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i had a theory written out on reddit but i think they deleted it lol. but i think the kanjuro thing is very possible still. kanjuro is above all else obsessed with his role and the idea of completing his role with a dramatic death. its almost a microcosm of kaido. and where kaido beheaded orochi for getting in the way of his own plans, in the "two side of the same coin" thing oda likes doing, orochi got kanjuro "beheaded" by getting in the way of his plans.
kanjuro has some dialogue in these scenes that give me the impression he resents orochi for not holding up his end of the deal. remember, kanjuro was meant to die alongside the scabbards, and never reveal his identity. this twist of kanjuro being the traitor was supposed to be his secret he took to the grave, because his "perfect" role was playing the scabbards' friends. His role's perfection, in his mind, depended on dying together with the scabbards, with none of them ever finding out what the real story was. But Orochi ruined that for his own selfish reasons, and sacrificed the story because he wanted to see Momonosuke die in person.
"I could have kept [...] true to my role to the very end, but lord orochi stopped me"
Kanjuro is careful to say that he doesn't actually hate the scabbards. He "Shared joys and sorrows" with them, "hating none of them", and "meaning them no harm." He is just fulfilling his role for his director. Maybe his real emotions break through here. He really didnt want to reveal this. For a single panel, Kanjuro is crying as he reveals he's the traitor, but quickly clears his face up to take the villain role.
then in 982 he brings Momo to Orochi, expecting some kind of climactic ending, but only gets this. Orochi barely treats him with any significance, and just waves him off. There's no payoff, no curtain call, he's just some guy, at this point it's clear his ending is ruined and his decades of acting have been for nothing. Kanjuro fades into the background as everyone starts to ignore him and focus on other things.
After the fight at the rear entrance of Onigashima, Kin'emon lays his straw hat on Kanjuro's body, and he reminisces about the good times together. Rather than splitting the Scabbards apart or stopping them, Kanjuro's loss brought them closer than ever, and more dedicated to their goals than before. And we know now that was a fakeout. Kanjuro survived, and Kiku blamed herself, but what if it really is just ink armor and he wasn't cut deep enough?
The ink blob kanjuro, too, is significantly smaller than the "real" kanjuro. Kanjuro is like the size of Franky. He's a huge dude, one of the larger Azakaya members. But here he's smaller than Orochi, almost the side of a normal person like Semimaru and Higurashi.
So, I think it's impossible to know his real motivations right now. Kanjuro with the Oden thing is clearly flailing around trying to find more and more dramatic twists and turns because his actual role's ending was so unsatisfying. If he's still alive even after the bomb, I'm sure he will keep trying new things. Healing the scabbards makes sense because he can't let them die without him, they have to die "together". he was trying to do that as Oden I think but it was seen through
kanjuro has some dialogue in these scenes that give me the impression he resents orochi for not holding up his end of the deal. remember, kanjuro was meant to die alongside the scabbards, and never reveal his identity. this twist of kanjuro being the traitor was supposed to be his secret he took to the grave, because his "perfect" role was playing the scabbards' friends. His role's perfection, in his mind, depended on dying together with the scabbards, with none of them ever finding out what the real story was. But Orochi ruined that for his own selfish reasons, and sacrificed the story because he wanted to see Momonosuke die in person.
"I could have kept [...] true to my role to the very end, but lord orochi stopped me"
Kanjuro is careful to say that he doesn't actually hate the scabbards. He "Shared joys and sorrows" with them, "hating none of them", and "meaning them no harm." He is just fulfilling his role for his director. Maybe his real emotions break through here. He really didnt want to reveal this. For a single panel, Kanjuro is crying as he reveals he's the traitor, but quickly clears his face up to take the villain role.
then in 982 he brings Momo to Orochi, expecting some kind of climactic ending, but only gets this. Orochi barely treats him with any significance, and just waves him off. There's no payoff, no curtain call, he's just some guy, at this point it's clear his ending is ruined and his decades of acting have been for nothing. Kanjuro fades into the background as everyone starts to ignore him and focus on other things.
After the fight at the rear entrance of Onigashima, Kin'emon lays his straw hat on Kanjuro's body, and he reminisces about the good times together. Rather than splitting the Scabbards apart or stopping them, Kanjuro's loss brought them closer than ever, and more dedicated to their goals than before. And we know now that was a fakeout. Kanjuro survived, and Kiku blamed herself, but what if it really is just ink armor and he wasn't cut deep enough?
The ink blob kanjuro, too, is significantly smaller than the "real" kanjuro. Kanjuro is like the size of Franky. He's a huge dude, one of the larger Azakaya members. But here he's smaller than Orochi, almost the side of a normal person like Semimaru and Higurashi.
So, I think it's impossible to know his real motivations right now. Kanjuro with the Oden thing is clearly flailing around trying to find more and more dramatic twists and turns because his actual role's ending was so unsatisfying. If he's still alive even after the bomb, I'm sure he will keep trying new things. Healing the scabbards makes sense because he can't let them die without him, they have to die "together". he was trying to do that as Oden I think but it was seen through
both toki and hiyori have one of those hanging down on each side, but this person only has it on one. just like this
How many Ls you gon catch Dog?
