Questions & Mysteries Why was Ace's bounty so low?

[TheAncientCenturion]

We know that Ace was a rising star, quickly getting a high bounty and even being scouted for the Shichibukai before joining the Whitebeard pirates. Beyond that, he rose to be one of their Division Commanders in a short period of a time. 16 of Whitebeard's most elite allies, possessed a strong Logia on top of it, and his parentage must've been familiar to the World Government around this period too. Why was his bounty stuck at a measly 550,000,000? It's big, sure, but it's not exactly Yonkou Officer big. Take into account the fact that bounties are inflated when these pirates come under strong captains, too.

D: All the characters of “Yonko Officer” class have very high bounties. Do their bounties ever go up simply for the reason that they are the Officer of XX? P.N. Rice LOVE

O: Yes yes, that totally happens. After the Dressrosa incident, all the people involved with the Straw Hat Crew got a flat 50 million increase. The crew members’ bounties often increase with their captain. This is because it is actually fairly difficult to appraise the strength of each individual person and assign a money value to them.

It feels odd that a pirate capable of being a Shichibukai, made a Whitebeard pirate then Division leader, had such a pitiful bounty. Even Snack was 600,000,000 and Perospero, a life long and capable pirate, 700,000,000. Feels like if Ace was as impressive as certain people in the fandom want him to be, his bounty would at least be 700,000,000 considering everything working in his favor.

My biggest issue here is that even Enel, if he came to the Blue Sea, could rack up a 500,000,000 bounty solo.

What are your thoughts? Is there a good explanation to this, or is this a case of Ace being introduced too early into the series?

 

[ZoroIsOverrated]

Cause he wasn’t that strong, plus he didn’t do much. Also, there’s so many Ace threads recently lol

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Cause he wasn’t that strong, plus he didn’t do much

He must've done something huge to be wanted for the Shichibukai position.

 

[NeutralWatcher]

Ace spent the majority of his pirate lives chasing after BB and did nothing extraordinary during the chase. Had he stayed with WB his bounty will reach almost 1 billion.

His bounty was also before time skip. Cracker bounty before timeskip probably similar to Ace bounty.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Ace spent the majority of his pirate lives chasing after BB and did nothing extraordinary during the chase. Had he stayed with WB his bounty will reach almost 1 billion.

That was 5 months of his time, he'd been apart of the WB pirates for years.

His bounty was also before time skip. Cracker bounty before timeskip probably similar to Ace bounty.

Can't argue for or against your point because there's nothing to go off of.

 

[Jiihad]

I thinks its three things really. First part is, it was introduced pre skip. And like almost everything pre skip vs post skip, Oda retconned it. Remember when Oda said 400mill is exceedingly hard to surpass and go up once you hit it? And Ace was 150mill above that, he’ll tha WG considered him a bigger threat than Doffy when Doffy joined tha Warlords. And that’s with tha WG knowing both of their histories and such

Secondly, Ace spent a year doing nothing noteworthy. He wasted a year chasing Teach. And even before that wasn’t it stated that tha WhiteBeard Pirates hadn’t really made any moves in years at that point? So he hadn’t really gotten a chance to go and jus do crazy shit to boost his bounty.

Lastly, he was young. He got 550mill in 3 years. Cracker has 800 mill and he’s a good bit older than Ace I think. Perospero is much, much older than Ace, wit decades of pirating and only got 150mill on him. Same wit Katakuri, hes been pirating for decades. And Ace got half his bounty in like 2 years( he spent a year searching for Teach so his bounty ain’t move in a year)

 

[NeutralWatcher]

That was 5 months of his time, he'd been apart of the WB pirates for years.

Can't argue for or against your point because there's nothing to go off of.

Cracker has been a part of BM pirates for years and his bounty is 860.000.000 even though he is YC3 and Cracker is way older than Ace. I think Ace is too young and inexperienced

 

[King7]

After thinking about it , i agree it's low and i think he got introduced too early

 

[sanjikun]

Ace and Roger are both "55" because Luffy is "56" -> Gomu. Same reason why Oda gave Katakuri "57" mill.

And pre-TS all bounties were deflated. Moriah went toe to toe with Kaido, and his frozen bounty was lower than Pekoms.

 

[Erkan12]

Low? Nah, it's fine. He wasn't a veteran like Vista, Jozu etc.

Ace was YC4;
Marco YC1
Jozu YC2
Vista YC3
Ace YC4

Katakuri YC1 ; 1,057 billion
Smoothie YC2; 932 million
Cracker YC3; 860 million
Perospero YC4; 700 million
Snack YC5; 600 million


Perospero and Snack are more experienced than Ace, but Ace is only -50 million less than Snack, and -150 million less than Perospero.

As for Enel; Enel has CoO Haki, he only lacks CoA, plus Lightning logia > Fire logia.

 

[silverfire]

It's about right IMHO. Ace was on a quick growth trajectory just like Luffy. Him getting wrapped up with BB was unfortunate. It's not unlikely that one more successful campaign would've given him a several hundred mil boost or more. At the time he got it, it probably fairly accurately reflected his strength as well, but like Luffy, his strength was likely increasing rapidly.

And bounty is impacted by other factors beyond raw strength. It's unlikely that Pero is stronger than Snack, or that Jack is stronger than Smoothie. Ace as a young, inexperienced pirate, but also one that is unusually kind to civilians, is exactly the type to have a disproportionately low bounty.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Well firstly, Ace's bounty was introduced preTS and was meant as a shocker compared to the bounties of that time. Luffy didn't surpass him in bounty until he was crowned Emperor.

Moreover, Ace was quite young when he joined the WBP, and he later spent his time chasing BB around. Him being offered a Shici seat and being a division commander was more due to his potential at the time. He fought Jimbei for 5 days straight, an experienced veteran of the NW, challenged WB, sought out Shanks. He was an up start moving around the world, similarly to Luffy. He was groomed to take the role of PK, but he chose to pursue Teach. He also was not one to harm civilians in his way as well.

Now, the crews you listed.
The BM pirates are an extremely violent group who go around destroying countries for sweets.

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The Beast Pirates are a notoriously violent and bloodthirsty group that take over countries, destroy them, like Zou, and are preparing for a war that would engulf the entire world. Their captain is also extremely reckless, they attack everyone, marines, other yonko, etc.

Spoiler

And as you mentioned the crewmemebers receive an increase from their captain, but Oda also says it's difficult to actually measure a person's strength based on the bounty.

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Tackling your point about the government knowing about him and his parentage, Sengoku here wonders about him being a D, and ostensibly, around the same time he had already been made an offer to join the Shichi but declined it.

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Now if I am not mistaken, we have yet to see the WBP behave violently towards countries. From their early days they respected the countries they were in. WB himself saying that taking Oden to sea would be deemed kidnapping and thus cause consequences.

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The only time we were shown that WBP took over a country was to protect it, and that was FMI.

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We don't see them destroying countries, causing ruckus or whatnot, like the BMP and BP.

Whilst WB was a more legendary figure than either Kaido or BM will ever be, it seems he had settled down so to say, even before Ace joined him, as we can see him here being hooked on IV while reading about Ace.

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Furthermore, Ace had to search for Jimbei to somehow then locate WB.

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implying that WB had settled down somewhere in the corner of the world, where only those who were close to him knew, rather than going around on adventures, which would have been documented at least and enabled Ace to locate him.

Although Ace technically joined the WBP after his duel with Jimbei, he didn't feel like a part of their crew. On the contrary, he tried to attack and kill WB a lot. Now, if we take it that he tried to do so at least once a day, we come to a conclusion that Ace spent around 3 months+ a couple of days doing that, as is noted here that he had tried to do so for the 100th time.

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It wasn't until later that Ace actually started belonging to the crew, and was then offered a division commander role.

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Only then did he receive more recognition from the world and the marines, as noted by Sengoku's reaction here.

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However, it seems that even that was rather short, as he had then went to pursue BB in order to avenge Thatch and wasted a lot of time just going around trying to locate BB, instead of doing something else of note that might have raised his bounty.

Spoiler

And of course, the inflation. For a long amount of time, the speculations concerning Yonko bounties were that they are going to be in the 2b range at most, given how and what amounts were presented to us. So Ace having that bounty pre TS is fairly fine. However, it can appear to be a bit outdated compared to the bounties now, but as I have said it can be explained.


For @Bogard and @Kiwipom

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He just sucked and was weak

 

[stealthblack]

Oda was not decided that he would jump the boat with the bounties. ace was for 2 years in the nw part of wb pirate.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

Well firstly, Ace's bounty was introduced preTS and was meant as a shocker compared to the bounties of that time. Luffy didn't surpass him in bounty until he was crowned Emperor.

Moreover, Ace was quite young when he joined the WBP, and he later spent his time chasing BB around. Him being offered a Shici seat and being a division commander was more due to his potential at the time. He fought Jimbei for 5 days straight, an experienced veteran of the NW, challenged WB, sought out Shanks. He was an up start moving around the world, similarly to Luffy. He was groomed to take the role of PK, but he chose to pursue Teach. He also was not one to harm civilians in his way as well.

Now, the crews you listed.
The BM pirates are an extremely violent group who go around destroying countries for sweets.

Spoiler

The Beast Pirates are a notoriously violent and bloodthirsty group that take over countries, destroy them, like Zou, and are preparing for a war that would engulf the entire world. Their captain is also extremely reckless, they attack everyone, marines, other yonko, etc.

Spoiler

And as you mentioned the crewmemebers receive an increase from their captain, but Oda also says it's difficult to actually measure a person's strength based on the bounty.

Spoiler

Tackling your point about the government knowing about him and his parentage, Sengoku here wonders about him being a D, and ostensibly, around the same time he had already been made an offer to join the Shichi but declined it.

Spoiler

Now if I am not mistaken, we have yet to see the WBP behave violently towards countries. From their early days they respected the countries they were in. WB himself saying that taking Oden to sea would be deemed kidnapping and thus cause consequences.

Spoiler

The only time we were shown that WBP took over a country was to protect it, and that was FMI.

Spoiler

We don't see them destroying countries, causing ruckus or what not, like the BMP and BP.

Whilst WB was a more legendary figure than either Kaido or BM will ever be, it seems he had settled down so to say, even before Ace joined him, as we can see him here being hooked on IV while reading about Ace.

Spoiler

Furthermore, Ace had to search for Jimbei to somehow then locate WB.

Spoiler

implying that WB had settled down somewhere in the corner of the world, where only those who were close to him knew, rather than going around on adventures, which would have been documented at least and enabled Ace to locate him.

Although Ace technically joined the WBP after his duel with Jimbei, he didn't feel like a part of their crew. On the contrary, he tried to attack and kill WB a lot. Now, if we take it that he tried to do so at least once a day, we come to a conclusion that Ace spent around 3 months+ a couple of days doing that, as is noted here that he had tried to do so for the 100th time.

Spoiler

It wasn't until later that Ace actually started belonging to the crew, and was then offered a division commander role.

Spoiler

Only then did he receive more recognition from the world and the marines, as noted by Sengoku's reaction here.

Spoiler

However, it seems that even that was rather short, as he had then went to pursue BB in order to avenge Thatch and wasted a lot of time just going around trying to locate BB, instead of doing something else of note that might have raised his bounty.

Spoiler

And of course, the inflation. For a long amount of time, the speculations concerning Yonko bounties were that they are going to be in the 2b range at most, given how and what amounts were presented to us. So Ace having that bounty pre TS is fairly fine. However, it can appear to be a bit outdated compared to the bounties now, but as I have said it can be explained.


For @Bogard and @Kiwipom

Spoiler

He just sucked and was weak

The only beats pirates that went to collect snacks are people that arent even part of BMP family

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Ace and Roger are both "55" because Luffy is "56" -> Gomu. Same reason why Oda gave Katakuri "57" mill.

And pre-TS all bounties were deflated. Moriah went toe to toe with Kaido, and his frozen bounty was lower than Pekoms.

The only thing wrong here is that Moriah went toe to toe with Kaido.
He didn't... he got beaten badly and ran away from NW.

Ace bounty was just symbolic

 

[Just a member]

It was that low because he was still young and also pre time skip stuff like Croco with his 80 M or Doffy bounty being frozen at 320 M.

Also the WG didn't give him weight for being Roger's son, even if they knew about it, but according to the execution force they arranged it is clear at that point that, given his bloodline, his actual bounty would have been among the highest in the series. I could see the WG want to actually challenge the strongest yonko and withdraw forces from around the world in order to protect the execution stage and gather all the admirals, vice etc only for the top of top of pirates. So imo they would have prepared something like that only for Dragon and the yonkos and that was the real value of Ace (which at that point was mostly still only potential but they knew he could grow to become another Roger plus they had to wipe out the message that Roger's bloodline still lived).

 

[Finalbeta]

Because he didn't cause that many issues, probably less than Kidd's issues

The grand portion of his bounty came from his wicked origins

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

The only beats pirates that went to collect snacks are people that arent even part of BMP family

Who are beats pirates?

And is it so hard to click one button senpai?At least when you quote me please read and see the panels I post. Unless Amande, the third daughter and seventh child of Big Mom is not a part of BM's family. I will post it without the spoiler this time.

 

[trav]

to make it a numerical joke. he is the small roger.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

It was a pre ts bounty. Post ts they inflated a lot. His strength isn't questionable.

 

[Garp the Fist]

It's really not low. It's still higher than Luffy and Law got for all the shit they had gotten up to up until Dressrosa. Meaning that it's worth more than
-beating the big pirates of East Blue
-beating three Warlords of the Sea
-beating CP9's strongest assassin
-invading all three main government facilitates and causing untold mayhem there
-being related to Garp and Dragon

And it's worth more than infiltrating the World Gov as a Warlord in order to overthrow another Warlord, put the world black market into chaos and destroy the balance of power by aiming to take down a Yonko

It's still higher than anything the Worst Gen have gotten so far (Blackbeard and Luffy excepted) and he was younger than any of them (20) when he died. It's only pirates who sailed for longer than Ace, with the Yonko, that have a higher bounty.

Basically, when it comes to young pirates bounties is by far the most impressive of anything up until Luffy became a semi-official Emperor himself.