural born destroyers and geniuses like Big Mom or Katakuri. And it’s more than possible for a normal guy to become a top tier. Shanks did it. Mihawk did it. The only thing holding Tashigi back is her shitty attitude and that enormous chip on her shoulders.

As a matter of fact, she mastered Rokushiki which requires countless hours of training and battle experience to surpass the limits of an ordinary human. In addition, Tashigi knows Haki which most of the Straw Hats don't. Its a skill privy only to Vice Admirals meaning that Coby and her are unsurprisingly way above the average marine. You acquire it through extremely hard training, against powerful opponents, and extreme circumstances. Haki is apparently quite difficult to master, as Rayleigh stated that two years was not enough time to learn the basics and yet Tashigi managed to do it despite not being trained by either the right hand of the PK or the WSS. In addition, a new sword can act as a major power up from the moment Enma was introduced. There is another issue, we don't know anything about her backstory and I don't think Oda made her look like Kuina by accident. She is possibly related to Kozaburo Shimotuki's family which is needless to say a very prestigious lineage. Its easy to judge someone when you don't know their side of the story. Tashigi is already changing her attitude especially towards the Straw Hats and actually respect them now... Its called character development.

 

[RiShin]

Tashigi's growth potential is akin to the adult trio of the strawhats. Punk hazard was once again an wake up call for Tashigi and Smoker to continue to find new ways to grow stronger. We saw this when Tashigi was wondering in chapter 687 on where did the strawhats disappear in two years and how strong have they become.
So it really depends on what Oda wants to do with Vegepunk. Vegepunk name revolve around some pretty strong scientist such as Creaser Clown, Judge, and Queen. Vegepunk is the most intelligent, and possibly the strongest out of the bunch. With that in mind, Vegepunk could teach new ways to improve Tashigi & Smoker ether by technology or showcasing on how to awaken DFs or the concept of black blades.

Eos Tashigi will more than likely be the strongest women swordsman and that should be able to make Zoro put his bandana on.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Tashigi will never be close to Zoro strength wise, she missed that train in Punk Hazard, and she'll never catch it again.
Zoro is in another league, why would he bother fighting her seriously? She's not a challenge to him.

And for people calling Zoro sexist, I don't think he is. Macho sure, but sexist? No.

 

[Momoheechulkabe9000]

I don't think Smoker and Tashigi are that far behind behind Luffy and Zoro based on the Doflamingo family hierarchy chart.

Smoker was able to go to toe with Vergo for quite a while which would put him easily around the level of Doffy's top 3 officers (Pica, Diamante, and Trebol).

Its clear Vergo was Doflamingo's strongest second in command and most trusted man. Its logical to put him above the rest of the family

Tashigi was able to fight a full power Monet who was strong enough to slow down Luffy himself and the non Haki Straw Hats would not be able to go one on one against her. The Kuina look alike would be lower than the top 3 executives but not that far behind.

Oda proved in the TS that he can hand the main characters power ups. Vegapunk is THE expert on devil fruits and could easily find a way to make Smoker stronger. Enma acts as a power up for Zoro too which means that rule can apply to Tashigi if she is able to find a higher grade sword.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

I don't think Smoker and Tashigi are that far behind behind Luffy and Zoro based on the Doflamingo family hierarchy chart.

Smoker was able to go to toe with Vergo for quite a while which would put him easily around the level of Doffy's top 3 officers (Pica, Diamante, and Trebol).

Its clear Vergo was Doflamingo's strongest second in command and most trusted man. Its logical to put him above the rest of the family

Tashigi was able to fight a full power Monet who was strong enough to slow down Luffy himself and the non Haki Straw Hats would not be able to go one on one against her. The Kuina look alike would be lower than the top 3 executives but not that far behind.

Oda proved in the TS that he can hand the main characters power ups. Vegapunk is THE expert on devil fruits and could easily find a way to make Smoker stronger. Enma acts as a power up for Zoro too which means that rule can apply to Tashigi if she is able to find a higher grade sword.

Did you miss the part where Luffy defeated 2 yonko commanders since then?
Did you also miss the part where Luffy and Zoro fought 2 yonkos? Zoro had Enma training and Luffy has CoC imbued attacks, of course Smoker and Tashigi are far away from their level, they already were but now it's not a bridge that separates them, it's an ocean.

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Zoro was more serious vs miss Monday than tashagi

 

[Cinera]

You say that like it is a bad thing.

I think it is. It's not to the same extent as Sanji, but Zoro does look down on female combatants.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

It's all about power level. If he fought a strong woman he'd fight her properly.

would he?

Zoro usually fights the 2nd strongest of the arc. Yet despite both Kaido and Big Mom being in wano, Zoro didn't try to cut big mom even once, despite big mom having a sword.

 

[HA001]

would he?

Zoro usually fights the 2nd strongest of the arc. Yet despite both Kaido and Big Mom being in wano, Zoro didn't try to cut big mom even once, despite big mom having a sword.

Because he was after kaido. Like he said in 997.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

If we look at when zoro first fight with tashigi in Logue Town. The way zoro didn't fight her respectfully/seriously is because she resemble Kuina. He literally argue with her after that because he said she (tashigi) Looks Like her (Kuina) and talk like her



No its different. Tashigi wanted a respectful fight when she fight , whereas Zoro Earn the respectful fight when he fight.

if you see ZorovsMihawk again, Mihawk was literally toying with Zoro at first and kinda dissrespect him. but when mihawk stab zoro in the chest they talk about things why he choose to fight and willing to get stabbed and still keep going and he said "if i give up right now. all the things that i done will be in vain and i'll never surpass you. i'll never give up, I rather die than give up". Mihawk conclusion that time was that this guy had strong will. and he give him his respect. after the Big Slash he said "A wound in the back is a swordsman's shame ". Mihawk give him More respect. The way i see this is that Zoro Earns the Respect.

When Tashigi fight, especially with Law. Might be harsh to say it but she Wanted the Respectful fight from law. if i remember, when law cut her she said "this is an insult, i've been cut and still can breathe, if you want to cut , Kill me Trafalgar" the way i interpret this is She Wanted the Respectful fight not earn it.

I don't understand how Zoro earned respect from Mihawk but Tashigi somehow didn't deserve it from Zoro

She was willing to die fighting zoro just as zoro was willing to die fighting mihawk, zoro just didn't respect her wishes enough because she was a woman

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Also the notion that Zoro considers women biologically weaker must not be confused with sexism.

but it literally is sexism

Tashigi is much weaker than zoro, fine. But she's not actual fodder. Yet zoro is willing to cut actual fodder before he cuts tashigi or any woman.

Why does zoro give weaker men more respect than stronger women?

 

[kumae]

I don't understand how Zoro earned respect from Mihawk but Tashigi somehow didn't deserve it from Zoro

She was willing to die fighting zoro just as zoro was willing to die fighting mihawk, zoro just didn't respect her wishes enough because she was a woman

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but it literally is sexism

Tashigi is much weaker than zoro, fine. But she's not actual fodder. Yet zoro is willing to cut actual fodder before he cuts tashigi or any woman.

Why does zoro give weaker men more respect than stronger women?

Is literally the same that Sanji does.Yes he loves all women but he doesn't any male to hurt them.Isn't that sexim?isn't that considering women weaker?

 

[Patryipe]

I don't think Smoker and Tashigi are that far behind behind Luffy and Zoro based on the Doflamingo family hierarchy chart.

Smoker was able to go to toe with Vergo for quite a while which would put him easily around the level of Doffy's top 3 officers (Pica, Diamante, and Trebol).

Its clear Vergo was Doflamingo's strongest second in command and most trusted man. Its logical to put him above the rest of the family

Tashigi was able to fight a full power Monet who was strong enough to slow down Luffy himself and the non Haki Straw Hats would not be able to go one on one against her. The Kuina look alike would be lower than the top 3 executives but not that far behind.

Oda proved in the TS that he can hand the main characters power ups. Vegapunk is THE expert on devil fruits and could easily find a way to make Smoker stronger. Enma acts as a power up for Zoro too which means that rule can apply to Tashigi if she is able to find a higher grade sword.

Tashigi's best feat is almost dying to Monet before Zoro saves her and negs Monet on the spot but she isn't that far behind?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Is literally the same that Sanji does.Yes he loves all women but he doesn't any male to hurt them.Isn't that sexim?isn't that considering women weaker?

That's because Zeff, the man sanji views as a father, taught him to never hit women

Zoro was never like that. Zoro always thought women were equal to men. Then Kuina fell down the stairs and died, and zoro has viewed women as fragile ever since.

 

[kumae]

That's because Zeff, the man sanji views as a father, taught him to never hit women

Zoro was never like that. Zoro always thought women were equal to men. Then Kuina "fell down the stairs"and died, and zoro has viewed women as fragile ever since.

Fixed it