General & Others Boa Hancock's fate
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I think so.
They do generally, yes, but it is apparent he will grow a lot to the end minus epilogue, to expect him as high tier is not farfetched when he is already a mid tier now, at least thats how i see him.
And i expect Franky at the end to be somewhere around Kuma, so Coby would very well be a challenge.
They do generally, yes, but it is apparent he will grow a lot to the end minus epilogue, to expect him as high tier is not farfetched when he is already a mid tier now, at least thats how i see him.
And i expect Franky at the end to be somewhere around Kuma, so Coby would very well be a challenge.
A lot of this outcry is a product of Hancock being put on a pedestal she didn't prove to ever be on. I can understand Coby being an absolute non factor to someone like Doflamingo even in a group setting, but people acting like she's somehow solidified herself to be placed there. I mean it's possible but it's not a given.
This would be as much a test for Hancock and where she belongs, as it is for Coby.
Having said that in a 1v1 I don't believe Coby has any business against even a standard Vice Admiral who Hancock should be stronger than to say the least. In a group effort it's possible he's grown enough to play a role.
Fodder pre timeskip Luffy even before he gained gears, with the plot on his side was taking down Shichibukai. Hancock isn't untouchable for the narrative.
If Hancock indeed got captured, so much for her "badass" reaction to her being stripped of her Warlord status. I hope she had something planned because that would just make her look like a donkey.
This would be as much a test for Hancock and where she belongs, as it is for Coby.
Having said that in a 1v1 I don't believe Coby has any business against even a standard Vice Admiral who Hancock should be stronger than to say the least. In a group effort it's possible he's grown enough to play a role.
Fodder pre timeskip Luffy even before he gained gears, with the plot on his side was taking down Shichibukai. Hancock isn't untouchable for the narrative.
If Hancock indeed got captured, so much for her "badass" reaction to her being stripped of her Warlord status. I hope she had something planned because that would just make her look like a donkey.
Not really, she does not have to be on Doflamingo´s level to be far too much for Coby.
What we have seen is she is portrayed as superior to the average VA (Momonga, could even be higher tier VA), which were used as hype tool for several different characters, from Doflamingo, to Sabo, to Oars Jr.
And you add to that one of the deadliest abilities we have seen, which it is even without a possible Awakening, and all three Haki colors.
So the least you have to put is > average VA, which is not DD level since he joyfully toyed with two of them pre-TS, but still far superior than Coby, so that´s not the problem, the problem is both overestimating what Coby´s growth rate entails, and what his role within the story actually is.
So you literally deny your first proposition yourself, the problem is not Hancock overestimation, since the least level she is is > VA, which is already out of reach for Coby.
Yep, Shichibukai the "narrative" painfully made apparent that they were broken, in a manga in which spirit, determination and the strength to believe in yourself is put above anything else.
Hancock does not belong to that group, neither did DD. So to be reasonable within that narrative, Oda would need to incorporate her slavery past in some way, which on the other hand might have drastically reduced her capabilities 2 years ago, but after Luffy literally declaring how insignificant her past is, even that is probably not a problem anymore.
I think she will get captured, which in turn will be a demonstration of the newly acquired power the WG now holds due to Vegapunk, since like i said, as long as said new power does not eclipse the Shichibukai significantly, there is no way they would forsake the Shichibukai system, nevermind what the Reverie decides.
What we have seen is she is portrayed as superior to the average VA (Momonga, could even be higher tier VA), which were used as hype tool for several different characters, from Doflamingo, to Sabo, to Oars Jr.
And you add to that one of the deadliest abilities we have seen, which it is even without a possible Awakening, and all three Haki colors.
So the least you have to put is > average VA, which is not DD level since he joyfully toyed with two of them pre-TS, but still far superior than Coby, so that´s not the problem, the problem is both overestimating what Coby´s growth rate entails, and what his role within the story actually is.
So you literally deny your first proposition yourself, the problem is not Hancock overestimation, since the least level she is is > VA, which is already out of reach for Coby.
Yep, Shichibukai the "narrative" painfully made apparent that they were broken, in a manga in which spirit, determination and the strength to believe in yourself is put above anything else.
Hancock does not belong to that group, neither did DD. So to be reasonable within that narrative, Oda would need to incorporate her slavery past in some way, which on the other hand might have drastically reduced her capabilities 2 years ago, but after Luffy literally declaring how insignificant her past is, even that is probably not a problem anymore.
I think she will get captured, which in turn will be a demonstration of the newly acquired power the WG now holds due to Vegapunk, since like i said, as long as said new power does not eclipse the Shichibukai significantly, there is no way they would forsake the Shichibukai system, nevermind what the Reverie decides.
He would have to run away dying from laughter at the suggestion of EoS Coby being superior to him.
What many of you don't get: EoS is almost here and Coby just got his last promotion in the series due to political reasons. He's still below even VAs like Maynard. Coby will be an Admiral in the far future, he won't be a real factor EoS though.
What many of you don't get: EoS is almost here and Coby just got his last promotion in the series due to political reasons. He's still below even VAs like Maynard. Coby will be an Admiral in the far future, he won't be a real factor EoS though.
You kinda repeated almost exactly what you just replied to but came to a different conclusion.
Yes Coby is being overestimated, but regardless a 1v1 is not the real debate here. Can Coby play a role in her defeat? Absolutely, pre gears Luffy took down a Schibukai. It's time Coby adds something on his resume if Oda wants us as readers to take him seriously.
You can't keep giving Luffy these impossible feats even when he is infinitely weaker than his opponents in the grand scheme of things, and not give Coby something noteworthy on his way to the top, it adds nothing to his character to have him appear here and fail miserably. Playing a role in her defeat is not far fetched.
I'm seeing claims of him taking on a YC3 and I know a lot of users have her around there, so the outcry does have a lot to do with people believing in this untouchable status for Hancock which she hasn't shown. Coby beating her in a fair 1v1 is a non issue, it's not happening. But a win for Coby is within reach through some means, as long as the plot is on his side.
Yes Coby is being overestimated, but regardless a 1v1 is not the real debate here. Can Coby play a role in her defeat? Absolutely, pre gears Luffy took down a Schibukai. It's time Coby adds something on his resume if Oda wants us as readers to take him seriously.
You can't keep giving Luffy these impossible feats even when he is infinitely weaker than his opponents in the grand scheme of things, and not give Coby something noteworthy on his way to the top, it adds nothing to his character to have him appear here and fail miserably. Playing a role in her defeat is not far fetched.
I'm seeing claims of him taking on a YC3 and I know a lot of users have her around there, so the outcry does have a lot to do with people believing in this untouchable status for Hancock which she hasn't shown. Coby beating her in a fair 1v1 is a non issue, it's not happening. But a win for Coby is within reach through some means, as long as the plot is on his side.
Coby has advanced observation haki, masters rokushiki, has marine medals under his belt and is known as the hero of the rocky port incident
And do you know who was the mastermind of that incident? Law
He was a captain a few weeks ago, but now a rear admiral. He is also part of the SWORD with Drake directly reporting to him, with the dream of becoming an admiral
So i view this moment against Hancock as a step forward in Coby's evolution and dream
With that said, i don't think Coby could defeat her on her own now, but he can certainly play a part, especially since i believe Hancock herself isn't as strong as people hyped her to be(people used to think she was Doffy level or higher when Aokiji implied Doffy was above her).
I think she is around as strong as Law and at this stage, Coby should be able to be a factor against this level of opponent
And do you know who was the mastermind of that incident? Law
He was a captain a few weeks ago, but now a rear admiral. He is also part of the SWORD with Drake directly reporting to him, with the dream of becoming an admiral
So i view this moment against Hancock as a step forward in Coby's evolution and dream
With that said, i don't think Coby could defeat her on her own now, but he can certainly play a part, especially since i believe Hancock herself isn't as strong as people hyped her to be(people used to think she was Doffy level or higher when Aokiji implied Doffy was above her).
I think she is around as strong as Law and at this stage, Coby should be able to be a factor against this level of opponent
When your claim is "problem is putting hancock on a pedestal", and i deny that statement, its the actual opposite.
That was the debate though, coby beating hancock by himself. And like i said, give him SSG, he will play a role in it, but the main factor is not him.
Which is once again besides the point.
First off, the dude already has a famous name, a name someone like Kyros, who certainly had other problems than following the news seriously, instantly knew as a hero. So dude already has a lot on his belt, heck i doubt anybody rose through the ranks that quickly.
Second, being a part and a factor is completely different than being the main factor, which some people, including OP, claimed.
Which once again is irrelevant, if we agree that she is out of reach for him in a straightforward fight, whixh some people absolutely denied.
Once again reminder, aokijis statement had nothing to do with strength, neither as compliment for dd, nor hancock somehow.
That was the debate though, coby beating hancock by himself. And like i said, give him SSG, he will play a role in it, but the main factor is not him.
Which is once again besides the point.
First off, the dude already has a famous name, a name someone like Kyros, who certainly had other problems than following the news seriously, instantly knew as a hero. So dude already has a lot on his belt, heck i doubt anybody rose through the ranks that quickly.
Second, being a part and a factor is completely different than being the main factor, which some people, including OP, claimed.
Which once again is irrelevant, if we agree that she is out of reach for him in a straightforward fight, whixh some people absolutely denied.
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Coby has advanced observation haki, masters rokushiki, has marine medals under his belt and is known as the hero of the rocky port incident
And do you know who was the mastermind of that incident? Law
He was a captain a few weeks ago, but now a rear admiral. He is also part of the SWORD with Drake directly reporting to him, with the dream of becoming an admiral
So i view this moment against Hancock as a step forward in Coby's evolution and dream
With that said, i don't think Coby could defeat her on her own now, but he can certainly play a part, especially since i believe Hancock herself isn't as strong as people hyped her to be(people used to think she was Doffy level or higher when Aokiji implied Doffy was above her).
I think she is around as strong as Law and at this stage, Coby should be able to be a factor against this level of opponent
And do you know who was the mastermind of that incident? Law
He was a captain a few weeks ago, but now a rear admiral. He is also part of the SWORD with Drake directly reporting to him, with the dream of becoming an admiral
So i view this moment against Hancock as a step forward in Coby's evolution and dream
With that said, i don't think Coby could defeat her on her own now, but he can certainly play a part, especially since i believe Hancock herself isn't as strong as people hyped her to be(people used to think she was Doffy level or higher when Aokiji implied Doffy was above her).
I think she is around as strong as Law and at this stage, Coby should be able to be a factor against this level of opponent
Why are you acting like you know how strong coby was coming out of the timeskip when he has literally only had 2 panels of screen time the entirety of the post timeskip.
There is nothing that suggests that Coby couldn't be strong enough to take out Hancock post timeskip. Literally fucking nothing. Why? because like I said, he only made his appearance 60 chapters ago.
Does this mean that
There's just too much important shit happening right now for the marines to have to send an admiral to deal with a third rate shichibukai like Hancock.
something is going on in alabasta
Sabo, who is probably captured, needs to be taken to impel down
The marines are going after Mihawk
Kaido and Big Mom have formed an alliance
When all of this is happening, why send an admiral to deal with Hancock? Both of her strongest fighters got beat by pre-skip Luffy. She isn't anything special.
Look at what caesar's weapon did to the minks. SSG weapons+Coby & Helmeppo are more than enough
There is nothing that suggests that Coby couldn't be strong enough to take out Hancock post timeskip. Literally fucking nothing. Why? because like I said, he only made his appearance 60 chapters ago.
Does this mean that
I just said it's a possibility. That's why i added this
But yes you're right that in calm belt there is no wind. Momonga was also travelling with the sails down while on calm belt
Also the navy usually cross calm belt to reach grandline anyway, so may not mean that much
But i just felt it was important to note
But yes you're right that in calm belt there is no wind. Momonga was also travelling with the sails down while on calm belt
Also the navy usually cross calm belt to reach grandline anyway, so may not mean that much
But i just felt it was important to note
something is going on in alabasta
Sabo, who is probably captured, needs to be taken to impel down
The marines are going after Mihawk
Kaido and Big Mom have formed an alliance
When all of this is happening, why send an admiral to deal with Hancock? Both of her strongest fighters got beat by pre-skip Luffy. She isn't anything special.
Look at what caesar's weapon did to the minks. SSG weapons+Coby & Helmeppo are more than enough
Honestly Coby won't be Luffy's lvl at EOS. He can give challenge, but given how he is, he won't be next Garp at all. He more next Aokiji if anything given his Admiral dream.
The one to truly give it to Luffy back to back would be Smoker who is similar to Garp more in personality and fighting style when without his weapon. They have frenenemy relationship down and shaping to be him to be next FA given he is the first shown to truly denied acting by Government ways and want Moral Justice overall.
EOS Top 5 for OP will be:
1. Luffy
2. Kidd
3. Law
4. Smoker
5. Blackbeard (If he lives).
Coby will be probably in lower of Top 10 or higher of Top 15 or 20 going by how Oda working the character dynamics and scaling.
The one to truly give it to Luffy back to back would be Smoker who is similar to Garp more in personality and fighting style when without his weapon. They have frenenemy relationship down and shaping to be him to be next FA given he is the first shown to truly denied acting by Government ways and want Moral Justice overall.
EOS Top 5 for OP will be:
1. Luffy
2. Kidd
3. Law
4. Smoker
5. Blackbeard (If he lives).
Coby will be probably in lower of Top 10 or higher of Top 15 or 20 going by how Oda working the character dynamics and scaling.
You think Smoker is going to be stronger than Zoro EoS?
anyways Coby's power level aside, given Oda's statement and the fact that a raid on Amazon lily was foreshadowed as far back as the Amazon lily arc, I think its pretty likely the marines will capture Hancock. Given that Coby has been the only marine of merit shown on this mission as well as the fact that he is one of the most significant marines plot wise and has yet to do anything major post skip, I think he will be at least indirectly responsible for Hancock's capture, allowing him to become a vice admiral, like Garp.
I think this is all building up to a mariejois arc/ New Marineford arc. Luffy will have to team up with Dragon in order to save Hancock, Coby, and Vivi. I think we'll see a bunch of cool stuff. Mainly, what I am looking forward to:
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anyways Coby's power level aside, given Oda's statement and the fact that a raid on Amazon lily was foreshadowed as far back as the Amazon lily arc, I think its pretty likely the marines will capture Hancock. Given that Coby has been the only marine of merit shown on this mission as well as the fact that he is one of the most significant marines plot wise and has yet to do anything major post skip, I think he will be at least indirectly responsible for Hancock's capture, allowing him to become a vice admiral, like Garp.
I think this is all building up to a mariejois arc/ New Marineford arc. Luffy will have to team up with Dragon in order to save Hancock, Coby, and Vivi. I think we'll see a bunch of cool stuff. Mainly, what I am looking forward to:
- Monkey D Family reunion(luffy meets dragon, dragon meets garp)
- Garp betraying the celestial dragons and possibly dying
- Ryokugyo reveal
- Smoker vs Luffy rematch(since Smo was headed to vegapunk's lab, I think its very likely he got a science power up)
- Luffy vs akainu rematch
- Zoro vs Fujitora rematch
- Garp and Sengoku going all out
- more stuff about IM
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