Questions & Mysteries Why do people want get rid of M3?

[Lion of Olympus]

What does that have to do with my point?

Is Jinbei not abnormal in strength compared to Nami and co?

1. He’s fighting someone in the same league as the people Franky and the rest of the weaker straw hats are fighting, so I doubt it.

2. Jinbei is already pretty old and already close to his prime, meanwhile the other weaker still have a lot of room to grow. Frank should close the gap by the end of the arc

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Because Oda keeps on shitting on Sanji. I mean at first I was like, Sanji will shine soon but after 15 years of not shining at all, it's becoming less and less likely
But here I am, still waiting for him to get a good 1v1 in Wano

 

[Geo]

1. He’s fighting someone in the same league as the people Franky and the rest of the weaker straw hats are fighting, so I doubt it.

2. Jinbei is already pretty old and already close to his prime, meanwhile the other weaker still have a lot of room to grow. Frank should close the gap by the end of the arc

Chopper is fighting Queen....what does that do to your logic...think

 

[Kishido]

For me the M3 stood for more than just PL like people see it

It is a unique dynamic of characters so different but also so similar. Franky could have fitted but we know what happened. Jinbe isn't fitting the slightest... If Yamato will, we will see.

And people say are just called monsters because compare to the the likes as Nami. But no... Even the likes as Brook and Franky are amazed by their feats through the story. And Franky is fighting someone on the same level/rank as Jinbe.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

M3 never stood for the 3 strongest in the crew. It stood for the strength comparison between abnormal guys like Sanji , Luffy and Zoro to Nami and co

 

[Cinera]

Forget dick riding your fav and only talk about that trio. Ever since Robin people says Oda will make a M4 or something. Now even Jinbe isn't in the mix and the closest might be Yamato soon.

But my question is... Why do people have a problem with these 3 standing above all others until the end?

Because Oda hasn't respected Sanji as a combatant and I would like for formidable combatants to actually join the crew.

Quoting myself from the spoiler thread:

I think Sanji gets great feats going forward, but beating Queen is not enough for him to push Zoro to medium difficulty.

I'm not confident that Queen can push a bloodlusted Zoro to medium difficulty.

And that was before Zoro awakened COC.

The dynamic where Sanji pushes Zoro to high difficulty and Zoro pushes Luffy to high difficulty as died and there's no indication it's coming back.

If Sanji solos both King and Queen like @Yasheen and @Zoro D Goat claim, I'll reconsider, but until then, End of Wano Luffy and Zoro low diff End of Wano Sanji.

Given that, the monster trio feels meaningless. When was the last time Luffy, Zoro and Sanji worked together to defeat an enemy? (The Kraken) Leave Luffy aside, when last did Zoro and Sanji work together to defeat an enemy? (Pacifista on Punk Hazard). When last did they work together to protect Luffy? (Vs Hody's officers on Fishman Island). When last did they save each other in combat or have each other's backs or anything?

For the last 10 years, Zoro, Law and Luffy have been more of a trip or various pairs of duos. Even in this very arc, it was Zoro, Law and Luffy on the Rooftop not Sanji.

Sanji will defeat a Calamity? Yes, I agree. Defeating a Calamity just doesn't cut it anymore when Zoro and Luffy can low diff Calamities.

The combination of Law, Zoro and Luffy have felt more like a monster trio than Sanji, Zoro and Luffy have for the last decade. Given Zoro and Luffy's feats now, I don't see End of Wano Sanji being on the same tier with them (let alone their end of Wano versions), so I don't think the dynamic that sometimes existed preskip would be restored.

Like let's look at the best case for Sanji. He leaves Wano at Katakuri level. Well Katakuri level fighters get low diffed by Base Kaido. Both Luffy and Zoro should leave Wano above Base Kaido.

In addition to his Rooftop feats, by the end of Wano Zoro will get:

• Mastery of Haoshoku enhancement
• A black Enma

Luffy was already able to go toe to toe with Hybrid Kaido (apparently without Gear 4th!) for 30 minutes+, and he'll probably eventually defeat him.

At the end of Wano, Luffy and Zoro will be some flavour of Mid Top Tiers.

A YC 1 like Katakuri gets low/no diffed by them. And Katakuri level is the best End of Wano Sanji can hope for.

End of Wano Sanji gets low/no diffed by Luffy and Zoro.


On the other hand, by portrayal, End of Wano Law probably pushes End of Wano Zoro to at least high difficulty, and Yamato has the hype and performance to justify that if Oda wanted to.

Oda could write the story so that Law and Yamato leave Wano as Low Top Tiers (and it's what I'm hoping for).

Given the choice of Sanji being the 3rd strongest Strawhat and being a YC 2 - YC 1 while Luffy and Zoro are solid Top Tiers (he'll be low/no diff material for them), or Yamato and Law joining the crew as Low Top Tiers (so relative to Zoro and Luffy), I'll pick the latter every time.

I do not care for a monster trio where the 3rd strongest is at best low difficulty fight for the other two.


Tl;Dr: Sanji is too weak to make the Monster Trio feel meaningful.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

You can say the M3 exists, I don't mind.
Doesn't change that Sanji has literally no feats Post Time Skip to even measure up to Franky. Fuck it. Brook.

 

[Enma]

The concept is too misleading, especially with Jinbe and possibly Yamato joining.

 

[Kishido]

You can say the M3 exists, I don't mind.
Doesn't change that Sanji has literally no feats Post Time Skip to even measure up to Franky. Fuck it. Brook.

You don't get the thread. I don't disagree with it... But again ever since Arabasta people wanted to change it... And I will repeat myself. Outside of the PL look deeper into the dynamic of the 3 and the characters... It's more than just PL.

 

[Geo]

You really should read carefully instead of just posting panels. The panels only prove my point. Nowhere does it denote the 3 strongest. It denotes the abnormal fighters (monsters) in the crew which turned out were only 3 until Jinbei Jojned making them 4

Are you going to argue that Jinbei isn't an abnormal fighter

 

[Kishido]

You really should read carefully instead of just posting panels. The panels only prove my point. Nowhere does it denote the 3 strongest. It denotes the abnormal fighters (monsters) in the crew which turned out were only 3 until Jinbei Jojned making them 4

What makes Jinbe abnormal if Franky is fighting someone of the same rank and hype as Jinbe's opponent

And like Jinbe, Franky put Big Mom down as well... And I agree... Both had better feats as Sanji post TS

So will we have a monster 6?

 

[Blother Fertitta]

You don't get the thread. I don't disagree with it... But again ever since Arabasta people wanted to change it... And I will repeat myself. Outside of the PL look deeper into the dynamic of the 3 and the characters... It's more than just PL.

If ur talking about leadership then we can’t even consider Sanji even then.

Sure he led the strawhats in DR. But literally the rest of them were Chopper Momo Nami and Brook. He has no one with balls there.

WCI didn’t matter since Jinbei led the crew momentarily in their time of duress. He checked everyone into shape. Then in Wano, Sanji couldn’t even maintain order with Law, Shinobu, and two scabbards.

When there appears ppl stronger than him the dynamic crumbles. A true M3 is a leader who would in fact keep everything in check bc ppl respect their presence.

Going into Wano when Zoro and Sanji met in the Flower Capital at Yasu execution. Everyone knew what to based on Zoro’s presence. Zoro hands Toko over to Sanji, tells Franky to shield Sanji and Toko, Usopp handling the snipes, with Robin and Nami as backup. That’s flawless leadership. Unfortunately Sanji isn’t capable of uniting others under him. This is shown when he crumbled as soon as Capone pulled up. And left.

 

[Geo]

What makes Jinbe abnormal if Franky is fighting someone of the same rank and hype as Jinbe's opponent

And like Jinbe, Franky put Big Mom down as well... And I agree... Both had better feats as Sanji post TS

So will we have a monster 6?

What makes Sanji abnormal if Chopper is fighting someone ranked higher (Queen)?

Big Mom calls Jinbei a strong ally, Law and Kidd think of him as a big shot. Yet you think he's not a monster in combat ...lol

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

You really should read carefully instead of just posting panels. The panels only prove my point. Nowhere does it denote the 3 strongest. It denotes the abnormal fighters (monsters) in the crew which turned out were only 3 until Jinbei Jojned making them 4

Are you going to argue that Jinbei isn't an abnormal fighter

Usopp literally called them the three strongest guys in the crew. And Jinbei or Yamato joining doesn't disrupt anything. They're still monsters in their own ways but Luffy, Zoro, Sanji stand out the most.

 

[Geo]

Usopp literally called them the three strongest guys in the crew. And Jinbei or Yamato joining doesn't disrupt anything. They're still monsters in their own ways but Luffy, Zoro, Sanji stand out the most.

Lol yet they are called MONSTER TRIO.
Usopp's statement isn't the qualification of them being called monster trio. They called that because they are considered the abnormal fighters in the crew.
For someone who posts tons of panels, seems you don't know what they even prove

 

[fanboy]

Because Sanji is genetically superior than those East Blue weaklings. Sanji deserves to be on his own tier.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Lol yet they are called MONSTER TRIO.
Usopp's statement isn't the qualification of them being called monster trio. They called that because they are considered the abnormal fighters in the crew.
For someone who posts tons of panels, seems you don't know what they even prove

Panels on where Usopp calling them Monster Trio because they're so called "abnormal"?

They're the three strongest members. Don't twist it.

 

[fanboy]

Luffy is Sanji's Right Hand Man. Zoro is Sanji's Left Hand Man.

 

[Geo]

Panels on where Usopp calling them Monster Trio because they're so called "abnormal"?

They're the three strongest members. Don't twist it.

What does Monster Trio mean lol....literally stands for 3 monsters. Are monsters normal to you?


Like I said, if you are going to argue, argue that Jinbei isn't a monster

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

What does Monster Trio mean lol....literally stands for 3 monsters. Are monsters normal to you?

They are called that because they have the strength of a monster.