Speculations Were Sanji and Marco no match for King and Queen?

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#62
I don’t think that Marco would be lying on the ground for any great length of time just letting Sanji get battered around by two Calamities. He got up quick enough when Zoro was in danger.
another valid point.
if marco is getting up that soon to save zoro he would do it for sanji if he was getting battered as well.

if queen and king really ganged up on sanji, you'd expect them to kill him fully before moving on. a healing zoro wouldnt take priority over sanji.
 
#63
again that is indicative of nothing.
the translation is simply, "fighting the two of them is hard"
when you put it in the context where the samurai/fodder are asking for help, it really does seem like he's describing his opponents in that 2v1 he's about to undertake.

it can also mean what you are implying.

all im saying is that part is left ambiguous and it isnt clear.
its indicative of the after math of his endeavor fighting against king and queen thats why he exclaims CRAP..

and all im saying this is how even Kid states that fighting both at the same time IS like hell.. which we know they did fight both of em and come to that conclusion
 
#64
Judging by the latest chapter, both sanji and marco were down temporarily against king/queen.
If Zoro doesn't intervene, would Sanji and Marco eventually get KO by King and Queen?
Wano citizens had to be bailed out from the Magister by Daddy Woro. :bamathink:

Hiyori and Otoko had to be bailed out from Killer by Daddy Woro. :denzimote:

Otoko had to be bailed out from Oniwabanshu by Daddy Woro. :hope:

Everyone in the alliance had to be bailed out from Queen, Apoo and the Ice Oni virus by Daddy Woro. :hohoho:

Luffy had to be bailed out from Kaido and Big Mom by Daddy Woro. :leohah:

Luffy, Law, Killer, and Kidd had to be bailed out from Hakai by Daddy Woro. :youcraz:

Marco and Cook had to be bailed out from King & Queen by Daddy Woro. :kobeha:

I see a pattern here. :arnoling:
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#65
Kuso is Sanji’s catch phrase is it not? He’s always saying it
its a pretty common word. its like us saying fuck, damn, crap out of frustation. its not just for sanji IMO.
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its indicative of the after math of his endeavor fighting against king and queen thats why he exclaims CRAP..
no. that is not the only scenario possible.
he could also be like "fuck fighting the two of them is hard" since he has to fight two of them to prevent them from incinerating every living soul on the live floor.

and all im saying this is how even Kid states that fighting both at the same time IS like hell.. which we know they did fight both of em and come to that conclusion
kid's quote make sense in the context because we were shown panels of them fighting the two yonkos together.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#68
he could also be like "fuck fighting the two of them is hard" since he has to fight two of them to prevent them from incinerating every living soul on the live floor.
this makes more sense because sanji asks chopper to leave, much like when he asks the strawhats to leave when he took on doflamingo.
this also makes sense because the samurai/fodder were begging for someone to stop the two calamities from burning everything down.
 
#69
he tells chopper to run because he knows that the fight is disadvantageous. he knows that taking 2v1 is tough which is why he tells that to chopper.


he approached king to protect zoro, chopper, mink. this isnt indicative of anything.
again thats indictive of him taking both king and queen on together individually or not first queen then he approaches king.. if he was fighting Queen with marco fighitng king .. he wouldn't have approached them.. but since marco is ALREADy at his limits he's taking both on while king hunts for zoro
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#70
Yeah, but I think Sanji uses it all the time for everything, like calls Zeff shitty cook, calls Zoro shitty Marimo, said to Crocodile he was speaking to the shitty resteraunt, so on.
even zoro uses it when he calls sanji a shitty cook. its a pretty common word.
its like saying fuck out of frustation ~ you cant call that a habit of anybody specific when a lot of people use it.
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again thats indictive of him taking both king and queen on together individually or not first queen then he approaches king
no its not like sanji does not know their strength at all before this scene.

sanji clashed with king 1v1 when saving momo. he clashed with queen now.
he knows both their strengths. he said fighting both of them together is tough. that's all.

he never said or meant anything of the sort that he fought the two together before.
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all im saying is we dont have any conclusive proof that sanji fought the calamities 2v1. all he says is fighting them together is a tough task.
 
#71
its a pretty common word. its like us saying fuck, damn, crap out of frustation. its not just for sanji IMO.
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no. that is not the only scenario possible.
he could also be like "fuck fighting the two of them is hard" since he has to fight two of them to prevent them from incinerating every living soul on the live floor.


kid's quote make sense in the context because we were shown panels of them fighting the two yonkos together.
just coz its common which is btw an irrelevant piece of information doens't mean its null factor.. you're not taking the context it was said in ... "fuck fight the two of them " also means that he was fighting tthem initially before exclaiming how hard it is but that cuss word
the whole sentence is in present tense it doesn't allude to a future sentence like you claim "he has to fight both" that is wrong ISS means now saying he HAS to is a potential scenario which disagrees with the tense used in the dialoge

the whole point of kuso is to highlight that he fought them already to fliping cuss in the first place .. it wouldn't make sense for him to cuss and refer to a potential situation fighting the 2
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even zoro uses it when he calls sanji a shitty cook. its a pretty common word.
its like saying fuck out of frustation ~ you cant call that a habit of anybody specific when a lot of people use it.
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no its not like sanji does not know their strength at all before this scene.

sanji clashed with king 1v1 when saving momo. he clashed with queen now.
he knows both their strengths. he said fighting both of them together is tough. that's all.

he never said or meant anything of the sort that he fought the two together before.
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all im saying is we dont have any conclusive proof that sanji fought the calamities 2v1. all he says is fighting them together is a tough task.
he literally says " fighting the 2 together is kinda tough" is = present tense not a hypothetical situation
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#75
just coz its common which is btw an irrelevant piece of information doens't mean its null factor.. you're not taking the context it was said in ... "fuck fight the two of them " also means that he was fighting tthem initially before exclaiming how hard it is but that cuss word
the whole sentence is in present tense it doesn't allude to a future sentence like you claim "he has to fight both" that is wrong ISS means now saying he HAS to is a potential scenario which disagrees with the tense used in the dialoge
firstly, in an entire chapter dedicated to hyping up the calamities, dont you think the "fighting the two together is kinda tough" is used to hype up the calamities when sanji is going to fight them in a 2v1 now?

secondly, you're scenario isnt present tense at all. it's past tense.
queen and king have moved on from sanji and marco respectively and are incinerating the entire live floor.
your scenario would make sense if sanji says something like "fighting the two together was tough".

meanwhile the present now is sanji fighting/stalling the two of them to save zoro, chopper and the other samurai ~ to which he tells chopper to escape.

the whole point of kuso is to highlight that he fought them already to fliping cuss in the first place .. it wouldn't make sense for him to cuss and refer to a potential situation fighting the 2
the kuso you're talking about literally refers to nothing. the alliance is in a pinch and sanji uses a cussword apt for that pinch.
 
#76
this alone is not conclusive proof.

chopper can also say that fighting two yonko commanders at the same time is hard.
kid also said that fighting two yonkos at the same time is hard.

that doesnt mean they fought them at the same time. they are just making a statement.
if just follow what ı said.

according to the sanji speech , we can understand that sanji faced both.
based on this speech , marco and sanji clashed calamaties together or sanji clashed calamaties after falling marco.

for me , the possiblity of first is just higher than first. because , they are making one vs one till now.

kid can say because he faced. normal.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#78
French translation did that's exactly my point
i cant speak/read french. what does the exact line say?
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for me , the possiblity of first is just higher than first. because , they are making one vs one till now.
i think what you are saying is that marco and sanji clashed with calamities. and that possibility is higher than sanji alone fighting the two together. right?

im asking because i didnt understand the bold part clearly.
 
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