Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1019 Spoilers Discussion

[anon]

And no one argues against it. It's just people are arguing that ONLY Luffy can defeat the Big Bad.

doesn't the hody fight actually defeats your point? like zoro could have defeated him but oda made luffy do it

 

[mrtsrdr]

so read again

Dude , just you are saying zkk will happen. How? No answer why no reference . Just belief . I'm respect. But calm down.d

 

[Cross_Marian]

It's sad that to this day we still have to tell Zoro fans that Kaido is Luffy's opponent even though Zoro himself agreed to it.
Not much Zoro can do against him anyways.

 

[Salah WG]

Monsters is getting Aural/Audial Story (Source @ScotchInformer)
Seems like they really wanna remind us why ZKK is definitely gonna happen

 

[mrtsrdr]

still the one who made two yonkou scared, could have killed the WSC at chapter 1002, and who stopped and tanked hakai is Zoro. So yes it's good to have lots of new toys but at the end, it's usefull ? The one who made a permanent scar is still Zoro

We prefer to use : zoro with enma.

 

[MugiwaraMaster]

Nooooooo! Why did the best Gifter have to be defeated?

 

[Courier]

King vs Zoro is the last interesting thing in this arc

King vs Raid Suit Zoro . So Zoro can fly .

Base Sanji defeat queen high diff .

 

[Cross_Marian]

We prefer to use : zoro with enma.

We prefer to use : Luffy with destiny on his side

 

[zzShinichi]

Axe hand morgan isn't a "main villain". Re-read chapter 6 again.
Luffy was beating the shit out of him while smiling and laughing, they had no real narrative conflict, then Luffy's thrashing of him was interrupted with a hostage scenario with Helmeppo/Coby, so Luffy trusted his back to Zoro.

You are posting in disgustingly bad faith if you want to claim Axe Hand Morgan is on the narrative weight of someone who is directly in Luffy's way and who Luffy has said for 400 chapters he will beat.
Seriously get some fucking honesty.

Then who's the main villian of that arc? Helmeppo?

 

[Cross_Marian]

Nooooooo! Why did the best Gifter have to be defeated?

Blacktooth is long gone....

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

This did not address what I asked.

I did not ask you to tell me why you think this and that are or are not « symbolism and foreshadowing », I asked you to tell me, based on the Zoro fans argument, where they shown that they have an issue with « symbolism and foreshadowing ».

Because it is where you attacked us, so please do show where the Zoro fans have an issue with « symbolism and foreshadowing » especially after the Enma stuff ? (that you purposely did not adress)

What about Enma? Because Oden failed to kill Kaido with it, that means Zoro will succeed? Oden had two swords, and failed with both of them. Oh, but wait, the Ame no Hibikari is meant to kill Orochi, because reasons, while Enma is meant to kill Kaido. Whose going to kill Orochi then? Ah, that's right, Hiyori, with Momonosukes sword.

So Zoro kills Kaido with Hiyoris sword, and Hiyori kills Orochi with Momos sword.

But what about Zoro stating he's going to get revenge for Yasuie because of what Orochi did to him? Ah, that's right, Kaido is the real threat, so Zoro killing Kaido means he got revenge for Yasuie from being killed by Orochi.

This is your guy's "foreshadowing". Just a convoluted cluster, that twists and bends to suit your narrative.

So excuse me for not addressing point about people not buying into what you guys consider foreshadowing.

 

[Aknolagon]

We prefer to use : zoro with enma.

unfortunately Ashura can be used only by 9 swords or let's say 3 + illusions, so i don't think sandai and wado were on leaves during that attack, or maybe ?

 

[Roronoa-sama]

We prefer to use : zoro with enma.

ashura

 

[CbShadow]

To call 3 chapters an "arc" is delusional by todays standards, also Axe hand Morgan was directly responsible for Zoro's execution and this was a moment designed to showcase Zoro and Luffy fighting together for the first time. Suck on some copium.

Zoro ended up needing rescuing in fishman island, and didn't fight Hody's final form anyway. Hody wasn't considered even a high diff fight for Luffy even with negative circumstances. Kaido on the other hand is extreme diff requiring Luffy to overcome limitations, Zoro isn't even at 1.5 billion man level.

Kaido has been the big bad for 400 chapters with Luffy declaring he would be the one to take him down and being in direct competition with Luffy for the title of PK. Luffy is the fifth emperor, not Zoro.

Zoro not rescuing because he ran out of oxygen underater not because he was defeated. He beat Hody.

Zoro is not on Luffy's level then why did Zoro spend most of the rooftop rescuing protecting Luffy and out performed Luffy.

Kaido is Hody. He's completely different creature altogether. He is a creature that must be killed to be stopped. Luffy doesn't have the power or ability to kill him. Luffy could claim he's going to beat Kaido a thousand times and he might but if he doesn't have the power to kill Kaido he will continue to return. The only person that does is Zoro.

 

[zzShinichi]

doesn't the hody fight actually defeats your point? like zoro could have defeated him but oda made luffy do it

It's still a defeat. I don't care who got the last hit. Zoro still defeated Hordy in the same arc.
Anyways I'm not even thinking that Zoro is gonna defeat Kaidou. It's always gonna be Luffy. But some people act like after Kaidou is "defeated", then it's Arc over, nothing more to do "ahem Thriller Bark", that Zoro can't outshine Luffy in the same arc *ahem Thriller Bark again"

 

[anon]

come on guys..dont drop to the point of drawing parallels from zoro vs morgan ffs

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

This is one of the longest spoiler threads now. What are people even talking about? Barely anything happened in the chapter

 

[WesMidnight]

Dont recall any main villain fighting his son 1v1 in 1000 chapters, once again you only jump in to trashtalk Zoro like a rat.

Yamato is a Wiper/Kyros reskin living under the thumb of the big bad.
The way One Piece works -> Luffy finishes the important arc bosses.
Zoro didn't finish Hody (and he wasn't in his final form, and he wasn't difficult to beat in terms of strength anyway), and Morgan isn't important with Luffy holding no real animus against him.

If you continue to post in bad faith about this point, then I'll just have to laugh at you, because you would have to be allergic to reason or honor.

400 chapters of direct buildup, and one of three direct antagonists to Luffy's dream of becoming PK aren't getting overshadowed by your headcanon, believe it or not.

 

[CbShadow]

We prefer to use : zoro with enma.

Yes, the sword that uses Zoro's haki and can't do a damn thing on his own. You put the sword down and it won't move on its own.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

zoro with enma.

@mrtsrdr Do we also say “Oden with Enma”