Powers & Abilities "Sanji uses the RS because he was too weak"

#21
Enies Lobby. Monster Point was always a thing for Chopper(not sure if Oda ever foreshadowed at Alabasta/Skypea).
Franky was a new introduction, so no power up to him.
Usopp was cooler with fire attacks but nothing that he couldn't do before. I wouldn't consider a power up too.
Nami was only using her clima tact in a intelligent way. No power up.

Luffy, Zoro and Sanji. Sanji spinning around and heating his leg makes sense by physics. Luffy G3 make sense by his DF and G2... not so much. Zoro's Ashura is the most stupid thing I ever saw in this manga.

So only 3 true power ups at Enies Lobby(monster trio) with Sanji's being very well accepted, Luffy's half well accepted and Zoro's complete bullshit.
In Water 7 CP9 was able to neg diff the entire crew. Then we get to Sea Train and Blueno neg diffs Sanji. Then Sanji gets to Enies Loby and can fight Jabra who is over twice as strong as Blueno no problem without DJ. SHs all moved up an entire tier outside of their new power ups.
 
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#22
How can RS not being a power up if Sanji needs it to save people that he couldn't without RS?
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In Water 7 CP9 was able to neg diff the entire crew. Then we get to Sea Train and Blueno neg diffs Sanji. Then Sanji gets to Enies Loby and can fight Jabra who is over twice as strong as Blueno no problem without DJ. SHs all moved up an entire tier outside of their new power ups.
Like I said, I only see Monster Trio getting that insane boost.
 
#23
Uhh.... Nerfed Base Sanji broke Queen's skull while carrying Zoro is not good enough lol?

Sanji indirectly one shots Perospero as well Lmao.
Yeah its not good enough since Queen is in tip top shape the next chapter twisting his neck and head in a weird way at Tama on the second floor.

No characters being one shot while speaking in mid air '' perorin ''.

Do you think Sanji won't need to use the Raid Suit to beat Queen or something?
 
#24
You basically said that Sanji were as strong as G4 Luffy at Dressrosa. Are you aware of that?
At this point everything is possible and fair, just look at Law. Oda did dirty on making him get clapped by Doffy 3 fucking times :kobeha:

Now he is fighting an Younko with Kidd :luuh:
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Let's hope Oda doesn't troll us by making him fighting with the suit and making it look like he is completely dependent on it.
The writing is pretty good until now with Sanji's usage of the Raid Suit, pls Oda, don't do that
 
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#25
•So you say testinh while without RS :
1- Sanji wouldn't have the ability to sneak between queen and King and try to save Momo .
2- he wouldn't have the ability to survive King's attack .
3- he wouldn't have the ability to run away from Hawkins and Drake while carrying 3 persons .
4- we already saw him in base against Zoan Drake , he couldn't do shit but with RS he could push page one to hybrid and survive his casual push .

And the list goes on
 
#26
How can RS not being a power up if Sanji needs it to save people that he couldn't without RS?
But it is a power up, people just don't want him to depend on it completely and develop his base strength without relying completely on what the Raid Suit offers, also the Raid Suit is kinda broken due to the invisibility and the easy flying potential (these are the main factors of why he is able to rescue people so easily).
 
#28
Well the suit is still a power up but not something he needs to relay on, unless it's called for & sanji wearing it against P1 even though he didn't need it, just shows us that he still cared & appreciate his family, regardless what they did in the past & if you read WCI you can see clearly how things was starting to get better between him & his siblings, them starting to show emotions even if it was only a little, I mean why else would he be testing it out? If he really hated them & saw no change in them ,sanji doesn't hate his family like he says & unlike his siblings he was already strong & will continue to grow stronger on his own, I'm sure during this arc we'll get more clearity on his feelings towards his family/RS pu
 
#29
Oda could literally have Sanji's Haki bloom in an extreme fight same as Luffy, he's one of the main 3 and parallel Gaban, he has so much potential.. Oda didn't need to give him the raid suit shake my head..
Nothing indicates that Sanji depends on it, he is fighting without it now, he stated more than once that the Raid Suit was going to be used to save people and to disguise himself if necessary, and thats what he did until now. If he end up using in a fight it will probably be situational, if he sees the need of using it, it will probably be due to a especific reason (to escape from Queen's plagues for example), this is a way of making him not depend on it completely. Unless Oda wants to turn him into a complete Power Ranger once for all
 
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#30
I’ve said it in other threads but I’ll post it again here because I believe everything you’ve listed here are flaws Sanji needs to overcome. He still isn’t accepting his full self. Sanji is a Vinesmoke. And Judge and his shitty siblings can’t do anything about it. He’s a Vinesmoke and the greatest of all of them whether they want to accept it or not.

I believe the point of Queen’s connection to Judge is to give Sanji a chance to finish the character arc he started in WCI and embrace himself as Vinesmoke Sanji. I think his moment with Momo where Sanji congratulated him on refusing to throw away his Kozuki name is foreshadowing for Sanji’s own growth.



All of the excuses Sanji makes for using his raid suit are still him rejecting who is is. I actually think Sanji not incorporating DJ into his RS yet could be him refusing to embrace both sides of himself but that’s just speculation/headcanon for now.

I believe Sanji is going to start out this fight in Base, but it’s not going to be enough and he’s going to have to accept the RS for real, as a power up. Sanji using the RS for power isn’t a disgrace, it’s him embracing a birthright others tried to take from him. Anyone who wants Sanji to get CoC should embrace it because his Royal linage is his best route he has to it imo. If he’s to get I believe it will be because he’s the first true Germa conqueror in a few hundred years.

People who are worried about the RS meaning he’s weak without it are silly. Who cares? These guys are Pirates and strength is strength by any means necessary. He can reap the benefits and still get stronger himself as well.
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Oda could literally have Sanji's Haki bloom in an extreme fight same as Luffy, he's one of the main 3 and parallel Gaban, he has so much potential.. Oda didn't need to give him the raid suit shake my head..
But his haki could still bloom while having the raid suit, why is it a problem
Luffy has his DF
Zoro has his swords & new one enma
Why can't sanji have his raid suit through most of the series sanji has consistently being putting his human body on the line more than luffy or zoro who has weapons to help , smh
 
#33
I’ve said it in other threads but I’ll post it again here because I believe everything you’ve listed here are flaws Sanji needs to overcome. He still isn’t accepting his full self. Sanji is a Vinesmoke. And Judge and his shitty siblings can’t do anything about it. He’s a Vinesmoke and the greatest of all of them whether they want to accept it or not.

I believe the point of Queen’s connection to Judge is to give Sanji a chance to finish the character arc he started in WCI and embrace himself as Vinesmoke Sanji. I think his moment with Momo where Sanji congratulated him on refusing to throw away his Kozuki name is foreshadowing for Sanji’s own growth.



All of the excuses Sanji makes for using his raid suit are still him rejecting who is is. I actually think Sanji not incorporating DJ into his RS yet could be him refusing to embrace both sides of himself but that’s just speculation/headcanon for now.

I believe Sanji is going to start out this fight in Base, but it’s not going to be enough and he’s going to have to accept the RS for real, as a power up. Sanji using the RS for power isn’t a disgrace, it’s him embracing a birthright others tried to take from him. Anyone who wants Sanji to get CoC should embrace it because his Royal linage is his best route he has to it imo. If he’s to get I believe it will be because he’s the first true Germa conqueror in a few hundred years.

People who are worried about the RS meaning he’s weak without it are silly. Who cares? These guys are Pirates and strength is strength by any means necessary. He can reap the benefits and still get stronger himself as well.
I think this one of the main possibilities, but i think the matter here is how this is going to play out powerscaling speaking, will he develop his base strength, a new power up? Will he realize he needs the Raid Suit cuz he isn't strong enough to beat Queen? Or will it be due to something especific (like to escape Queen's plagues)? Sanji will suddenly start liking the Vinsmokes, embracing his name and the Raid Suit? Some of these things could be pretty messy for the writing depending on how it's done, strength and storywise.
 
#35
With RS hemight be able to reach Vergo level, who is bellow Pica
Pica can't kill even fodder lol, fodder laughs at Pica, Vergo shits on another Vice Admiral like Smoker, Tashigi and random marines, all at once. Only PH Sanji's kicks could make Vergo feel more excited and actually take a time to get up and recompose, unfortunately Smoker's haki blows are too weak.
 
#36
But his haki could still bloom while having the raid suit, why is it a problem
Luffy has his DF
Zoro has his swords & new one enma
Why can't sanji have his raid suit through most of the series sanji has consistently being putting his human body on the line more than luffy or zoro who has weapons to help , smh
Then if his Haki bloom in battle, i would want the raid suit to get destroyed. Sanji growth in the entire series has been on his own, not with the help of technology, it should remain as such. In the same manner, he won't use knifes or swords in battle even if he was trained for it under the Vinsmokes and Germa.

Luffy has his DF, Sanji has powers based on DF abilities too(still theory though)..
 
#37
I think this one of the main possibilities, but i think the matter here is how this is going to play out powerscaling speaking, will he develop his base strength, a new power up? Will he realize he needs the Raid Suit cuz he isn't strong enough to beat Queen? Or will it be due to something especific (like to escape Queen's plagues)? Sanji will suddenly start liking the Vinsmokes, embracing his name and the Raid Suit? Some of these things could be pretty messy for the writing depending on how it's done, strength and storywise.
Sanji doesn’t have to start liking the rest of the family to accept himself. Owning being Vinesmoke Sanji would be a spit in Judge’s face more than anything because Judge told him not to call himself that. And owning that name while rising in notoriety above Judge and all his other children would be even more of an insult to Judge. Sanji being a Vinesmoke’s got nothing to do with Judge or his approval. It’s about realizing it doesn’t matter because he is who he is.

I think Sanji will continue to get new power ups in his kicks and fire abilities (which may be lineage factor anyway but still doesn’t matter), as well as haki. The suit doesn’t mean Sanji quits growing on his own, it just stacks on top of what he already brings to the table.
 
#38
Pica can't kill even fodder lol, fodder laughs at Pica, Vergo shits on another Vice Admiral like Smoker, Tashigi and random marines, all at once. Only PH Sanji's kicks could make Vergo feel more excited and actually take a time to get up and recompose, unfortunately Smoker's haki blows are too weak.
Smoker is utter trash.
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According to the what first question.
Time is elapsing in OP universe. Characters are growing .d you are still at punk hazard.d
Only people who fight or train get stronger.

Or people who get presents from his daddy.
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#39
Sanji doesn’t have to start liking the rest of the family to accept himself. Owning being Vinesmoke Sanji would be a spit in Judges face more than anything because Judge told him not to call himself that. And owning that name while rising in notoriety above Judge and all his other children would be even more of an insult to Judge. Sanji being a Vinesmoke’s got nothing to do with Judge or his approval. It’s about realizing it doesn’t matter and that he is who he is.

I think Sanji will continue to get new power ups in his kicks and fire abilities (which may be lineage factor anyway but still doesn’t matter), as well as haki. The suit doesn’t mean Sanji quits growing on his own, it just stacks on top of what he already brings to the table.
I see, i think the Raid Suit will be like Sanji's Gear 4. He will develop his "base form", but if the opponent is too strong he will use the Raid Suit.
 
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