Obviously Jiraya couldn't handle entire Akatsuki, but i think it may have been specifically made for just Itachi/Kisame. With that it's hard to believe i agree with that and Kishi certainly had sannin very high preskip, but overall i still think the hype was more Jiraya related because it continued post-kip through Kakashi's statements(who thought Akatsuki didn't want to capture Naruto because Jiraya was with him), Akatsuki leader's praise of Jiraya having a chance to beat him with knowledge, although circumstancial.
I view the Jiraya/Orochimaru thing a little similar to the Naruto/Sasuke or Hashirama/Madara thing in that they wanted to save a friend without killing them. Hashirama in all his battles against Madara never tried to kill him until the final one where he was resolved to kill him, but until then he always wanted to convince him to follow his path, in a similar sense that Jiraya wanted Orochimaru to abandon his evil path and come back to Konoha, but never managed to, but Hashirama was a tier higher than Madara, so i don't think it was a simple power-level matter between Jiraya and Orochimaru imo.
With that said, they were comparable in base, the part1 fight showed as much. It's just that i don't think Jiraya ever went all out with summoning Pa/Ma, going into SM with the full intention of killing Orochimaru. He only did it once, when he felt a threat stronger than Hanzo existed(Pain), who could defeated the 3 sannin together in their youth, so clearly i think Jiraya wasn't in that position with Orochimaru, with SM imo being the thing that ultimately placed Jiraya a tier higher than Orochimaru, or at least individually, since in a sense, Orochimaru could still overall being annoying to fight with his kinjutsu/edo tensei
But individually yeah, with Jiraya said so himself while fighting Pain that SM placed him higher than his sannin counter-parts
With him obtaining a mode Orochimaru's body couldn't handle
I also think it's not a coincidence it's the same Itachi who was trying to avoid a confrontation with Jiraya, when knowing how knowledgeable he is, was startled the moment Kabuto mentioned Sage Mode
And even featwise, Jiraya actually has good arsenal to counter Itachi's techniques
> Amphibian technique countering genjutsu
> Sage Sensing to evade any immediate attacks
> Yomi Numa or his toad traps to bind Itachi from underground regardless of Susanoo
> Sound techniques and powerful genjutsu that also counter Susanoo
All that with his large scale Rasengan, katon+oil attacks as finishers
I view the Jiraya/Orochimaru thing a little similar to the Naruto/Sasuke or Hashirama/Madara thing in that they wanted to save a friend without killing them. Hashirama in all his battles against Madara never tried to kill him until the final one where he was resolved to kill him, but until then he always wanted to convince him to follow his path, in a similar sense that Jiraya wanted Orochimaru to abandon his evil path and come back to Konoha, but never managed to, but Hashirama was a tier higher than Madara, so i don't think it was a simple power-level matter between Jiraya and Orochimaru imo.
With that said, they were comparable in base, the part1 fight showed as much. It's just that i don't think Jiraya ever went all out with summoning Pa/Ma, going into SM with the full intention of killing Orochimaru. He only did it once, when he felt a threat stronger than Hanzo existed(Pain), who could defeated the 3 sannin together in their youth, so clearly i think Jiraya wasn't in that position with Orochimaru, with SM imo being the thing that ultimately placed Jiraya a tier higher than Orochimaru, or at least individually, since in a sense, Orochimaru could still overall being annoying to fight with his kinjutsu/edo tensei
But individually yeah, with Jiraya said so himself while fighting Pain that SM placed him higher than his sannin counter-parts
With him obtaining a mode Orochimaru's body couldn't handle
I also think it's not a coincidence it's the same Itachi who was trying to avoid a confrontation with Jiraya, when knowing how knowledgeable he is, was startled the moment Kabuto mentioned Sage Mode
And even featwise, Jiraya actually has good arsenal to counter Itachi's techniques
> Amphibian technique countering genjutsu
> Sage Sensing to evade any immediate attacks
> Yomi Numa or his toad traps to bind Itachi from underground regardless of Susanoo
> Sound techniques and powerful genjutsu that also counter Susanoo
All that with his large scale Rasengan, katon+oil attacks as finishers
I'm just here defending one of the strongest Naruto characters from typical downplay.
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Tsukuyomi GG.
I like Hidan but he ain’t much without Kakuzu.
