General & Others Boa Hancock's fate
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There are countless ways to capture Boa without having Koby 1v1 her, dunno what you guys are making such a fuss about?
I'm definitely of the opinion that Koby is stronger than all females on that island, except Boa and that means something.
- Koby + Vegapunks weapon could pull it off.
- An Admiral could come.
- The Marines threaten Boa to nuke her island and she gives herself up.
I'm definitely of the opinion that Koby is stronger than all females on that island, except Boa and that means something.
That's as dumb a take as there is.
Koby won't reach his goal (being an admiral) when the manga ends and it's as obvious as it gets. He simply started far too weak for that (heck, he was still absolute fodder around chapter 600) and the asspulls required for it to happen that fast would be way too big.
He will become an admiral in the future, but as of right now he would get no-diffed by a YC.
Koby won't reach his goal (being an admiral) when the manga ends and it's as obvious as it gets. He simply started far too weak for that (heck, he was still absolute fodder around chapter 600) and the asspulls required for it to happen that fast would be way too big.
He will become an admiral in the future, but as of right now he would get no-diffed by a YC.
Yeah Coby not gonna be the reason she's defeated lol He might show out vs her sisters tho.
Fuji + SSG + Coby + fleet of ships might can probably beat Amazon Lily. Kinda torn. Dont want to have Hancock captured but you cant abolish the shichibukai system and have no shichi's taken into custody. And Boa has the deepest plot connection to Luffy and they Celestials so hate it got be her.
Hoping Coby can finesse this into a VA promotion cuz if that scrub Maynard is a VA get my boy Coby some stripes!!
Fuji + SSG + Coby + fleet of ships might can probably beat Amazon Lily. Kinda torn. Dont want to have Hancock captured but you cant abolish the shichibukai system and have no shichi's taken into custody. And Boa has the deepest plot connection to Luffy and they Celestials so hate it got be her.
Hoping Coby can finesse this into a VA promotion cuz if that scrub Maynard is a VA get my boy Coby some stripes!!
I think both Coby & Hancock come to Wano. Sword has allied itself with the alliance, so makes sense for Coby to show up on Wano. One admires, Luffy & the other is head over heels for him, so I think Boa and Coby will get along just fine. Oda is making both meet I think in order to take Boa to Wano. Putting aside, the notion of Coby beating Boa (I think she's a bit too strong for him), it would be incredibly cruel of Oda to have Boa captured by the WG again given what she's been through with them in the past imo. Lastly, if Oda wants to give Coby feats to have him make strides for his dream, he doesn't necessarily have to have Coby take out Boa to do so given Wano is a gold mine for feats atm. Feats of which are a lot more reasonable than Coby taking out a yonkou commander caliber character like Boa.
pre-skip Luffy was able to beat both of Hancock's strongest fighters, without even knowing how to use haki.
Post-skip Coby does have strong haki as well as mastery over Rokushiki. The only person in the island he might not be able to beat 1v1 is Hancock herself, but it's not like a military invasion requires him to fight fairly.
Like the military has advanced tech while the Kuja basically fight with bow and arrows. They are fucked.
I don't think it makes sense for Oda to have Fujitora take out Hancock
Coby hasn't done a damn thing in the manga despite being one of the most important characters(he is a future admiral).
So you are telling me that the first time Coby shows up, Fujitora will be the one who takes his victory? Bullshit. Are you saying that the marines are going to send fujitora to deal with Coby when you have the marines also attacking fucking Mihawk?
Fujitora isn't needed for Hancock. She isn't as strong as you guys think she is and coby isn't as weak as you guys think he is.
maybe coby won't win 1v1 but he deserves to win nonetheless.
Y'all act like power levels are everything, they're not.
Unless we are talking about people who are literal inhuman monsters like Kaido or BM, even someone like Hancock can be shot by a gun. And as seen in WCI with Sanji in cacao island, its not impossible for low level characters to mob high level characters and do serious damage to them.
Post-skip Coby does have strong haki as well as mastery over Rokushiki. The only person in the island he might not be able to beat 1v1 is Hancock herself, but it's not like a military invasion requires him to fight fairly.
Like the military has advanced tech while the Kuja basically fight with bow and arrows. They are fucked.
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I don't think it makes sense for Oda to have Fujitora take out Hancock
Coby hasn't done a damn thing in the manga despite being one of the most important characters(he is a future admiral).
So you are telling me that the first time Coby shows up, Fujitora will be the one who takes his victory? Bullshit. Are you saying that the marines are going to send fujitora to deal with Coby when you have the marines also attacking fucking Mihawk?
Fujitora isn't needed for Hancock. She isn't as strong as you guys think she is and coby isn't as weak as you guys think he is.
maybe coby won't win 1v1 but he deserves to win nonetheless.
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Y'all act like power levels are everything, they're not.
Unless we are talking about people who are literal inhuman monsters like Kaido or BM, even someone like Hancock can be shot by a gun. And as seen in WCI with Sanji in cacao island, its not impossible for low level characters to mob high level characters and do serious damage to them.
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Obviously, it’s Oda’s story and he can do as he pleases, but there is simply no way to justify Koby bringing down Hancock at this point. The former, for all his training and considerable potential, is WAY less powerful than his rank implies, and this is easily demonstrable in Marineford and what little we’ve seen of him since then; the latter is a former Shichibukai with a pretty stellar Devil Fruit, an entire nation of strong female warriors behind her, and the backing of the future Pirate King...there’s just no rational powerscaling that can explain Koby jumping the serious gap between them, full stop.
Koby is not idiot enough to fight Boa Hancock in 1 v 1, or even fight with her without learning about her DF powers, Momongo already knows her powers, so he should've informed them, perhaps Momonga is with them so that's how they are going to capture her.
Momonga + Koby vs. Hancock would be a good fight imo.
Also I don't see why people think Hancock is YC3 level. All she did was one-shotting a Pacifista (Like Post-TS Sanji and Post-TS Zoro did) and beating Pre-TS Smoker. Any YC4-5 can replicate her feats with ease.
Momonga + Koby vs. Hancock would be a good fight imo.
Also I don't see why people think Hancock is YC3 level. All she did was one-shotting a Pacifista (Like Post-TS Sanji and Post-TS Zoro did) and beating Pre-TS Smoker. Any YC4-5 can replicate her feats with ease.
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From the setup & what's been said of recent I think we can conclude she's either:
1.) Heading to Wano (with Coby, who will teamup with Drake & Co against Kaido)
2.) Captured by way of the new vegapunk tech or other means
3.) On the run (not to Wano) though i think this is the least likely & it's 1 of the 2 previously mentioned
I think the 1st makes more sense as it would allow Coby & Hancock to accumulate decent feats. Oda tends not to let a character be captured or die without allowing the reader to gauge where they stand in the scale of things feat wise (Ace's fights with Jinbei & Blackbeard, Pedros performance against Tamago & Perospero, Whitebeard etc.)
I think having her display her strength in Wano & then get captured to entice Luffy to act against the gov would be a win win, as we would at least know roughly where she stands strength wise, & how much resources the government has at their disposal..
I think if she is captured it will more likely than not be down to the new vegapunk tech, & we know she'll defo be returned to the Celestials if she is caught.
Sidenote:merry Christmas everyone! Not sure where in the world you all are, but it's not long away over here haha
1.) Heading to Wano (with Coby, who will teamup with Drake & Co against Kaido)
2.) Captured by way of the new vegapunk tech or other means
3.) On the run (not to Wano) though i think this is the least likely & it's 1 of the 2 previously mentioned
I think the 1st makes more sense as it would allow Coby & Hancock to accumulate decent feats. Oda tends not to let a character be captured or die without allowing the reader to gauge where they stand in the scale of things feat wise (Ace's fights with Jinbei & Blackbeard, Pedros performance against Tamago & Perospero, Whitebeard etc.)
I think having her display her strength in Wano & then get captured to entice Luffy to act against the gov would be a win win, as we would at least know roughly where she stands strength wise, & how much resources the government has at their disposal..
I think if she is captured it will more likely than not be down to the new vegapunk tech, & we know she'll defo be returned to the Celestials if she is caught.
Sidenote:merry Christmas everyone! Not sure where in the world you all are, but it's not long away over here haha
What exactly have we seen of him since marineford?
being stronger than pre-skip Luffy, zoro, and sanji combined isn't that big of a deal.
Basically, all you need to do to be that strong is have an attack, even if it's your strongest attack, be on par with the jet pistol Luffy showed at the start of the timeskip.
to do that you basically need decent haki. Coby has an insane growth rate, one which could even be compared to Luffy's, given that he started out the series a complete non-fighter and ended the timeskip unlocking haki(something even Franky didn't do). With such a high growth rate, is it that hard for you to believe that he has decent haki after being trained for 2 years by Garp the fist?
Like people act as if Coby has been taking Ls throughout the post-timeskip like he's sanji or some shit, despite the fact that his first canon manga appearance was during reverie(like 60 chapters ago).
But I guess Coby "didn't show enough" during in the 2 chapters he's been in since marineford.
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being stronger than pre-skip Luffy, zoro, and sanji combined isn't that big of a deal.
Basically, all you need to do to be that strong is have an attack, even if it's your strongest attack, be on par with the jet pistol Luffy showed at the start of the timeskip.
to do that you basically need decent haki. Coby has an insane growth rate, one which could even be compared to Luffy's, given that he started out the series a complete non-fighter and ended the timeskip unlocking haki(something even Franky didn't do). With such a high growth rate, is it that hard for you to believe that he has decent haki after being trained for 2 years by Garp the fist?
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Like people act as if Coby has been taking Ls throughout the post-timeskip like he's sanji or some shit, despite the fact that his first canon manga appearance was during reverie(like 60 chapters ago).
But I guess Coby "didn't show enough" during in the 2 chapters he's been in since marineford.
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Good question, what HAVE we SEEN him do? Nothing at all, right? We’ve HEARD of his greatness (Rocky Port, being involved with SWORD), but we’ve only seen him defeat some fodder en route to Reverie. Don’t get me wrong, I like Koby as a character and see him being very powerful by EOS, but I just don’t see him beating Hancock right now, singlehandedly or otherwise.
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I don’t get this...so despite the fact that he has the highest growth rate in the entire manga and has jumped in ranks since we last saw him during the Reverie, and is one of those characters whom the plot demands to get stronger, you think its somehow impossible for him to give someone like Hancock problems at this stage?
Your perception of Coby isn’t changing what the narrative is going to dictate. If Oda wants to have Coby be the one solely responsible for beating Hancock and use it as a boost for him to get closer to his goal, then it will happen.
I don’t get why people have an issue with this, just because Coby got one shotted in Marineford means nothing at this stage when again we are dealing with the character who by FAR has the highest growth rate in the verse - thats not even debatable.
Your perception of Coby isn’t changing what the narrative is going to dictate. If Oda wants to have Coby be the one solely responsible for beating Hancock and use it as a boost for him to get closer to his goal, then it will happen.
I don’t get why people have an issue with this, just because Coby got one shotted in Marineford means nothing at this stage when again we are dealing with the character who by FAR has the highest growth rate in the verse - thats not even debatable.
He does, from being pudding to reaching around pre-TS Luffy, which is a huge jump, but as always, the lower you are, the higher you progress at first.
Does the story demand him to get that strong yet? It doesn´t.
That applies to everything in the story and is no answer. If Oda wants that, it will happen, and people will judge it accordingly.
Just like Strawhats stopping Big Mom did happen, and people judged it accordingly.
Does the story demand him to get that strong yet? It doesn´t.
That applies to everything in the story and is no answer. If Oda wants that, it will happen, and people will judge it accordingly.
Just like Strawhats stopping Big Mom did happen, and people judged it accordingly.
Dude, this guy already knew the Rokushiki techniques during Marineford and still got one-shotted by freakin base-Luffy.
He learned to use haki to some extent, fine, but we've seen that even FAR stronger and more talented characters like Luffy didn't come close to mastering it over two years.
Coby's growth is really respectable, but you guys need to use simple logic in this case.
Of course Oda can do whatever he wants, but thankfully he's not a bad writer that comes up with absurd asspulls like it is suggested here. He put him below Vice-Admiral-Rank for a reason: It shows Coby's immense growth on the one hand, while also telling the readers that Coby still has a lot to learn (and is still far from high or top tiers).
As of right now, Coby would stand absolutely zero chance in a fight against an opponent of Hancock's (or Doflamingo's etc.) calibre.
That's not an opinion, that's basic logic, unless you want to suggest Oda is doing an asspull-show.
He learned to use haki to some extent, fine, but we've seen that even FAR stronger and more talented characters like Luffy didn't come close to mastering it over two years.
Coby's growth is really respectable, but you guys need to use simple logic in this case.
Of course Oda can do whatever he wants, but thankfully he's not a bad writer that comes up with absurd asspulls like it is suggested here. He put him below Vice-Admiral-Rank for a reason: It shows Coby's immense growth on the one hand, while also telling the readers that Coby still has a lot to learn (and is still far from high or top tiers).
As of right now, Coby would stand absolutely zero chance in a fight against an opponent of Hancock's (or Doflamingo's etc.) calibre.
That's not an opinion, that's basic logic, unless you want to suggest Oda is doing an asspull-show.