General & Others Boa Hancock's fate
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This is irrelevant, he’s since then obviously grown and has gotten stronger. There’s literally no point in mentioning this honestly.
Why is mastering it even a point of discussion here? When even someone like Doffy or a Cracker haven’t attained mastery? He has learned the basics and his CoO has been implied to be above average. This was all before his recent jump in the ranks.
He’s far from his goal of reaching Admiral, yes but I don’t know why some of yall are acting like Oda can’t use this as a momentous opportunity of growth for Coby by having him accomplish a feat which would make him VA especially since we are getting into the final stages of the story Post Wano, Coby should also be closer to his goal by this point.
It wouldn’t be an asspull if it happened for the very reasons I just stated: his growth and the demands of the narrative/plot. People would just be upset about it because of their preconceived notions and bias of Coby’s character. That’s all there is to it as far as I’m concerned.
And this is exactly what I mean by preconceived notions.
“Zero chance” means he doesn’t even stand a fighting chance.. lmao why did Akainu even bother to entrust him with a mission as important as capturing a former Warlord if he has zero chances of giving her a run for her money and you sitting there tryna tell me about whats logical and not.
Edit: Btw I’m not saying I think Coby can defeat Hancock, I’m saying if it happened, there’s no reason to see it as an asspull of any kind.
Why is mastering it even a point of discussion here? When even someone like Doffy or a Cracker haven’t attained mastery? He has learned the basics and his CoO has been implied to be above average. This was all before his recent jump in the ranks.
He’s far from his goal of reaching Admiral, yes but I don’t know why some of yall are acting like Oda can’t use this as a momentous opportunity of growth for Coby by having him accomplish a feat which would make him VA especially since we are getting into the final stages of the story Post Wano, Coby should also be closer to his goal by this point.
It wouldn’t be an asspull if it happened for the very reasons I just stated: his growth and the demands of the narrative/plot. People would just be upset about it because of their preconceived notions and bias of Coby’s character. That’s all there is to it as far as I’m concerned.
And this is exactly what I mean by preconceived notions.
“Zero chance” means he doesn’t even stand a fighting chance.. lmao why did Akainu even bother to entrust him with a mission as important as capturing a former Warlord if he has zero chances of giving her a run for her money and you sitting there tryna tell me about whats logical and not.
Edit: Btw I’m not saying I think Coby can defeat Hancock, I’m saying if it happened, there’s no reason to see it as an asspull of any kind.
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This is irrelevant, he’s since then obviously grown and has gotten stronger. There’s literally no point in mentioning this honestly.
Why is mastering it even a point of discussion here? When even someone like Doffy or a Cracker haven’t attained mastery? He has learned the basics and his CoO has been implied to be above average. This was all before his recent jump in the ranks.
He’s far from his goal of reaching Admiral, yes but I don’t know why some of yall are acting like Oda can’t use this as a momentous opportunity of growth for Coby by having him accomplish a feat which would make him VA especially since we are getting into the final stages of the story Post Wano, Coby should also be closer to his goal by this point.
It wouldn’t be an asspull if it happened for the very reasons I just stated: his growth and the demands of the narrative/plot. People would just be upset about it because of their preconceived notions and bias of Coby’s character. That’s all there is to it as far as I’m concerned.
And this is exactly what I mean by preconceived notions.
“Zero chance” means he doesn’t even stand a fighting chance.. lmao why did Akainu even bother to entrust him with a mission as important as capturing a former Warlord if he has zero chances of giving her a run for her money and you sitting there tryna tell me about whats logical and not.
Why is mastering it even a point of discussion here? When even someone like Doffy or a Cracker haven’t attained mastery? He has learned the basics and his CoO has been implied to be above average. This was all before his recent jump in the ranks.
He’s far from his goal of reaching Admiral, yes but I don’t know why some of yall are acting like Oda can’t use this as a momentous opportunity of growth for Coby by having him accomplish a feat which would make him VA especially since we are getting into the final stages of the story Post Wano, Coby should also be closer to his goal by this point.
It wouldn’t be an asspull if it happened for the very reasons I just stated: his growth and the demands of the narrative/plot. People would just be upset about it because of their preconceived notions and bias of Coby’s character. That’s all there is to it as far as I’m concerned.
And this is exactly what I mean by preconceived notions.
“Zero chance” means he doesn’t even stand a fighting chance.. lmao why did Akainu even bother to entrust him with a mission as important as capturing a former Warlord if he has zero chances of giving her a run for her money and you sitting there tryna tell me about whats logical and not.
Koby hasn't grown as much as you think. But obviously you will stay firm in your view and I will stay firm in my view. So, let's do a bet instead. If Koby captures Hancock I will change my avy and Sig for 2 weeks as per your demand, if he doesn't capture Hancock, you will do the same. Koby can have his fleet, but he can't have somebody superior to him for assistance.
This is irrelevant, he’s since then obviously grown and has gotten stronger. There’s literally no point in mentioning this honestly.
Why is mastering it even a point of discussion here? When even someone like Doffy or a Cracker haven’t attained mastery? He has learned the basics and his CoO has been implied to be above average. This was all before his recent jump in the ranks.
He’s far from his goal of reaching Admiral, yes but I don’t know why some of yall are acting like Oda can’t use this as a momentous opportunity of growth for Coby by having him accomplish a feat which would make him VA especially since we are getting into the final stages of the story Post Wano, Coby should also be closer to his goal by this point.
It wouldn’t be an asspull if it happened for the very reasons I just stated: his growth and the demands of the narrative/plot. People would just be upset about it because of their preconceived notions and bias of Coby’s character. That’s all there is to it as far as I’m concerned.
And this is exactly what I mean by preconceived notions.
“Zero chance” means he doesn’t even stand a fighting chance.. lmao why did Akainu even bother to entrust him with a mission as important as capturing a former Warlord if he has zero chances of giving her a run for her money and you sitting there tryna tell me about whats logical and not.
Edit: Btw I’m not saying I think Coby can defeat Hancock, I’m saying if it happened, there’s no reason to see it as an asspull of any kind.
Why is mastering it even a point of discussion here? When even someone like Doffy or a Cracker haven’t attained mastery? He has learned the basics and his CoO has been implied to be above average. This was all before his recent jump in the ranks.
He’s far from his goal of reaching Admiral, yes but I don’t know why some of yall are acting like Oda can’t use this as a momentous opportunity of growth for Coby by having him accomplish a feat which would make him VA especially since we are getting into the final stages of the story Post Wano, Coby should also be closer to his goal by this point.
It wouldn’t be an asspull if it happened for the very reasons I just stated: his growth and the demands of the narrative/plot. People would just be upset about it because of their preconceived notions and bias of Coby’s character. That’s all there is to it as far as I’m concerned.
And this is exactly what I mean by preconceived notions.
“Zero chance” means he doesn’t even stand a fighting chance.. lmao why did Akainu even bother to entrust him with a mission as important as capturing a former Warlord if he has zero chances of giving her a run for her money and you sitting there tryna tell me about whats logical and not.
Edit: Btw I’m not saying I think Coby can defeat Hancock, I’m saying if it happened, there’s no reason to see it as an asspull of any kind.
There is literally nothing that implies this. He's one of the guys being sent there, but that's it.
Given the fact that we also saw Fujitora sailing in the Calm Belt, it's a much better guess that he actually leads the charge. Especially since Coby is simply too low in rank alone, to lead such an important mission. They always send at least one VA if they have something important going on, doesn't matter how strong one thinks Coby is or isn't.
And I still stand by my point: Him being able to defeat Hancock in a fight (which thankfully Oda won't write this way) would be a massive, massive asspull. It's one thing to depict a really fast - but somewhat realistic - growth rate, it's another thing to go full Fairy Tale.
So much this. Really don't get how some can come up with such nonsense predictions.
Coby was absolute fodder pre-skip and now he suddenly should be able to compete with guys on the level of Hancock or Doflamingo?
Bullshit.
Even Luffy, who is a way more naturally gifted fighter and who already was in a completely different league pre-skip, needed everything he got to defeat a guy with the haki of Doflamingo post-skip.
If anything Coby's ceiling right now is around VA Maynard level. Competent in haki and rokushiki, but we all know how that VA got clobbered by Barto.
That's not even a knock on Coby in the slightest. His growth has been immense, but some of you guys need to stay realistic.
Coby was absolute fodder pre-skip and now he suddenly should be able to compete with guys on the level of Hancock or Doflamingo?
Bullshit.
Even Luffy, who is a way more naturally gifted fighter and who already was in a completely different league pre-skip, needed everything he got to defeat a guy with the haki of Doflamingo post-skip.
If anything Coby's ceiling right now is around VA Maynard level. Competent in haki and rokushiki, but we all know how that VA got clobbered by Barto.
That's not even a knock on Coby in the slightest. His growth has been immense, but some of you guys need to stay realistic.
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Youd on’t know that though. That if those foot soldiers are being accompanied by Admirals or VAs, it’d actually be very baseless to assume that only fodder have been sent to the two strongest Warlords when even Doflamingo’s resignation would bring about an Admiral coming for his head. So Coby was picked and entrusted for a reason.
When the mans be jumping ranks in a matter of days I’m inclined to think he has grown alot to the point where he could give Hancock problems and Oda could use her capture as a turning moment for Coby’s character. I don’t see why its hard to see the possibility in this tbh.
Here’s the thing, I think Coby did get assistance either through the new SSG shit or some other way. All I was saying is that I don’t get where the issue lies if Coby was the main guy responsible for her defeat.
Its very possible he isn’t leading the charge on Amazon Lily, that wasn’t my point at all and I was responding to MD Zolo about how Coby is just a weakling and can’t defeat Hancock.
I wasn’t refering to where he began his training dog lol, I was refering to him getting one shotted by Luffy and how irrelevant it is to the current matter at hand. This was pretty clear in my post lmao.
I’ve also noticed that you been pairing these two as if its Oda’s word when in reality where exactly Hancock stands is unknown.
When the mans be jumping ranks in a matter of days I’m inclined to think he has grown alot to the point where he could give Hancock problems and Oda could use her capture as a turning moment for Coby’s character. I don’t see why its hard to see the possibility in this tbh.
Here’s the thing, I think Coby did get assistance either through the new SSG shit or some other way. All I was saying is that I don’t get where the issue lies if Coby was the main guy responsible for her defeat.
Its very possible he isn’t leading the charge on Amazon Lily, that wasn’t my point at all and I was responding to MD Zolo about how Coby is just a weakling and can’t defeat Hancock.
I wasn’t refering to where he began his training dog lol, I was refering to him getting one shotted by Luffy and how irrelevant it is to the current matter at hand. This was pretty clear in my post lmao.
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I’ve also noticed that you been pairing these two as if its Oda’s word when in reality where exactly Hancock stands is unknown.
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Which is the same thing, because it describes where he started.
Unless you claim that coby has had twice the growth than Luffy and Zoro, despite both getting their training firsthand from best in their fields while Garp still is an active Marine, meaning he was not even directly there all the time, you simply have to drop these statements.
Unless you claim that coby has had twice the growth than Luffy and Zoro, despite both getting their training firsthand from best in their fields while Garp still is an active Marine, meaning he was not even directly there all the time, you simply have to drop these statements.
I suspected Hancock might get captured since the beginning. She has too much background with the Celestial Dragons for Oda to have missed this opportunity
But it's not necessarily a play on Coby or at least not alone. The last time we saw Fujitora, his ships were assaulted by sea kings, sea kings which are majoritarily seen in calm belt
Amazon lily is one of the few islands located in Calm Belt
So Fujitora might have attempted to reach Amazon lily at this point
But then again, it can also appear that seaking can be located somewhere else(remember the first sea king we saw was appearing in East Blue), but it's still important to note regardless
And ability-wise, considering Fujitora is blind, it makes Hancock's primarily hax ability useless and his gravity is ideal to capture people
On the other side, Oda did decide to focus on Coby for some reasons, and he is bound to become an admiral, on his way to prove himself further, so i assume, he might also play a role in something or at least get some kind of credit into this
Maybe though Oda just wanted to create an affinity between Hancock and Coby through this at one point
But it's not necessarily a play on Coby or at least not alone. The last time we saw Fujitora, his ships were assaulted by sea kings, sea kings which are majoritarily seen in calm belt
Amazon lily is one of the few islands located in Calm Belt
So Fujitora might have attempted to reach Amazon lily at this point
But then again, it can also appear that seaking can be located somewhere else(remember the first sea king we saw was appearing in East Blue), but it's still important to note regardless
And ability-wise, considering Fujitora is blind, it makes Hancock's primarily hax ability useless and his gravity is ideal to capture people
On the other side, Oda did decide to focus on Coby for some reasons, and he is bound to become an admiral, on his way to prove himself further, so i assume, he might also play a role in something or at least get some kind of credit into this
Maybe though Oda just wanted to create an affinity between Hancock and Coby through this at one point
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Coby has spent more time under Garp than Luffy and Zoro have under Rayleigh and Mihawk. Also why should it come as a surprise that Coby has insane growth rate? He went from being one shotted by pretimeskip Luffy to learning the basics of haki and becoming a HQ rear Admiral....I don’t think you even understand how big of a gap that is to begin with and its perfectly in line with what we’ve seen with him before.
Coby will become an Admiral when it is all said and done, I don’t see how its crazy to think that he can give Hancock a run for her money at this point in the story when Post Wano we will be entering the final stages, it would be actually worse for Oda to give him the mother of boosts during those final arcs and have him reach his goal that way instead of having reasonable milestones prior.
Hasn’t it already been explained that Marines pass through the calm belt and Sea Kings aint give two shits? According to these panels: 1, 2
So there’s no reason why the Sea Kings should be rampaging like that, only explanation would be the ships that Fuji’s fleets are sailing on don’t have sea prism stone.
Coby will become an Admiral when it is all said and done, I don’t see how its crazy to think that he can give Hancock a run for her money at this point in the story when Post Wano we will be entering the final stages, it would be actually worse for Oda to give him the mother of boosts during those final arcs and have him reach his goal that way instead of having reasonable milestones prior.
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Hasn’t it already been explained that Marines pass through the calm belt and Sea Kings aint give two shits? According to these panels: 1, 2
So there’s no reason why the Sea Kings should be rampaging like that, only explanation would be the ships that Fuji’s fleets are sailing on don’t have sea prism stone.
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He hasnt, he was a few months under him pre-ts and then over the ts, which like i said, is hinderee by garp being an active Marine still, so having responsibilities.
Its a big jump, whixh does not change that your argument is incredibly flawed.
Its the equivalent of "look this completely poor guy made a significant amount of money (50000 for example), of course he can also be a millionaire now, one is significantly higher to achieve than the other.
Its a big jump, whixh does not change that your argument is incredibly flawed.
Its the equivalent of "look this completely poor guy made a significant amount of money (50000 for example), of course he can also be a millionaire now, one is significantly higher to achieve than the other.
Now we see the second massively flawed assumption from you: Thinking that Coby will be an admiral at the end of the series.
He won't be even close to that level.
Coby will be a mid-level VA at best when this series ends (like Bastille). Certainly not something more.
Him being a potential admiral is years down the future.
Like I said: He's around VA Maynard level at best at the moment (actually quite generous, since he isn't even VA yet and just got prometed because of political reasons). Zero shots at posing a big challenge to Hancock.
He won't be even close to that level.
Coby will be a mid-level VA at best when this series ends (like Bastille). Certainly not something more.
Him being a potential admiral is years down the future.
Like I said: He's around VA Maynard level at best at the moment (actually quite generous, since he isn't even VA yet and just got prometed because of political reasons). Zero shots at posing a big challenge to Hancock.
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And btw, the statement "Coby with assist by SSG/Vegapunk´s invention" makes it seem like Coby is the essential part, since he is "only" assisted by the invention or unit, pretty much disregarding the fact that it is or they are such a game changer that the WG pretty much oked the dissolution of the Shichibukai, a group they held onto due to the balance despite their significant past and even present crimes, and a group that pretty much equals one Yonkou crew with Mihawk being a full fledged top tier and having several high tiers.
So such a power, yeah of course Coby could manage if he had that as "assist".
So such a power, yeah of course Coby could manage if he had that as "assist".
I'm literally explained to you my logic
Coby has shown a higher growth rate than fucking Sanji. He started out the series weaker than fodder and by the timeskip he had already unlocked haki, which sanji hadn't.
With that high of a growth rate, his haki out of the timeskip should have been on par with that of the m3. The only thing that disproves this is his rank, but I don't think that means much since 1) rank also has a lot to do with experience. You'd want a more experienced guy as Vice admiral even if he is weaker. 2) he is part of a super secret marine task force indicating that despite only being rear admiral he is still an elite marine.
But regardless, it is entirely feasible for coby to be at least on par with dressrosa sanji. Not strong enough to 1v1 Hancock, but strong enough to beat her in a tag team with helmeppo and vegapunk's new weapons.
it can't be the calm belt because in the calm belt there is no wind so the sails wouldn't be up.
plus this page happened after that fleet of ships was shown on Amazon lily so unless this page happened before the events of last chapter, he's likely doing something else.
Coby has shown a higher growth rate than fucking Sanji. He started out the series weaker than fodder and by the timeskip he had already unlocked haki, which sanji hadn't.
With that high of a growth rate, his haki out of the timeskip should have been on par with that of the m3. The only thing that disproves this is his rank, but I don't think that means much since 1) rank also has a lot to do with experience. You'd want a more experienced guy as Vice admiral even if he is weaker. 2) he is part of a super secret marine task force indicating that despite only being rear admiral he is still an elite marine.
But regardless, it is entirely feasible for coby to be at least on par with dressrosa sanji. Not strong enough to 1v1 Hancock, but strong enough to beat her in a tag team with helmeppo and vegapunk's new weapons.
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I suspected Hancock might get captured since the beginning. She has too much background with the Celestial Dragons for Oda to have missed this opportunity
But it's not necessarily a play on Coby or at least not alone. The last time we saw Fujitora, his ships were assaulted by sea kings, sea kings which are majoritarily seen in calm belt
Amazon lily is one of the few islands located in Calm Belt
So Fujitora might have attempted to reach Amazon lily at this point
But then again, it can also appear that seaking can be located somewhere else(remember the first sea king we saw was appearing in East Blue), but it's still important to note regardless
And ability-wise, considering Fujitora is blind, it makes Hancock's primarily hax ability useless and his gravity is ideal to capture people
On the other side, Oda did decide to focus on Coby for some reasons, and he is bound to become an admiral, on his way to prove himself further, so i assume, he might also play a role in something or at least get some kind of credit into this
Maybe though Oda just wanted to create an affinity between Hancock and Coby through this at one point
But it's not necessarily a play on Coby or at least not alone. The last time we saw Fujitora, his ships were assaulted by sea kings, sea kings which are majoritarily seen in calm belt
Amazon lily is one of the few islands located in Calm Belt
So Fujitora might have attempted to reach Amazon lily at this point
But then again, it can also appear that seaking can be located somewhere else(remember the first sea king we saw was appearing in East Blue), but it's still important to note regardless
And ability-wise, considering Fujitora is blind, it makes Hancock's primarily hax ability useless and his gravity is ideal to capture people
On the other side, Oda did decide to focus on Coby for some reasons, and he is bound to become an admiral, on his way to prove himself further, so i assume, he might also play a role in something or at least get some kind of credit into this
Maybe though Oda just wanted to create an affinity between Hancock and Coby through this at one point
plus this page happened after that fleet of ships was shown on Amazon lily so unless this page happened before the events of last chapter, he's likely doing something else.
I just said it's a possibility. That's why i added this
But yes you're right that in calm belt there is no wind. Momonga was also travelling with the sails down while on calm belt
Also the navy usually cross calm belt to reach grandline anyway, so may not mean that much
But i just felt it was important to note
But yes you're right that in calm belt there is no wind. Momonga was also travelling with the sails down while on calm belt
Also the navy usually cross calm belt to reach grandline anyway, so may not mean that much
But i just felt it was important to note
Power level aside, this would be chilling if it happened. Former slave Hancock, rose to become an empress, then returned back to her former masters in chains for them to torment again.
And Koby being a significant factor in it happening. It would definitely make Luffy view him as a legitimate enemy, if not want to kill him altogether.
And Koby being a significant factor in it happening. It would definitely make Luffy view him as a legitimate enemy, if not want to kill him altogether.